Cowboys Draft '09 -- Managing the Vertical and Horizonal Controls

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Cowboys Draft '09 -- Managing the Vertical and Horizonal Controls

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by Rafael C on Apr 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi writes a long and illuminating piece on the deliberations the New York Jets are having with respect to Miles Austin. Lombardi breaks down the two types of ratings every team creates when it puts together a draft board -- horizontal ratings and vertical ones.
Vertical ratings refer to a top-to-bottom listing of players at a particular position. Think of the hubbub last year when a photo showing then defensive coordinator Brian Stewart leaked onto the internet. The photo showed vertical listings of several defensive positions, most notably cornerbacks.
The key to effective drafting, as Lombardi points out, comes from the horizontal listings of these players. Say you have the top ten outside linebackers. Which ones deserve a first round grade? Which ones deserve a second round grade, and so on?
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What's more, within the round, where do those linebackers rank with similarly graded players at other positions? How does that linebacker rank relative to a second round rated guard? Or offensive tackle? Or safety? Or quarterback? Lombardi sees this horizontal ranking ability as the make-or-break skill for an organization:

The key to setting up the draft board lies not in the vertical ranking of the positions but rather having someone who can value the horizontal value of the whole board. That person must have a full command of the board and know, for example, that the need might be at wide receiver but the value is to take the corner. I know most of you feel that line of thinking is a given, but in the draft rooms I’ve been in, this is not always handled very well. Most mistakes come from the horizontal value of the board, not from the vertical ranking.​
Bloggers on this site reacted to Grizz's piece last night by analyzing whether Dallas should match a Jets offer sheet to Austin in mostly vertical terms -- many asked, "is there a wide receiver who can be obtained with the 52nd pick (the pick the Jets would forfeit to Dallas if the Cowboys failed to match a potential offer) who is better than Miles Austin?
Lombardi cautions that the bigger question appears to be "is there a player on the board at the 52nd spot who rates better than Miles Austin?" The fans may feel the wide receiver spot could be weakened but if Dallas can get a player they feel is better than Austin there, even if he happens to be a defensive end, or linebacker, then they are better off letting him go.

I spoke to Dallas scouting director Tom Ciskowski last summer and he explained the way the team self scouts:
Yesterday Jerry Jones told the press that his scouts had completed their preliminary report on the team before heading out onto the road. Today I asked Tom Ciskowski, the Cowboys’ Director of College and Pro Scouting to describe the process.​

He told me that in the initial [training camp] practices each scout is assigned a single position to evaluate. They then produce a unit evaluation, where each unit is ranked from its best player on down. The scouts do not write full reports but offer “one liners” of each player’s game.​

When the Cowboys begin playing opponents, the scouts are sent DVDs of the games, so that they have an understanding of each player’s performance in live action. The reports are used as baselines; when the scouts evaluate college players, they do so in relation to the talent on the roster. “For example, if you’re grading a center and he’s similar to Andre Gurode,” he said, “you would compare him to Gurode.” “You don’t want to bring in players who are not as good or who can’t compete with the talent you already have on your squad.”​
You can see vertical scouting goes on at the college and the pro level. If the scouts have done their work effectively, they have been building vertical lists since last fall which not only rank college prospects relative to one another but relative to the players already on Dallas' roster.
Ciskowski and his guys should know today how many wide receivers waiting to be drafted are better than Miles Austin, or Roy Williams or Patrick Crayton, because they've been making these comparisons all along.
They'll have a firm opinion on whether Miles Austin is worth the 52nd pick in the draft. Their actions -- assuming New York actually gives Austin an offer sheet -- will tell us everything we need to know.
 

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Good article.

Assuming the Jets don't put in a poison pill in Austin's contract (and make him a realistic offer), we'll get a good idea about what Valley Ranch really thinks of Austin's skills.
 

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Yeah, that was a good article.

Here are the players that I think the Cowboys are going to choose from:

Larry English
Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
Duke Robinson

These three (above) guys may be off the board by 51. One of the pass rushers may fall, imo. It may be English. He is the subject of much debate in draft rooms.

