News: Cowboys are releasing Orton

[KJJ]

Weeden's turnover woes pale in comparison to Eli Manning, whose Super Bowl rings constantly let him off the hook. 51 quarterbacks started a game in 2013, and Eli's passer rating placed him 43rd- behind Weeden's 42nd spot. The difference, of course, is Weeden has 20 games' experience to Eli's ten years. (For the record, Tony Romo placed 8th in 2013).

Getting back to the matter at hand, Weeden's career can still be salvaged. Orton is who is he is at this point.

It's best not to mention Weeden in the same sentence with a QB who has 2 SB wins including 2 SB MVP awards. Weeden will be 31 in Oct he'll never amount to anything more than a serviceable backup.

 

[Vinnie2u]

If we're headed for another 8-8, I rather Tank for Bryce Petty....

 

[Stash]

Re Rat: that's silly. He behaved really poorly and the team is pursuing legal recourse that might well end up very expensive for him. We just have to wait and see. You don't have the data you need yet to know whether he got away with anything.

I think what is "silly" is assuming that the Cowboys - who mishandled the Ratliff situation to embarrassing degrees -will somehow now recoup money from a player they cut months ago.

The data I do gave shows that Ratliff has gotten away with it. And that's fact until it changes.

 

[Idgit]

The data I do gave shows that Ratliff has gotten away with it. And that's fact until it changes.

The data you have is incomplete on the topic. And it isn't a fact that he's gotten away with anything, regardless of whether or not anything changes.

 

[Bluestang]

It's silly to believe that the Boys are going to recover money from Ratliff at this point. I believe Mickey Spagnola has already addressed on a previous show that the legal action didn't hold up.

I could be wrong but not hearing anything at all at this point and now they just released Orton under similar circumstances this pretty much says they've moved on.

 

[Stash]

The data you have is incomplete on the topic. And it isn't a fact that he's gotten away with anything, regardless of whether or not anything changes.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about it.

To this point, the facts say that he stole money from the Cowboys while faking an injury and to date has gotten away with it.

 

[Idgit]

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about it.

To this point, the facts say that he stole money from the Cowboys while faking an injury and to date has gotten away with it.

I'll tell myself that because I know what the phrase "has gotten away with it" means.

Much the same way I don't believe people awaiting criminal prosecution have "gotten away with" anything just because the results of their prosecutions aren't yet known.

This isn't really a matter of interpretation, stash. Words do have actual meanings.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I don't expect much back on Rat, either. But at least they're trying to get it. I hope they get something. At lest they're trying to hold him accountable.

On top of everything else, there's the bad-mouthing of the organization Rat apparently did to Melton when they overlapped in CHI last season. The guy hurt his own team on purpose, then tried to damage us again when he was no longer a Cowboy. He deserves whatever negative consequences he gets.

Yea, Rat obviously got pissed with Jerry after their confrontation in the lockerroom.

 

[Beast_from_East]

So, there's an empty spot on the roster, and no speculation in this thread who gets it that I have seen. So I wills tart the ball rolling and maybe heads exploding.

Josh Brent.

If the team wants a media circus, they should have drafted Johnny Football.

The media went crazy when he was on the sideline, I can just imagine the media storm if he was actually suiting up.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Haven't read all 10 pages, so maybe it was mentioned, ... but why does Orton NOT want to play in Dallas now when he did just a year ago?

The word going around is that he does not want to play in the NFL anymore................for anybody............he just didn't want to pay back $3 million and the Cowboys blinked.

By releasing him, the team has no legal recorse to go after his signing bonus, we apparently told Orton to just keep the money. Have not heard a reason why, maybe Jerry was feeling chariatable.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Then you lose a roster spot to someone who doesn't want to play and have to deal with the media circus surrounding this issue instead of concentrating on football in camp. I don't like the fact that he didn't honor to the terms of his contract, but I can see why the FO would just want to get past this and think its the right move.

