Cowboys first year in 3-4 defense

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Many of you don't recall our game against the Chargers & how before the game Charger players discussed difficulties in playing 3-4 defense for first time in 2004, and how more familiarty with 3-4 in TC 2005 allowed defensive coaching staff to increase complexity/packages, etc. AND Chargers in 2004 did not play so many rookies (Ware, Spears, Canty (starters/became starters/don't forget Ratliff pretty good backup to Spears before injury. They also didn't lose vet starters Dat & Singleton at vulnerable LB position; remember Parcells worried about inexperienced LB core before season even started.

Anyway, Chargers then said familiarty with 3-4 system enabled coaching staff in 2005 TC to move from basic vanilla 3-4 defense to more complex aggressive packages system. I think our change to 3-4 went smoothly/quicker then any could have anticipated in first half but 2nd half our rookies hit the wall (despite Parcells insistence to contrary), injuries, decreased quality of play by Glover/Ellis etc. led to more erratic play in 2nd half.

Believe Parcells knew (when he got rid of several vet defensive players) there would be rough patches a head when playing so many rookies but elected (despite previous career of not playing so many rookie starters) to go with these young guys cause of the potential he saw.

Frankly I'm optimistic about defensive play in 2006. We only need add 2 more defensive starters (ILB or OLB depending on Burnett's improvement & FS). Those additions & the offseason weight conditioning program (for OT Colombo/Pettiti as well) will make our defense 1 of top 3-5 all of 2006. I do feel adding good FS important cause Williams much better close to line so FS much have excellent cover skills/good hitter to offset this. Don't think Ferguson has played that poorly at all cause his job was to hold DL against OL while DEs & LBS pressured the QB.

Believe Chargers Merriman had good success in rookie season cause other defensive players around him allowed their DC to pick when/where to play Merriman & I hope Ware gets same opportunities. This will also add Spear, Canty, Ratliff and Pepper Johnson. BTW: Parcells said early in season Cowboys couldn't play more complex 3-4 system this year cause it would overload them. Chargers apparently thought same thing back in 2004 but were able make necessary changes to improve 3-4 to become much more aggressive in 2005.
 

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Many of you don't recall our game against the Chargers & how before the game Charger players discussed difficulties in playing 3-4 defense for first time in 2004, and how more familiarty with 3-4 in TC 2005 allowed defensive coaching staff to increase complexity/packages, etc. AND Chargers in 2004 did not play so many rookies (Ware, Spears, Canty (starters/became starters/don't forget Ratliff pretty good backup to Spears before injury. They also didn't lose vet starters Dat & Singleton at vulnerable LB position; remember Parcells worried about inexperienced LB core before season even started.

Anyway, Chargers then said familiarty with 3-4 system enabled coaching staff in 2005 TC to move from basic vanilla 3-4 defense to more complex aggressive packages system.

Okay, you're using way too much reason and contemplation and common sense. Where is the knee jerk? Here, I'll help you out and get to get you started ...

"Yeah, we're 8-6. We're the worst 8-6 in the history of the NFL. All 8 of our wins were lucky, and all 6 of our losses are the true indicator of this team. We've gotten worse every year, and its evidenced by the fact that Parcells PURPOSELY runs a vanilla defense because he's unimaginative and stubborn...."

Okay, you take it from there.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Okay, you're using way too much reason and contemplation and common sense. Where is the knee jerk? Here, I'll help you out and get to get you started ...

"Yeah, we're 8-6. We're the worst 8-6 in the history of the NFL. All 8 of our wins were lucky, and all 6 of our losses are the true indicator of this team. We've gotten worse every year, and its evidenced by the fact that Parcells PURPOSELY runs a vanilla defense because he's unimaginative and stubborn...."

Okay, you take it from there.

Wow, that makes way too much sense! Maybe, just maybe, there is hope for this defense. :D
 

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Right, Parcells said just last week (IIRC) that right now they don't want to add more wrinkles to the defense because some of the rookies -- Ware in particular -- are already borderline overloaded, and that was one reason we didn't have more "minus plays". He said next year when everyone knows the defense better and they can add more exotic pressure packages, we should create more negative plays for offenses.
 

