Cowboys Future

xwalker said:
3-tech DT

Even a great performance in 2018 does not mean they should give him a big contract.

Some players can't handle a big contract. It's not just the money but it also makes them a top dog in the lockerroom.

I think many sane people knew in 2015 that giving Dez a mega-contract was a bad idea.
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X, I certainly understand conservative approaches to top shelf and long contracts, when viewed by a Cowboys fan...lord knows that has been a rough story of much of the history during the past 30 years.

I have to be thinking...10 sacks from a defensive tackle elevates considerations, quickly. That number isn't beyond logic or reason, right now even..
 
jazzcat22 said:
So trade TWill and a 6th to get a 7th?
Doesn’t sound like a good deal. We released better players and got nothing.
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TWill's salary is guaranteed. That's the most likely reason he suggested that. You get rid of a player AND the guaranteed salary.
 
xwalker said:
His 3.5M salary is guaranteed.

A trade keeps the Cowboys from having to pay his salary.
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I think we can survive this one more year from TWill

He is a valuable security blanket type for Dak

AHurns- Gallup- TWill- Beasley- DThompson- (NBrown/CWilson)
 
xwalker said:
3-tech DT

Even a great performance in 2018 does not mean they should give him a big contract.

Some players can't handle a big contract. It's not just the money but it also makes them a top dog in the lockerroom.

I think many sane people knew in 2015 that giving Dez a mega-contract was a bad idea.
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Yeah, Dez' bad contract was very risky. It was more likely to underperform than be worth the money.
 
CCBoy said:
X, I certainly understand conservative approaches to top shelf and long contracts, when viewed by a Cowboys fan...lord knows that has been a rough story of much of the history during the past 30 years.

I have to be thinking...10 sacks from a defensive tackle elevates considerations, quickly. That number isn't beyond logic or reason, right now even..
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Irving is a player that you can anticipate will go "bad" on you at some point. The smart money would bet on it happening.

It's dicey to have guys like that on the team for two reasons:

1. You can't count on them to stay eligible.
2. The risk reward vs. the guaranteed contract money is an issue.


Don't get me wrong, I would rather have Irving than not have Irving, but I would NOT give him a BIG contract. A new contract is fine, but if we keep Irving around you would want to build in some SERIOUS protection for the team.

Someone might pay Irving big money without any protection, but it should NOT be the Cowboys.
 
xwalker said:
What people forget about Leary is that basically every year he had some type of injury that affected him for several games. Yes, he was very good when 100% healthy but his play declined significantly when dealing with injuries (usually groin or back issues).

La'el originally got the LG job in 2015 because Leary missed 2 games with a groin injury, returned and performed terribly.

In 2016 Leary only started 12 games.

Maybe I'm over-rating Connor Williams relative to Leary but even considering Leary, I think improvements with some other players will offset any difference at LG.

Doug Free allowed 9 sacks in 2016.

Hanna missed 2016 and Swaim missed half of the season.

Dez missed 3 games.

Dak had a great season in 2016 but I don't believe he was a better player than he will be in 2018.

The #2 WR was TWill and he remains but there are options to beat him out now.

It's not directly a roster issue but the new WR coach appears to be a big improvement.

It comes down to the overall WR group in regards to 2016 vs 2018.
  • Dez 2016: 50 catches, 796 yards, 8 TDs
  • I would be surprised if Hurns can't beat those numbers; although he is a bit of an injury risk.
  • TWill 2016 vs TWill plus Gallup and others in 2018.
  • WR coaching. This offseason is the first time I've heard the WR coach talk about route running and acknowledge it's an area where they must improve.
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Im with you on Connor Williams and Im a homer but I believe in this kid. He just has to not allows sacks.
Opening holes will come. If they protect Dak this team will be rolling second half of season.
 
Aven8 said:
Who in the hell is going to trade for Twill with a broken foot and having just got arrested??
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Did you see my proposed trade?

The Cowboys give a 6th and get a 7th back from the team that "trades" for TWill.
 
xwalker said:
Did you see my proposed trade?

The Cowboys give a 6th and get a 7th back from the team that "trades" for TWill.
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I just reread it. I think he starts off on the Pup. On top of that he's never been that great to begin with, but when was the last WR, outside of Julio, that has come back from a broken foot and played well?

I'm fine sinking and swimming with all new guys. I can't imagine at any point next season, or in the future I will say to myself......man if we only had Twill this game would be different. That's all you need to really know right there.
 
what does it matter if you don't have a coach who can get us over the hump.. I doubt Jason could have let the players win like Barry Switzer did to get his ring.
 
MichaelWinicki said:
To me Prescott makes or breaks the future.

If he's the Prescott of 2016 and the first half of 2017 then this team is in decent shape.

If he's the Prescott of the last half of 2017 then the Cowboys are going to need a new QB.

For the record I think Prescott will do just fine, but it's far from a sure thing.
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you are 100 per cent correct about dak
 
xwalker said:
The roster is super young.
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Great post. I would amplify this comment above that not only is the roster young and talented, but we have deep talent at the key positions like RB, CB, DE, etc. We have an OL that should be an elite group for the next five years while allowing us to spend draft capital elsewhere.

LB has good young talent but its isn't considered a key position that is hard to fill. WR could be in the same category by the end of this year.

On the question of QB, I think Dak will end up as a Drew Brees type with superior execution and leadership who is never considered elite, but goes to Pro Bowls along the way. YMMV.

If you look at next year's draft, there aren't obvious holes to fill. You will want to add talent at Safety, TE, and probably WR but even that could be OBE with the development of guys like Woods, Noah Brown, etc. And Blake Jarwin my candidate for the surprise player of 2018.
 
I would not worry much if Dak struggle we have other 3 quarterbacks maybe one of them will shine.
 
MichaelWinicki said:
To me Prescott makes or breaks the future.
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I agree but if we get a Drew Brees type for a 4th round pick its a huge win over the long haul. Philly got a good QB in Wentz but they gave up a boatload to talent to get him. A 4th is almost nothing when you look at teams over a five year period.
 
Kaiser said:
Great post. I would amplify this comment above that not only is the roster young and talented, but we have deep talent at the key positions like RB, CB, DE, etc. We have an OL that should be an elite group for the next five years while allowing us to spend draft capital elsewhere.

LB has good young talent but its isn't considered a key position that is hard to fill. WR could be in the same category by the end of this year.

On the question of QB, I think Dak will end up as a Drew Brees type with superior execution and leadership who is never considered elite, but goes to Pro Bowls along the way. YMMV.

If you look at next year's draft, there aren't obvious holes to fill. You will want to add talent at Safety, TE, and probably WR but even that could be OBE with the development of guys like Woods, Noah Brown, etc. And Blake Jarwin my candidate for the surprise player of 2018.
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Next year - no excuse not to grab a 1-tech early. We really have filled the roster at most positions now. A talented 1, a FS. And wherever we have problems this year.
Damm I'm feeling pretty optimistic ! W.T.H.
 
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