Cowboys CB Orlando Scandrick says he’s ‘as good as they can get’

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Hate to say this stash, but if anything is motivating Scandy, it's the fact that he'll be auditioning for another team all year. With his contract $$ coming up, he's as good as gone after next year. He's now on the wrong side of 30 and can't stay on the field.....

Exactly. I was never worried about him being a distraction or unmotivated because this is not just only a contract year, it's probably his last big contract. No matter what the Cowboys did, say or insinuate, he has to be focused and ball out or he will be low balled in FA.

 

[gimmesix]

Hate to say this stash, but if anything is motivating Scandy, it's the fact that he'll be auditioning for another team all year. With his contract $$ coming up, he's as good as gone after next year. He's now on the wrong side of 30 and can't stay on the field.....

Yeah, I can't see us re-signing him because of his age no matter how he plays. We took aim at the future with the Awusie and Lewis picks, so Scandrick either gets to ride off to another team fully recovered and playing well or limp away to a reserve role at best.

 

[gimmesix]

I hope Scandy makes me look silly, but I doubt he even plays 10 games this year. And the ones he does play in, he'll be playing hurt and will use it as an excuse for poor play. I hope I'm wrong, but his days in Dallas are numbered. I honestly don't think he'll even make it to the regular season healthy.....

He really hasn't had much problem with injury overall, though. He's played in 11 or more games every year but 2015. And the two years before his injury, he played in 16 and started 15 in 2013 and played/started in 14 in 2014 only missing two because of suspension.

Now, he is older and had a serious injury, so it's possible that his body just goes downhill from here, but his history doesn't look bad from an injury standpoint.

 

[Stash]

It's a poor excuse because he missed 2015 and was coming off injury in 2016. The last year he was healthy was 2014, when he was defensive MVP. If he is healthy, do you really expect him to not be closer to that form two years removed from his injury that he was in 2015 and 2016?

I'm not "expecting" a player over 30 to regain his form of 3 years ago. If you do, that's your own decision.

Now, I agree that he has to show that he's back to that form, but I've never said that he doesn't. All I've said is that if he returns to form then he's likely the best starting corner we've got. His body of work before his injury supports that.

I'm not assuming that to be the case for a player over 30 who also had several injuries last season and has a history of missed time. As I said, I hope he returns to form but I'm not counting on it.

 

[Stash]

Let me ask you a couple of simple yes or no questions.

In 2014, was Scandrick one of the better corners in the league, as in among the top 10 to 15?

If he's healthy and returns to that form, should he start?

I don't think he was ever "top 10 to 15". The guy was a slot corner who was good in coverage, but he's never been a playmaker who gets turnovers. Let's not get crazy here.

And he's a slot corner. If you "start" in the nickel? Sure, he could start. But I'm not guaranteeing him that spot at this point either. I'm taking a wait and see approach until it's determined whether he's back to form or he never will be, both of which are possible.

 

[Stash]

So you believe if Romo had not suffered an injury setback that he wouldn't have been any good last year?

If you believe that if Scandrick suffers an injury setback he won't be any good, I'm right there with you. I also would not disagree that he might never return to that 2014 form. We don't know what toll his injury has taken, if any.

All I know is that if he returns to his pre-injury form then he should start because 2014 proved his value in that role.

I'm not dealing with a bunch of "if's", I'm dealing with what is.

 

[Stash]

Hate to say this stash, but if anything is motivating Scandy, it's the fact that he'll be auditioning for another team all year. With his contract $$ coming up, he's as good as gone after next year. He's now on the wrong side of 30 and can't stay on the field.....

Whatever it is, as long as he's motivated and not running his mouth and being a pain in the *** malcontent, I'm fine with it.

I was worried that he'd start being a problem child and I'm glad that so far that's not the case.

 

[Bleu Star]

Jenkins was better, I don't know why he couldn't stay at that 2009 level though.

Hahahah

Jenkins was trash.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Let me ask you a couple of simple yes or no questions.

In 2014, was Scandrick one of the better corners in the league, as in among the top 10 to 15?

If he's healthy and returns to that form, should he start?

Yeah I agree with Stash on the fact that it's a what have you done lately league, but you are right that at least we've seen Scandrick do it. And he did it outside and inside. He's always been a slot guy but when given the chance to play outside - for the two seasons he stayed healthy in 2013 and 2014 - he was legit on the boundary, too. It might be a pipe dream to ever see that guy again, or maybe he could be if he can stay healthy. My biggest concern with the guy is his health issues.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

He really hasn't had much problem with injury overall, though. He's played in 11 or more games every year but 2015. And the two years before his injury, he played in 16 and started 15 in 2013 and played/started in 14 in 2014 only missing two because of suspension.

