Cowboys CB Orlando Scandrick says he’s ‘as good as they can get’

[LocimusPrime]

Scandrick says he's the best corner


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[Idgit]

It took Scandrick a while to become the starting-caliber corner he was in 2013 and 2014. I certainly hope the injury and time have not robbed him of the ability to be that player again. If it hasn't, I do believe he'll be our top corner, although if someone outplays him at his best, I'm all for that too.

Some players come back from these injuries like they've never been injured while others never fully recover. If he isn't much improved over last year, he might still be our best slot option until the rookies get a little experience under their belts.

I agree with your assessment in the thread here. The only real question is whether he can return to form or not. But at his age, with his recent injury, I really didn't like that bet. Very glad we got Lewis to handicap that slot CB position. And I'm also glad Scandrick appears to be fired up because that means he's going to be on the warpath. Mo reportedly had some issues with that. We'll find out real quick what these new guys are made of.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Hope the new guys don't suck

 

[tyke1doe]

The thread I made everyone wanted his head on a platter... now everyone seems to like him...

We're a fickled bunch.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

People, whining about stone hands on CBs is dumb. If they could CATCH the ball they would be WRs. Now clearly some are better than others but that is the general rule.

Jourdan Lewis played receiver and cornerback in high school. I saw many of his games. In my opinion, he was a better receiver than cornerback. He has really good hands. Michigan (Brady Hoke at the time) probably put him at corner because of his size, but I believe he would've been a fine receiver at the college and pro levels. He's also a good kick returner.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree with your assessment in the thread here. The only real question is whether he can return to form or not. But at his age, with his recent injury, I really didn't like that bet. Very glad we got Lewis to handicap that slot CB position. And I'm also glad Scandrick appears to be fired up because that means he's going to be on the warpath. Mo reportedly had some issues with that. We'll find out real quick what these new guys are made of.

Both Awusie and Lewis give us some insurance and could even beat out the guys ahead of them in a fair fight.

I'd expect our top three corners to be Scandrick, Carroll and Brown (not necessarily in that order) based on experience, but if one of them drops the ball, I'm glad that we have the rookies to maybe pick it up and run with it.

I can't remember the last time we appeared to be this deep at corner to the point where someone won't be starting simply because of no competition. I guess last year we ended up four-deep thanks to Brown, but Scandrick was coming off his injury and Mo continued to be injury prone (now, there's an example of injury prone) so we really only had three of them available at a time.

I don't see any Leon McFaddens or Ayodeji Olatoyes making this team.

Of course, that could all change in a flash but it will take more than one injury to deplete our depth to the point where we are bringing in players off the street at corner (unless Scandrick is finished and Awusie and Lewis suck).

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Yep. And his one pick per season average proves it!!!

And his one pick per season was still better than Carr{I believe} which tells you just how bad our secondary has been.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

He missed 2015 after blowing out his knee. He missed part of last season coming off that surgery. He missed no games, other than for suspension, in 2014. He missed no gamea in 2013. I don't see how that establishes an injury-prone history.

Again using Barry Church as an example. He played in all 16 games the same two seasons as Scandrick. The last two seasons he played in 12 and 15. The two seasons prior to his full seasons he played in 3 and 13. Do you consider him injury prone?

The knee injury and recovery from it is the main concern with Scandrick, not the fact that he's missed some games previously with injuries. The totality of his injury history would be a concern to me if he had missed games the past four seasons with injuries because a pattern would be established even before the knee injury. Before his knee injury, he had been a relatively healthy player, playing in 102 of 112 games for which he was eligible.

Brandon Carr has missed four games in the past four years and 20 total in the past six years. Scandrick has missed 20 in the past two. Plus eight from 2011-2012. A slight difference.

Going into 2013 he had earned the injury-prone label that he luckily shook after two straight complete seasons. Whether the previous injuries are still impacting him is irrelevant. It's revisionist history to pretend 2011-12 didn't exist. Just like it was revisionist history to say he's only been a nickel guy. Both run contrary to the facts.

 

[gimmesix]

Brandon Carr has missed four games in the past four years and 20 total in the past six years. Scandrick has missed 20 in the past two. Plus eight from 2011-2012. A slight difference.

Going into 2013 he had earned the injury-prone label that he luckily shook after two straight complete seasons. Whether the previous injuries are still impacting him is irrelevant. It's revisionist history to pretend 2011-12 didn't exist. Just like it was revisionist history to say he's only been a nickel guy. Both run contrary to the facts.

