Cowboys, Hamlin nearing agreement on multi-year contract

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

July 14, 2008

Cowboys, Hamlin nearing agreement on multi-year contract

The Cowboys are very close to signing safety Ken Hamlin to a multi-year contract, according to a source. A deal could be finalized as soon as later today or Tuesday.

The team designated Hamlin as their franchise player back in February and have been working towards a long-term deal since then.
Hamlin finished the 2007 season with 47 total tackles, five interceptions and 15 passes defensed.

For some perspective on what the terms may be, Troy Polamalu signed a five-year, $33 million deal in July of 2007 and Bob Sanders got five years, $37.5 million from Indianapolis last December. Hamlin isn't quite as good as those two, but a $30 million extension through 2012 might be a reasonable price tag.
Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram

 

[theogt]

For some perspective on what the terms may be, Troy Polamalu signed a five-year, $33 million deal in July of 2007 and Bob Sanders got five years, $37.5 million from Indianapolis last December. Hamlin isn't quite as good as those two, but a $30 million extension through 2012 might be a reasonable price tag.

*cough*bull****cough*

 

[BourbonBalz]

I don't believe Hamlin is as good as Sanders, but he isn't injured as often either.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't believe Hamlin is as good as Sanders, but he isn't injured as often either.

Sanders is good, but waaaaaay overrated. He excels at being Indy's hype man. But as a playmaker, there are better players out there.

 

[theogt]

I don't believe Hamlin is as good as Sanders, but he isn't injured as often either.

Not that judging safeties by INTs is the best idea, but to put this in perspective.

Ken Hamlin had more INTs in 2007 than Bob Sanders has had in HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Just saying...

 

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

Sanders is good, but waaaaaay overrated. He excels at being Indy's hype man. But as a playmaker, there are better players out there.

Hope Hamlin gets what he deserves!

 

[BourbonBalz]

Not that judging safeties by INTs is the best idea, but to put this in perspective.

Ken Hamlin had more INTs in 2007 than Bob Sanders has had in HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Just saying...

Your first sentence was right on. Ints. don't mean that much, at least IMO. I'd much rather have a tackling machine that can cover. Sanders, when healthy, is good. Not that Hamlin isn't. I just think Sanders is a bit better.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Your first sentence was right on. Ints. don't mean that much, at least IMO. I'd much rather have a tackling machine that can cover. Sanders, when healthy, is good. Not that Hamlin isn't. I just think Sanders is a bit better.

Sanders is not a cover safety though. I think Adam had some numbers pointing that out awhile back. Sanders is more the standard strong safety than a coverage safety.

 

[theogt]

Your first sentence was right on. Ints. don't mean that much, at least IMO. I'd much rather have a tackling machine that can cover. Sanders, when healthy, is good. Not that Hamlin isn't. I just think Sanders is a bit better.

Oh, INTs mean a lot. They mean a whole heckuva lot.

But if you want a tackling machine, Sanders definitely isn't your guy. He's never even led is own team in tackling. And over his 4 years, he's averaged the 8th leading solo tackler on his own team.

He's not really a coverage guy, and he's not really a pile up a bunch of tackles guy either. And he's also not really a guy that can stay healthy. I'm not really sure what he is, other than overrated.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Your first sentence was right on. Ints. don't mean that much, at least IMO. I'd much rather have a tackling machine that can cover. Sanders, when healthy, is good. Not that Hamlin isn't. I just think Sanders is a bit better.

Sanders is good and worth most of his hype. Now Polamalu?

 

[juck]

Great news.Now if we could just slide Anthony Henry over to safety and trade Roy for a wr we would be rollin'.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Oh, INTs mean a lot. They mean a whole heckuva lot.

But if you want a tackling machine, Sanders definitely isn't your guy. He's never even led is own team in tackling. And over his 4 years, he's averaged the 8th leading solo tackler on his own team.

He's not really a coverage guy, and he's not really a pile up a bunch of tackles guy either. And he's also not really a guy that can stay healthy. I'm not really sure what he is, other than overrated.

He is a playmaker. Thats what he is. Whether it be an interception, forced fumble, sack, game changing hit. Thats what he is! Hopefully #38 can be just as overrated.

 

[theogt]

He is a playmaker. Thats what he is. Whether it be an interception, forced fumble, sack, game changing hit. Thats what he is! Hopefully #38 can be just as overrated.

Except for the part where he doesn't actually get many INTs, force many fumbles, or get many sacks, or make many game changing hits. Being where I live, I get to see the Colts play quite a bit. Not much substance to him.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Man, that is alot, but what is the alternative?