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sorry i don't buy it.
this is football not rocket science. we don't have 1 single
coach that could teach anything near as complicated as
some of you people make it out to be.
This game is *** simple, tackle the guy with the ball
don't try to make your heros any smarter than they actually are. :bang2:
 

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hogwild said:
sorry i don't buy it.
this is football not rocket science. we don't have 1 single
coach that could teach anything near as complicated as
some of you people make it out to be.
This game is *** simple, tackle the guy with the ball
don't try to make your heros any smarter than they actually are. :bang2:


Ummmmm......I'll buy that. :)
 

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hogwild said:
sorry i don't buy it.
this is football not rocket science. we don't have 1 single
coach that could teach anything near as complicated as
some of you people make it out to be.
This game is *** simple, tackle the guy with the ball
don't try to make your heros any smarter than they actually are. :bang2:

Well apperently it is, or we wouldn't be getting out coached. Teams have picked up on our basic 3-4 defense with the occassional Blitz Roy, Fujita, or the whole kitchen sink.

There is no creativity being shown on the field. Maybe in pratice but on game day it's back to basic 101. Which BTW isn't working anymore.
 

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this is a good point. i truly hope that if zimmer returns he will make our scheme more complex and creative.
 

hogwild

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you ever think its the players and not the coaches. example
We got a small run stuffing nt (bust by the way) to clog the middle
we should have 360 lb man-eater in that spot. don't you think
that would change alot of the type of defensive playcalling, i do
 

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For all you parcell FANS listen. We will see more 80's giants football next year. BP chose not to bring in veteran help for back ups at oline. He refused to get a qaulity FS. His conservative play calling will continue. I love keys heart, however he is not a premeire receiver anymore and parcells has never viewed big name receivers as a priority.

We pose no threat to DC's because we are predictable and besides glenn we have no deep threat. Witten is under used, we should be killing teams when they blitz with quick slants ala Micheal Irving or dump offs to jay novachek. If they defend the deep pass, kill them with the seam plays, if they blitz slants and draws.

BP will always be ultra conservative " big plays have a potenial for disater!" "you are what your record says you are" Please take this man to task, he is not God! Zimmer,payton,dehaven and sparano suck!!!! These are all parcell men he should be held responsible for his failures as well as his successes.

He did a good job drafting this year. He needs to be a GM somewhere other than dallas. His days as a head coach are far behind him. give him another year and we will still be far away from our goal as SUPERBOWL champions! Mark my words
 

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Either way, there is no way our defense is much better next year. From the rookies getting bigger stronger and more experienced to fa's and draft picks, to possibly another DC. Even if Zimm is still around, I think our defense should be much more complete next year.
 

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Hiero said:
Either way, there is no way our defense is much better next year. From the rookies getting bigger stronger and more experienced to fa's and draft picks, to possibly another DC. Even if Zimm is still around, I think our defense should be much more complete next year.

Did you mean there is no way our Defense is NOT better next year?
 

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hogwild said:
sorry i don't buy it.
this is football not rocket science. we don't have 1 single
coach that could teach anything near as complicated as
some of you people make it out to be.
This game is *** simple, tackle the guy with the ball
don't try to make your heros any smarter than they actually are. :bang2:

Well, if it's simply tackle the guy with the ball, then why have defensive schemes to begin with?

It's because you're trying to maximize your strengthens into a game plan and minimize your weaknesses.

Anyone who is a coach and competive understands this. As a T-baseball coach I had to strategize how my team could beat another team even though that team had better talent. I "schemed" to do so by switching the batting order, making sure that my batters hit in a certain direction, etc.

I can only imagine what it's like on the professional level.
 

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Everyone seems to forget about Kalen Thornton. Before his season ending injury, he was a making a name for himself on this team and with the coach(if that means anything?)
 

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tyke1doe said:
Well, if it's simply tackle the guy with the ball, then why have defensive schemes to begin with?

It's because you're trying to maximize your strengthens into a game plan and minimize your weaknesses.

Anyone who is a coach and competive understands this. As a T-baseball coach I had to strategize how my team could beat another team even though that team had better talent. I "schemed" to do so by switching the batting order, making sure that my batters hit in a certain direction, etc.

I can only imagine what it's like on the professional level.
what you say maybe true, but it also doesn't mean it has to be complicated
 
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