Cowboys need Demarcus Lawrence to show up

[Daillest88]

Lawrence is doing fine. he will finish the year with more then 8 sacks. mark it down, he has been close to sacking the QB a lot more then people think.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Debatable, hurries can be just as productive as a sack. Both are extremely disruptive, to write one off because of the other is due to the love for popular stat sheets.

Same as the ridiculous post of people saying Crawford was a ghost in the Saints game, but he had 6 hurries.

Dig a little deeper into stats, it helps to be informed.

Agreed hurries are important too! I just think of it as a " cheesey" almost sack stat. You almost got the sack but did not. With that being said, I'll take a " hurry" over nothing.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

The entire defense needs to show up. The d-line needs to get pressure on the QB and make plays behind the line. The LBs need to stop the run, cover their zones well, and create turnovers. The safeties need make sure tackles, and the CBs need to get pics. All need to do it for the entire game.

 

[ShiningStar]

Lawrence is doing fine. he will finish the year with more then 8 sacks. mark it down, he has been close to sacking the QB a lot more then people think.

i dont care his sacks, im not a stat guy, does he do his job does he do it well. Some dont get it i didnt at first, someone educated me. happens.

 

[Galian Beast]

I understand your point but disagree. A sack is always better than a pressure because pressures result in the ball being returned to the line of scrimmage. A sack means the ball is further away from your goal.
Football is a game of field position. You want the opponent to be deep in his own territory rather than closer to yours. Sacks accomplish that. Pressures do not.

Pressures can result in interceptions, which are far more important than sacks, at least if they don't result in a fumble.

 

[Daillest88]

He's played much better in the past 2 games.

My thinking is that he'll hopefully turn into a Grant Wistrom type.....lots of hustle and a high motor, but if you need him to be the main pass rusher you're going to be disappointed. However, put him with a good pass rusher on the other end and you can get close to 10 sacks in a season.

Wistrom was very good against the run. These days the run isn't really as prevalent, so those good run defending DE's have more of a responsibility to chase down WR screens and such. So I hope that is what Lawrence can do. Have Gregory (and perhaps Hardy) on one end and maybe switch it up on passing downs to get one of them at a DT spot in the nickel and you have a nice player on your hands.






YR

I'm thinking Greg Ellis

 

[dallasdave]

Cowboys need Demarcus Lawrence to show up--and show up big !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm thinking Greg Ellis

Two diferent players in terms of style.





YR

 

[Daillest88]

Two diferent players in terms of style.





YR

style yes, im thinking more on production wise what Lawrence can become.

 

[tyke1doe]

Pressures can result in interceptions, which are far more important than sacks, at least if they don't result in a fumble.

True, but there's a fundamental issue you're missing. Sacks ALWAYS result in a loss of yardage or no yardage gain by the opponent. Pressures may lead to interceptions. Pressuring the quarterback may result in a better play than a sack, but a sack is guaranteed to give your opponent negative/no yards. Pressures don't.

 

[xwalker]

True, but there's a fundamental issue you're missing. Sacks ALWAYS result in a loss of yardage or no yardage gain by the opponent. Pressures may lead to interceptions. Pressuring the quarterback may result in a better play than a sack, but a sack is guaranteed to give your opponent negative/no yards. Pressures don't.

Three yard passes are almost always completions. Twenty yard passes are not.

 

[casmith07]

Lawrence has been really good in the past 2 games and not terrible in the ones before that.

The LDE is never going to get as much pressure as the RDE in this defense.

No, xwalker. I got 16 sacks with him on Madden, he needs to do it in real life.

 

[Carl23]

I dont expect a lot of sacks this game for the Cowboys. I do expect a lot of three step drops and getting rid of the ball quickly by Eli to neutralize the rush.

It has been a LONG time since anyone had to game plan against our rush...

 

[Hardline]

I see Hardy playing over there more in passing downs. Randy on the right. He just hasn't produced. Pretty are he has 1 sack in 5 games. Pressures aren't sacks. They're good but not great.

How did that QB pressure on Joe Montana work out in the final seconds of the 1981 NFC championship game turn out?
No...pressures are not almost as good as a sack.
When a QB is flat on his back he has a zero chance of a blind luck play going for him.

