Cowboys better off trading down and picking up an extra O-Linemen?

[Tommy-the-Greek]

Do you believe the Cowboys would be better off trading down and picking up an extra 1st day pick?
I realize it's the old question do you pick the best available talent at 18 or do you take a chance and make a stretch pick at a team need?

I just believe that trading down gets them an extra "O" lineman pick that may turn out to be a starter or at the very least gives them some much needed depth in an area of need until they can groom the guy to be a starter.

What do you think?

 

[Gryphon]

with our first three picks

foxsports says we will pick 3 linemen

http://blogs.foxsports.com/patmoran2006/2006/01/30/Real_Deal_The_NFL_3Round_Mock_Draft

NOOO way that happens

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Do you believe the Cowboys would be better off trading down and picking up an extra 1st day pick?
I realize it's the old question do you pick the best available talent at 18 or do you take a chance and make a stretch pick at a team need?

I just believe that trading down gets them an extra "O" lineman pick that may turn out to be a starter or at the very least gives them some much needed depth in an area of need until they can groom the guy to be a starter.

What do you think?

I think if Carpenter is there at #18... he's ours.

If not I think we trade down. The closer we get to the draft the less impressed I am with the available 1st round talent offensive line talent outside of Ferguson. There is no other o-lineman I would take at #18.

 

[Jay9508]

i think the cowboys would go defense in the first round

 

[AbeBeta]

Honestly, if the draft falls like all the mocks have it then I don't really see anyone caring to move up.

Unless Cutler or White falls to us, I can't see anyone wanting our pick.

Maybe the combine will change things but the 17-26 guys all look pretty similar quality-wise to me.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I think they will trade down to say 20th to 24th pick,take either Marcus McNeil or Bobby Carpenter. Carpenter was hurt this year, so his stock will be down some. The patriots were interested in McNeil so he will probably go to them about 21st. That would leave us with either taking Carpenter or Manny Lawson, I think Parcells wants to finish his defense.
First, logical choice would seem to be a linebacker. Carpenter fits that bill, with Dat retiring, that leaves a hole at linebacker. As you know in the 3-4 you will need at least 7-8 linebackers to make the 3-4 defense work. If they dont take Carpenter then, I would say its Manny Lawson if he is still there. I am sure you all saw what happened to our defense when Dat went down, and Singleton, our defense suffered. Then, to add insult to injury, Parcells stopped playing Ellis and Glover, our young defense really suffered then, but it will at same time pay off dividends, because just like in 2004, when we played young defensive players, linebacker Fowler, James and Shane, at end of 2004 our defense was getting tourched, but valuable experience was gained.
Now with young Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Ratliff, (I am sure you noticed after he got hurt and put on injured reserve, our QB pressure disappeared mostly), Coleman, Johnson NT, 2nd line of defense-Shane, Fowler, Demarcus Ware, Fujita, Bradie James, 3rd line of defense-Roy Willliams, Terrance Newman-I think he finally is going to go all pro with experience, Keith Davis, Willie Pile, Anthony Henry-have still high hopes for him, Jacquee Reeves-even Parcells said some of his problem may have been his eye sigh, corrective by off season laser surgery, and Justin Beireaut, we have a young defense.
What do we need for our young defense to be a nasty dominant defense------------an impact linebacker rusher to offset Ware, free safety and big young nasty nose tackle whom maybe already on team if he is grown up-Willie Blade. Yeah, I know all you say, he is no good, but got to remember in 2003, even Darren Woodson said "reason why we were #1 defense was because of Blade occupying center and guard". If Blade has finally grown up, realizes he has to work in offseason, get in shape to have a career in football to be the best, then ok, if not, get another young NT. Just a few thoughts of mine, in 2nd round and 3rd we can work on offense. By trading down from 18th to 20th to 24th pick we can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder. And I think we are going to trade LeGlover too, that should bring another 2nd or 3rd rounder, then look out Super Bowl here we come.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I think if Carpenter is there at #18... he's ours.

If not I think we trade down. The closer we get to the draft the less impressed I am with the available 1st round talent offensive line talent outside of Ferguson. There is no other o-lineman I would take at #18.

I must concur..LB sounds great to me!!

 

[AbeBeta]

I think they will trade down to say 20th to 24th pick,take either Marcus McNeil or Bobby Carpenter.

That's all fine and good but why would someone trade with us? The will get the same quality of player at 20 or 24 than they will at 18 -- without giving up picks.

Unless we are trading back deep into round 1 or early in round 2 I can't see a trade back happening. Even if a guy like Cutler fell, the only team behind us with any interest would be TB.

 

[dragon_mikal]

The Cowboys will not take an offensive lineman in the 1st round.

Simple as that.

I'd rather pick up another defensive player, like a FS or LB...or maybe even a young, talented WR.