 

[The Panch]

Not that judging safeties by INTs is the best idea, but to put this in perspective.

Ken Hamlin had more INTs in 2007 than Bob Sanders has had in HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Just saying...

If you were talking about a CB, then those numbers were hold more relevance. Hamlin is obviously better in coverage cause Sanders is itty bitty, but when you can name another player in the NFL who singlehandedly defends the run for their team like Sanders does, then you can call him overrated. Last year Hamlin had 62 tackles to 97 for Sanders, 45 solo tackles to 72 for Sanders, and no sacks to Sanders' 3.5 and this is all with Sanders missing a game. Hamlin's numbers in '06 were more comparable, but still.

 

[arync]

i hope they work this out. Hamlin should have had more faith in Jerry and Stephen to get a deal done and shown up for OTA's and the minicamp. If jerry wants you he will get the deal done. He's missed a lot of time this summer, so hopefully he's in shape and can be as good or better than he was last year.

 

[Rampage]

Sizing up Ken Hamlin

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The Cowboys and the agent for Pro Bowl safety Ken Hamlin are working through contract talks today and could reach a deal soon.
Three safeties of note signed big deals this off-season. The Jets retained Kerry Rhodes with a year left on his rookie deal. Oakland signed Gibril Wilson away from the Giants. Madieu Williams left Cincinnati for Minnesota.


Here's a look at the deals the other three signed:


Rhodes - five years, $33.5 million. He had 67 tackles, two sacks, 10 pass deflections and five interceptions in 2007.

Wilson - six years, $39 million. He had 92 tackles, 0 sacks, seven pass deflections and four interceptions in 2007.

Williams - six year, $33.75 million. He had 74 tackles, 0 sacks, seven pass deflections and two interceptions in 2007.

Hamlin - He had 62 tackles, 0 sacks, 15 pass deflections and five interceptions in 2007.

(note - the stats came from nfl.com to keep it relative. According to the coaches' film, Hamlin had 102 tackles last year.)
Hamlin had a highly productive season for the Cowboys and brought a stability to the secondary. He's a must-have and the Cowboys are doing what they can to keep him long-term.
You saw the money those guys got. Where does Hamlin come in?

 

[theogt]

If you were talking about a CB, then those numbers were hold more relevance. Hamlin is obviously better in coverage cause Sanders is itty bitty, but when you can name another player in the NFL who singlehandedly defends the run for their team like Sanders does, then you can call him overrated. Last year Hamlin had 62 tackles to 97 for Sanders, 45 solo tackles to 72 for Sanders, and no sacks to Sanders' 3.5 and this is all with Sanders missing a game. Hamlin's numbers in '06 were more comparable, but still.

You can't compare tackle stats across teams because, as AdamJT13 has pointed out numerous times, the bean counters vary greatly on how they judge a tackle or a solo tackle. I'm only using tackle stats compared against his own teammates because the effect of varying standards across teams wouldn't be as pronounced. He's not even a "prolific" tackler by the standards of his own team, so I'm not sure why he'd be considered one league-wide.

Also, if you want to compare SS to SS (since Hamlin is a FS), Roy had more solo tackles last year than Sanders.

And what's more, Hamlin had 50% more pass deflections in 2007 alone than Sanders has had in his entire career. If you want to say "INTs and pass deflections don't matter for defensive backs that aren't corners" so be it. Seems pretty stupid to me, though.

 

[The Panch]

You can't compare tackle stats across teams because, as AdamJT13 has pointed out numerous times, the bean counters vary greatly on how they judge a tackle or a solo tackle. I'm only using tackle stats compared against his own teammates because the effect of varying standards across teams wouldn't be as pronounced. He's not even a "prolific" tackler by the standards of his own team, so I'm not sure why he'd be considered one league-wide.

Also, if you want to compare SS to SS (since Hamlin is a FS), Roy had more solo tackles last year than Sanders.

I never said he was, but nobody who's not a flat out Sanders hater would look at the Colts with him and without him and say him being on the field makes it difficult to run on that team.


And you cant really use the "prolific" tackle label for anyone on that team cause they always dog pile packle anyway.

 

[1fisher]

Oh, INTs mean a lot. They mean a whole heckuva lot.

But if you want a tackling machine, Sanders definitely isn't your guy. He's never even led is own team in tackling. And over his 4 years, he's averaged the 8th leading solo tackler on his own team.

He's not really a coverage guy, and he's not really a pile up a bunch of tackles guy either. And he's also not really a guy that can stay healthy. I'm not really sure what he is, other than overrated.

.....Give me the INT'S.... let the DL and LB's rack up the tackles!