Tony Romo makes his most spectacular plays being under pressure.

 

[mattjames2010]

How did that QB pressure on Joe Montana work out in the final seconds of the 1981 NFC championship game turn out?
No...pressures are not almost as good as a sack.
When a QB is flat on his back he has a zero chance of a blind luck play going for him.

Tony Romo makes his most spectacular plays being under pressure.

So a defensive lineman is to blame for making Montana rollout, but no blame is placed on the CB leaving a receiver open in the back of the end zone?

You point to one example, there are hundreds of examples you can point to of hurries leading to bad decisions by a QB.

 

[cowboyuptx]

If Randy Gregory ends up being what people expect him to be, then that makes Demarcus Lawrence the 3rd best DE on the team, and he's a pretty darn good for your 3rd best pass-rusher... So that makes Mincey what, the 4th best pass-rushing DE on the team? That's pretty quality depth at DE... The Cowboys defense was getting by okay when it was just Lawrence and Mincey, if they both get moved down a notch on the depth chart, then we're really in business...

 

[LatinMind]

Cowboys really need Demarcus Lawrence to show up in the next 4 games.

I'm not down on him yet, especially without the help of Hardy for the first four games, or the offense in the last 3 games.

He hasn't delivered yet, but I think the combination or elements will now allow him to deliver. He is never going to see another double team as long as Hardy and Gregory are present and healthy. The question of how to stop Hardy, Gregory, Crawford, and Lawrence will be an interesting one for opposing offenses. Three of the four probably require a double team the majority of the time.

I see in Lawrence a lot of what I see in Williams. He isn't a top pass rusher, at least not yet, but with consistent single coverage against right tackles, he should begin to show up.

Lawrence just isnt very good. waiting for him to show is waisting alot of your time.

 

[kramskoi]

Cowboys really need Demarcus Lawrence to show up in the next 4 games.

I'm not down on him yet, especially without the help of Hardy for the first four games, or the offense in the last 3 games.

He hasn't delivered yet, but I think the combination or elements will now allow him to deliver. He is never going to see another double team as long as Hardy and Gregory are present and healthy. The question of how to stop Hardy, Gregory, Crawford, and Lawrence will be an interesting one for opposing offenses. Three of the four probably require a double team the majority of the time.

I see in Lawrence a lot of what I see in Williams. He isn't a top pass rusher, at least not yet, but with consistent single coverage against right tackles, he should begin to show up.

I liked his pressure against NE. The problem is 3-step west-coast type offenses don't let you really get after them unless they are in third and long situations. That said, lesser players at LT/RT can make even early downs problematic for offenses, because DEs can enter the backfield and cause negative plays to happen. Hardy was a terror in the first half against NE and I don't think they were all strictly on third down...we need to see that and more today. Cowboys need to get them in third and 5 or more...go 3-2-6, bang around Randle/Beckham and then get home quickly. I can see a Lawrence-Gregory-Hardy three man line...McClain is beefier this year and looks to be more stout against the run, while still being fast enough to blitz up the middle.

On the whole, Marinelli has more talent in which to wreak havoc than he has had since his days in Chicago. What must he be thinking with Gregory's return?

 

[kramskoi]

True, but there's a fundamental issue you're missing. Sacks ALWAYS result in a loss of yardage or no yardage gain by the opponent. Pressures may lead to interceptions. Pressuring the quarterback may result in a better play than a sack, but a sack is guaranteed to give your opponent negative/no yards. Pressures don't.

You definitely want to take the negative plays. Just rewatch the 2009 Divisional playoff game against Minnesota. It is rare that you witness so many in one game.

I think Manning could be made to go skittish very early in this game. He has been knocked around pretty good over the last two games. Get inside his head and make him go "bowling". Short fields and pick sixes would really make Cassel's job much easier to conduct. I think it comes to that today...I think they need to get some points out of the defense, either directly or indirectly.

 

[Hardline]

So a defensive lineman is to blame for making Montana rollout, but no blame is placed on the CB leaving a receiver open in the back of the end zone?

You point to one example, there are hundreds of examples you can point to of hurries leading to bad decisions by a QB.

Sacks are 100% effective. QB hurries are not. Montana was not just rolling out. He was under pressure.