Rashad Johnson
Dorell Scott
David Veikune
Chip Vaughn

I'm not sold on Delmas, and I don't think Dallas will take him at 51, imo.

When I think about Miles Austiin's value in round 2, I'm looking at these players. You could get one at 51 and one with the Jets pick.

The problem is this. You will not find another WR like Austin in the draft, imo. You could help your defense but hurt your offense.

Another thing to consider is this. Can the Cowboys afford Austin in 2010? Someone is always willing to over pay. His value may never be higher.
 

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41gy#;2722889 said:
Yeah, that was a good article.

Here are the players that I think the Cowboys are going to choose from:

Larry English
Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
Duke Robinson

These three (above) guys may be off the board by 51. One of the pass rushers may fall, imo. It may be English. He is the subject of much debate in draft rooms.

Rashad Johnson
Dorell Scott
David Veikune
Chip Vaughn

I'm not sold on Delmas, and I don't think Dallas will take him at 51, imo.

When I think about Miles Austiin's value in round 2, I'm looking at these players. You could get one at 51 and one with the Jets pick.

The problem is this. You will not find another WR like Austin in the draft, imo. You could help your defense but hurt your offense.

Another thing to consider is this. Can the Cowboys afford Austin in 2010? Someone is always willing to over pay. His value may never be higher.

Personally, I really hope the Jets make Austin an offer.

If JJ wants him, all the hard work in coming up with a fair long-term contract is done - by the Jets.

(I'm assuming no poison pill, of course.)

Otherwise, we get their 2nd rounder, and a good player will be avilable at that spot.

Of course, the question remains can we get another WR via FA or the draft who we'd want as our number 2 or number 3 wideout?

I think we could via the draft still come out with a number 3 WR from day 1. In fact, we possibly could via FA as well.

I think guys who we would target at 51 and 52 include,

R Johnson
Delmas
J Gilbert
Sidbury
English
D Robinson
D Williams at WR?
Maybe Veikune, but still see him more of a pick in Round 3 (early) or end of Round 2, contrary to what Bunting says.

I think D Scott is more of a Round 3 guy as well.
 

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an outstanding article, but what it fails to mention is that, that particular process is just one component of the ultimate decision. Yes, it is probably the most important component, but not the only one.

After those evaluations are turned in, then Jerry, Stephen, Wade, Tom, and possibly the respective coordinators, get together and formulate a big picture plan. For example, they'd ask questions such as: if the Cowboys choose to match Miles' offer sheet, how would that impact the negotiations with D-Ware when it comes to cap space ? Stephen would probably be the authority on this subject. Is Miles worth it ? This is where " Red ", Wade, and Tom's opinions would count the most, with " Red's " input probably being the biggest.

In other words, it's more sophisticated and complex than most of us imagine, and unlike the media's inaccurate portrait, it's not a " one man " show.
 

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Woods;2723131 said:
Personally, I really hope the Jets make Austin an offer.

If JJ wants him, all the hard work in coming up with a fair long-term contract is done - by the Jets.

(I'm assuming no poison pill, of course.)

Otherwise, we get their 2nd rounder, and a good player will be avilable at that spot.

Of course, the question remains can we get another WR via FA or the draft who we'd want as our number 2 or number 3 wideout?

I think we could via the draft still come out with a number 3 WR from day 1. In fact, we possibly could via FA as well.

I think guys who we would target at 51 and 52 include,

R Johnson
Delmas
J Gilbert
Sidbury
English
D Robinson
D Williams at WR?
Maybe Veikune, but still see him more of a pick in Round 3 (early) or end of Round 2, contrary to what Bunting says.

I think D Scott is more of a Round 3 guy as well.


Scott may be more of a third round guy to some teams, but the Cowboys may have him rated higher. His position is worth more to them, 34 NT. You have to remember this, though. The Cowboys probably will not draft the CBs, TEs, and RBs at 51, imo. They will not touch Harvin or Britt, imo. Nicks may be gone, and they may not take him if he's there. The Cowboys don't like drafting WRs, anyway. Nicks would play Roy Williams' role, imo. So, the top tier WRs may not be in play, the ones that are most likely to fall.