Not pretending 2011-12 don't exist, just saying I don't see a player who had started 102 of 112 possible games up until 2015 as injury prone. Even before 2013, he had played in 72 of a possible 80. If that's your definition of injury prone, then it differs from mine. I consider players like Mo Claiborne injury prone. He has never played a complete season and has played in 47 of a possible 80 games.

Brandon Carr is just an iron horse. The one thing he has going for him is that he doesn't get hurt.

 

[gimmesix]

We're a fickled bunch.

Couldn't figure out if you meant fickle or pickled, although pickled would explain a lot of things on here.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Not pretending 2011-12 don't exist, just saying I don't see a player who had started 102 of 112 possible games up until 2015 as injury prone. Even before 2013, he had played in 72 of a possible 80. If that's your definition of injury prone, then it differs from mine. I consider players like Mo Claiborne injury prone. He has never played a complete season and has played in 47 of a possible 80 games.

Brandon Carr is just an iron horse. The one thing he has going for him is that he doesn't get hurt.

Except he didn't actually start all those games. He was a reserve for much of his first few years. Not that that has anything to do with the injury history, just pointing out he played in 102 of 112, not started. Many in a somewhat limited role as a nickel guy. So he was playing 50% of defensive snaps instead of 100%. But that's nitpicking and I don't need to make that part this argument because it would be a stretch.

However, even though he only missed eight games in 2011 and 2012, he was greatly limited in many of the games he did play. In 2011 for example, he had a high ankle sprain early in the year and struggled in most of the games he did play. It wasn't until late in the season he was close to being healthy. Then he had a couple of nagging injuries in 2012 and didn't play up to par because of them (including another ankle sprain if I'm not mistaken). So, yes, after two seasons of multiple injuries that caused him to miss some games and play poorly in others, a player can get an injury-prone label.

He was able to bounce back and produce two injury-free seasons after that and was pretty dang good, as we've both agreed to. I gave him credit for that. But now he's gone two more seasons where injuries were an issue. So it is fair to say the guy has become an injury concern. Especially given the nature of football players and age and him now being in his 30s.

No, he's not Glass Joe Claiborne, but who is? Mo isn't just injury prone, he's an injury waiting to happen.

 

[gimmesix]

Except he didn't actually start all those games. He was a reserve for much of his first few years. Not that that has anything to do with the injury history, just pointing out he played in 102 of 112, not started. Many in a somewhat limited role as a nickel guy. So he was playing 50% of defensive snaps instead of 100%. But that's nitpicking and I don't need to make that part this argument because it would be a stretch.

Yes, I meant to say played in.

 

[gimmesix]

However, even though he only missed eight games in 2011 and 2012, he was greatly limited in many of the games he did play. In 2011 for example, he had a high ankle sprain early in the year and struggled in most of the games he did play. It wasn't until late in the season he was close to being healthy. Then he had a couple of nagging injuries in 2012 and didn't play up to par because of them (including another ankle sprain if I'm not mistaken). So, yes, after two seasons of multiple injuries that caused him to miss some games and play poorly in others, a player can get an injury-prone label.

I don't remember anyone labeling him as injury prone considering he was coming off three seasons in which he was active for every game. Injury prone means that you are highly susceptible to getting hurt, which he had shown that he wasn't.

2011 and 2012 definitely raised questions about whether he was going to have a short career, but then he answered them by stepping in as a starter and not missing any games for two seasons. At 30, coming off major surgery and a couple of related injuries, it's understandable if fans doubt his ability to stay healthy at this point. But it isn't because he's injury prone, it's because of his age and that major surgery's toll on his body.

Maybe you and I just have different definitions of the word.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I don't remember anyone labeling him as injury prone considering he was coming off three seasons in which he was active for every game. Injury prone means that you are highly susceptible to getting hurt, which he had shown that he wasn't.

2011 and 2012 definitely raised questions about whether he was going to have a short career, but then he answered them by stepping in as a starter and not missing any games for two seasons. At 30, coming off major surgery and a couple of related injuries, it's understandable if fans doubt his ability to stay healthy at this point. But it isn't because he's injury prone, it's because of his age and that major surgery's toll on his body.

Maybe you and I just have different definitions of the word.

We've probably beaten this argument to death anyway. I think we both like Scandrick and hope he can stay healthy this year. I'm cautiously optimistic, but he could be as effective as Mo was (when healthy) in 2016. I think the increased competition in the DB room will bring out the best in him if his body will physically allow it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Orlando is the 28th best corner in the league according to PFF...I have him around 35-39

http://cover32.com/2017/02/17/grading-2016-dallas-cowboys-secondary/