Good point..............how do you make a player watch film, lift weights, stay in shape, eat right, ect.........

You can force a player to "physically" be on the team, but you cannot force a player to "mentally" be on the team.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I know all about false negative tests. What gets me with his situation, was that he was away from the team, seeing his own docs, and not communicating very well with the team. All season, he and his agent kept saying "He can't play." "He can't play." "His injury is more severe than the team thinks it is." "He might not be able to play until next season." Then he gets released, and one week later he's cleared to play, and within a couple weeks after that, he's practicing with another team. That just stinks.

I am with you bro, I think he was faking the entire thing because he got pissed Jerry called him out in the lockerroom.

However, when it comes to legal matters, it doesn't matter what you know or what you think, the only thing that matters is what you can prove.

Now if his doctors were giving false information to the team, then that is another matter. But if its just a he said, she said situation it is going to be hard to prove he was faking.

At least we are trying to get something back, run up his legal expenses if nothing else............attorneys are not cheap as I am sure everybody knows.............LOL

 

[Stash]

I'll tell myself that because I know what the phrase "has gotten away with it" means.

Much the same way I don't believe people awaiting criminal prosecution have "gotten away with" anything just because the results of their prosecutions aren't yet known.

This isn't really a matter of interpretation, stash. Words do have actual meanings.

You're right, it's not open to interpretation. There's nothing indicating Ratliff is going to pay anything back or face any discipline.

Unless you would care to prove otherwise.

 

[CCBoy]

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about it.

To this point, the facts say that he stole money from the Cowboys while faking an injury and to date has gotten away with it.

 

[CCBoy]

Integrity is an area where a person may get away with filling his own bank account while others who are supporting his income are flounderin in an extremely tough economy, and don't care...but that same person can't escape the label of lack of real integrity. Excuses just don't remove this stigma. And there is no hiding from that...lol, even a criminal has protections of rights. But bad taste is always exposed, whether that gets drama and laughter is another story.

 

[Idgit]

You're right, it's not open to interpretation. There's nothing indicating Ratliff is going to pay anything back or face any discipline.

Unless you would care to prove otherwise.

We're going in circles. I'm letting it drop because it's sufficiently obvious what's going on here.

You can pretend you don't see the obvious consequences of his actions if you prefer it that way. For my part, I'm happy to wait and see how it actually turns out.

 

[visionary]

The word going around is that he does not want to play in the NFL anymore................for anybody............he just didn't want to pay back $3 million and the Cowboys blinked.

By releasing him, the team has no legal recorse to go after his signing bonus, we apparently told Orton to just keep the money. Have not heard a reason why, maybe Jerry was feeling chariatable.

It is actually not difficult to explain/understand

What do rich people do when they want "acceptance" in an area they have no competence in? They throw money at it so no one will question their competence

Jerry overpays and wants to be everyone's favorite uncle because everyone knows he is a football idiot and has no business making football decisions but he does not want ex cowboy players saying this

No players say that Jerry is a great football mind or knows how to build a team, they say that he is great to play for

That is why it is a very bad idea for the owner to be the GM

 

[Stash]

I guess insults in pictures slide by?

Good to know.

 

[Stash]

We're going in circles. I'm letting it drop because it's sufficiently obvious what's going on here.

You can pretend you don't see the obvious consequences of his actions if you prefer it that way. For my part, I'm happy to wait and see how it actually turns out.

Fair enough.

If the facts of the situation ever do change, I encourage you to tell me so and I welcome any and all "I told you so's" I will have coming my way.

 

[CCBoy]

I guess insults in pictures slide by?

Good to know.

That's not an insult, the high light was a pacifier...kind of like a wins only view. (humor, can be known as well, but attitude brought a potential conversation to this point)

But just this position has been taken for a while now...so, once it is definitive, say in a year or two...let's just disagree and then declare a verdict, then as to merit.

As to manner presented, it also didn't imply an endless run upon the reference....you implied in actual words.
(coughing)