Plus, the Cowboys will draft on grades and not numbers. I think some of those guys listed low (low second/early third) in Bunting's top 100, could be rated higher on Dallas' board, because of those positions that I think they will not even consider at 51.

That's just my best guess.

Gilbert could go in round one to the Titans. The Steelers could take him if they pass. I don't see him making it to 51. There are too many 34 teams making the transition. His value goes up. He will be over drafted, but he's good.
 

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Think of the hubbub last year when a photo showing then defensive coordinator Brian Stewart leaked onto the internet. The photo showed vertical listings of several defensive positions, most notably cornerbacks

Amazing. When are people going to learn that didnt leak out. It wasnt an accident and it wasnt important. this guy talks about that constantly.

get over it already.
 

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41gy#;2723306 said:
Scott may be more of a third round guy to some teams, but the Cowboys may have him rated higher. His position is worth more to them, 34 NT. You have to remember this, though. The Cowboys probably will not draft the CBs, TEs, and RBs at 51, imo. They will not touch Harvin or Britt, imo. Nicks may be gone, and they may not take him if he's there. The Cowboys don't like drafting WRs, anyway. Nicks would play Roy Williams' role, imo. So, the top tier WRs may not be in play, the ones that are most likely to fall.

Plus, the Cowboys will draft on grades and not numbers. I think some of those guys listed low (low second/early third) in Bunting's top 100, could be rated higher on Dallas' board, because of those positions that I think they will not even consider at 51.

That's just my best guess.

Gilbert could go in round one to the Titans. The Steelers could take him if they pass. I don't see him making it to 51. There are too many 34 teams making the transition. His value goes up. He will be over drafted, but he's good.

Let's assume that Gilbert and English are gone before 51.

Between

D Robinson
Delmas
R Johnson
Veikune
D Scott
Sidbury

who do you take?

I think this could be a real possibility (though I have a feeling Delmas and Sidbury may be gone before 51).

For me it is between Robinson and R Johnson at 51 regardless if Sidbury and Delmas are there.

Of course, with 51 and 52, I take both.

I think we can get a good WR in the 3rd if we lose Austin.
 

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Woods;2723393 said:
Let's assume that Gilbert and English are gone before 51.

Between

D Robinson
Delmas
R Johnson
Veikune
D Scott
Sidbury

who do you take?

I think this could be a real possibility (though I have a feeling Delmas and Sidbury may be gone before 51).

For me it is between Robinson and R Johnson at 51 regardless if Sidbury and Delmas are there.

Of course, with 51 and 52, I take both.

I think we can get a good WR in the 3rd if we lose Austin.


We'll, I really hope Delmas is gone. Bunting says he's way overrated due to the weak safety class. Plus, he says that he takes terrible angles to the ball. That leads to Rac and long runs. I'd rather have Rashad Johnson over him, all day.

Of those guys, I'd take Duke Robinson. He would be a solid investment on the interior of the line. He's Tony Romo friendly. It would be between Robinson and Sidbury Jr. I would love to hear the Dallas scouts talk about Sidbury.

On Gilbert:

Bunting rated him at 15, ahead of Tyson Jackson. Jackson is going in round one for sure. Gilbert is rated in various places. The Cowboys are bringing him in, but it could be to make other teams take him, so another guy falls.

The 34 and 43 teams like him, so that is why I think he's long gone, especially when a guy like Bunting rates him so high. DEs rise, and he will be the first or second 34 DE on the board.

On Miles:

I want that Jets pick. That's a good player for Dallas, imo. It's probably a player they have a solid 2 grade on.

However, I don't want to lose Miles Austin. Darius Heyward-Bey would be the WR I'd take, but he's long gone by 51, imo. He ran a 4.30. He's raw, though. I don't want Brian Robiskie. Austin is better than him. Dallas will not take Harvin or Britt, imo. I think Nicks projects to Roy Williams' role. He's not a speed guy. He's a chain mover or possession guy. He showed up 15 pounds over weight at his pro day. Dallas hates drafting WRs, and I don't think they would take Nicks at 51. That's just me..


On Larry English:

Bunting says that he is the most debated player in the draft. He could go in round 1 or fall to 51, imo.
 
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