Now, he is older and had a serious injury, so it's possible that his body just goes downhill from here, but his history doesn't look bad from an injury standpoint.

Before 2013 he was injury prone too. He had two clean years

 

[gimmesix]

Before 2013 he was injury prone too. He had two clean years

He had had only two seasons before his injury in 2015 where he did not play in every game in which he was eligible. That's seven seasons.

Scandrick did more hurting than being hurt.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't think he was ever "top 10 to 15". The guy was a slot corner who was good in coverage, but he's never been a playmaker who gets turnovers. Let's not get crazy here.

And he's a slot corner. If you "start" in the nickel? Sure, he could start. But I'm not guaranteeing him that spot at this point either. I'm taking a wait and see approach until it's determined whether he's back to form or he never will be, both of which are possible.

That tells me all I need to know. If you don't think he was a top 10 to 15 corner in 2014, then you're ignoring the evidence and we're going nowhere with this conversation. He was a starter that year and was one of the best defenders we put on the field.

I agree that he doesn't get turnovers, but there's more to coverage than that. I agree that his best position is the slot and he slides inside when we go to nickel. I also agree that all we can do is take a wait and see approach because none of us knows what he will be this year. I never indicated otherwise, only saying that if he returns to 2014 form then he should start ... unless someone is better, which would be fantastic for our team.

I'll leave this conversation on those agreements because we're not going to see eye to eye on the others.

 

[MRV52]

Never been a fan of his, due to his attitude. Seems he like he has never been one of the guys and has marched to his own tune. If he doesn't shine this year I think he is gone.

 

[yimyammer]

Two-Chip Scanny....

aka "Pringles"

 

[stilltheguru88]

Never been a fan of his, due to his attitude. Seems he like he has never been one of the guys and has marched to his own tune. If he doesn't shine this year I think he is gone.

Attitude towards the media? Do they deserve anything else?

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

He had had only two seasons before his injury in 2015 where he did not play in every game in which he was eligible. That's seven seasons.

Scandrick did more hurting than being hurt.

So other than missing chunks of 2011 and 2012 to injuries he wasn't injury prone. Got it.

 

[gimmesix]

So other than missing chunks of 2011 and 2012 to injuries he wasn't injury prone. Got it.

I don't consider playing in every game in 5 out of 7 seasons injury prone. If you're expecting more than that, you're expecting too much.

Did you consider Barry Church injury prone? He's only played in 16 games in 2 out of 7 seasons. How about our new corner Nolan Carroll? Last year was only the third out of seven seasons that he's played in all 16 games and the first year he's started all 16.

Now, again, we don't know where Scandrick is at this point. He may not be able to stay healthy after his surgery and injuries that came off that last season. He may try to go and simply be finished. But no, he absolutely is not injury prone.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I don't consider playing in every game in 5 out of 7 seasons injury prone. If you're expecting more than that, you're expecting too much.

Did you consider Barry Church injury prone? He's only played in 16 games in 2 out of 7 seasons. How about our new corner Nolan Carroll? Last year was only the third out of seven seasons that he's played in all 16 games and the first year he's started all 16.

Now, again, we don't know where Scandrick is at this point. He may not be able to stay healthy after his surgery and injuries that came off that last season. He may try to go and simply be finished. But no, he absolutely is not injury prone.

But I would consider missing chunks of four of the past six seasons injury prone. To act like one freak knee injury is the totality of his injury issues is misleading.

 

[diefree666]

At his best Scandrick was a top 10 CB in the league. Which is pretty rarified air. Now can he make it back there? He is older but not that old; so physically probably. And now he has even more motivation. So the signs are good.

 

[gimmesix]

But I would consider missing chunks of four of the past six seasons injury prone. To act like one freak knee injury is the totality of his injury issues is misleading.

He missed 2015 after blowing out his knee. He missed part of last season coming off that surgery. He missed no games, other than for suspension, in 2014. He missed no gamea in 2013. I don't see how that establishes an injury-prone history.

Again using Barry Church as an example. He played in all 16 games the same two seasons as Scandrick. The last two seasons he played in 12 and 15. The two seasons prior to his full seasons he played in 3 and 13. Do you consider him injury prone?

The knee injury and recovery from it is the main concern with Scandrick, not the fact that he's missed some games previously with injuries. The totality of his injury history would be a concern to me if he had missed games the past four seasons with injuries because a pattern would be established even before the knee injury. Before his knee injury, he had been a relatively healthy player, playing in 102 of 112 games for which he was eligible.