 

[Eskimo]

If an impact defender for our scheme is there at #18, that should be the pick. I am not convinced that the top LBs at that slot are worth the pick (Lawson, Carpenter). I would be happy to trade down 10 or so spots and pick up an extra first day pick to invest in the OL given that was our major weakness last year and we are saddled with great age in the starting lineup. We just need to start hitting on some of our picks.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Not necessarily, I think guys that will have value and be there from 18th pick to about the 24th pick, every year someone makes a trade in lower 1st round, remember when we traded our number 1 to buffalo, or when washington traded away their future number one in 2006 to draft a QB last year? Denver has been known to trade, for example. Some teams in lower rounds know as head coaches their security maybe waining, so they might trade if a player they love is still there sitting from around 20th to 24th pick.
* Michael Huff (top safety in this draft and a kid from Ohio St is just as good reports are) DB 6-1, 205 Texas
* Chad Greenway LB 6-2, 242 Iowa
* *Laurence Maroney (I think he will be gone) RB 5-11, 205 Minnesota
* *Santonio Holmes WR 5-11, 205 Ohio State
* DeMeco Ryans LB 6-1, 229 Alabama
* Tye Hill CB 5-9, 183 Clemson
* *Ernie Sims LB 6-1, 235 Florida State
* Jimmy Williams CB 6-2, 205 Virginia Tech
* *Ashton Youboty CB 6-1, 190 Ohio State
* *Winston Justice (offseason personal problems) OT 6-5, 300 Southern California (O)
* Marcedes Lewis (Super TE) TE 6-6, 255 UCLA
* Gabe Watson (doesnt play to his skills, but second best NT)) DT 6-3, 341 Michigan
* *Leonard Pope ( Super TE) TE 6-7, 250 Georgia
* Manny Lawson (maybe a young Ware) DE 6-5, 240 North Carolina State
* Bobby Carpenter ( He would be higher if not hurt) LB 6-3, 255 Ohio State (X)
* Sinonice Moss (super speed) WR 5-8, 183 Miami
* Mathias Kiwanuka (2 years ago would have been in top 10 picks if he came out in draft) DE 6-5, 262 Boston College
* Eric Winston (2 years ago best player overall) OT 6-6, 302 Miami (X)
* *Ko Simpson FS 6-0, 200 South Carolina
* Marcus McNeill (2 years ago he would have been in top 10 picks-got hurt this year) OT 6-8, 322 Auburn
* Max Jean-Gilles (top offensive guard in draft) OG 6-4, 358 Georgia
* Abdul Hodge LB 6-0, 233 Iowa


* Thomas Howard (pure speed-maybe super safety, runs 4.45 in 40) LB 6-3, 234 UTEP

 

[DBoys]

Cowboys will go LB or FS in 1st round. If Dallas thought it needed another WR they would of kept Price. They will use FA to address OL but will more than likely draft some guys later on.

 

[Juke99]

I'd go "best available" of the LB's, OL, S, DT.

If we had a higher pick, it would be back a better return if we wanted to trade it...but at 18? I'd stay put.

Of course all of this changes when the big day arrives.

It's very possible that someone we covet might drop...and then it might be the smart move to move up...

That's what makes the draft a blast to watch.

 

[BlueThunder]

Whats the price for number 2 over all these days?:cunning:

 

[lspain1]

There will have to be partner for us to move down on draft day. The way things look right now, it is hard to imagine why someone would want to trade up to #18 when there is no clear drop off anywhere around our pick. They could just wait and someone of near equal talent will fall to them. Of course things could change, but I don't see it. We'll stay put and do the BPA thing.

 

[neosapien23]

Why does everyone think that a first round Oline would be a waste? If the BPA is an Olineman you have to make that pick. If the BPA is a linebacker, than that pick should be made.

 

[lspain1]

Why does everyone think that a first round Oline would be a waste? If the BPA is an Olineman you have to make that pick. If the BPA is a linebacker, than that pick should be made.

It has been the Cowboy's strategy not to pick O-linemen in the 1st round because quality picks are available later. Of couse later round picks usually mean develpment is necessary and the percentage of 'non-contributing busts' goes up. The Cowboys have not been great about selecting O-linemen in recent years with a number of 'busts' showing up.

I think the general feeling here (IMO only) is that skill position picks should be made in the 1st round unless an incredible pick falls to us. Ferguson would be an example of such an unlikely pick. I personally would place LB's (particularly 3-4 LB's) to be skill positions along with DB,s and WR's.

While I'm not sold on any particular selection, I've seen a few speculative mock drafts that have Vince Young falling to around our pick. If he is available would you grab him? I think I just might.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I wouldnt mind drafting these offensive tackles in the first round, but to me, you should trade down to 20th to 26th pick or so, pick up that extra 2nd or 3rd rounder too.
2 --McNEIL Marcus - AUB 6- 7.4...332...5.12 -------- 404.73
Seens to bend at the waist to find smaller guys, still effective, Seals well, can pull,
3 --COLLEEDGE Darryn BOISE 6- 3.9...288...5.04 -------- 395.80
RS-01 -Terrific Run blocker- locates, stays low, finishes blocks, aggressive- Moves well- Reminds my of Ron Yary-
4 --JUSTICE Winston USC 6- 6.0...298...4.96 -------- 395.04
Wonderful tackle, excellent protecter, Off the USC Team for 04 Season, when fired up he can be a dominate run blocker.
5 --SCOTT Jonathan TX 6- 6.5...310...5.17 -------- 394.47
Nice Pass blocker- Good field awareness, and size, Smarter, uses hands and body more, finishes,
6 --WINSTON Eric MIAM 6- 6.4...310...5.08 -------- 393.25
Team player, who gets better each game out, Can Drive and pass block at quality levels. -Knee Inj out 04

10 --WHITWORTH Andre LSU