News: Cowboys' offseason direction in hands of Will McClay

[gimmesix]

This article says we've drafted well the last two years.

Anyone want to claim this is a good draft class?....

1(27) Byron Jones CB Connecticut
2(60) Randy Gregory DE Nebraska
3(91) Chaz Green T Florida
4(127) Damien Wilson ILB Minnesota
5(163) Ryan Russell DE Purdue
7(236) Mark Nzeocha OLB Wyoming
7(243) Laurence Gibson T Virginia Tech
7(246) Geoff Swaim TE Texas

Jones is our starting free safety. Green right now is the backup swing tackle. Wilson eventually won the starting SLB spot. Swaim had won the No. 2 tight end spot before being injured. And Nzeocha gets an incomplete for now.

We missed on Russell and Gibson, and Gregory went up in smoke ... but two starters and two contributors so far isn't bad.

This draft, like most, just shows that anyone who thinks we're going to fill all our holes in the draft isn't being realistic. The best we can hope for is to get two to three starters (and we're not talking about Pro Bowlers) and a couple of contributors, and that's if it's a good draft.

 

[LocimusPrime]

This article says we've drafted well the last two years.

Anyone want to claim this is a good draft class?....

1(27) Byron Jones CB Connecticut
2(60) Randy Gregory DE Nebraska
3(91) Chaz Green T Florida
4(127) Damien Wilson ILB Minnesota
5(163) Ryan Russell DE Purdue
7(236) Mark Nzeocha OLB Wyoming
7(243) Laurence Gibson T Virginia Tech
7(246) Geoff Swaim TE Texas

People aren't gonna accept that the 2015 draft stunk but once you list it out, those picks do look junky.

 

[Risen Star]

Jones is our starting free safety. Green right now is the backup swing tackle. Wilson eventually won the starting SLB spot. Swaim had won the No. 2 tight end spot before being injured. And Nzeocha gets an incomplete for now.

We missed on Russell and Gibson, and Gregory went up in smoke ... but two starters and two contributors so far isn't bad.

This draft, like most, just shows that anyone who thinks we're going to fill all our holes in the draft isn't being realistic. The best we can hope for is to get two to three starters (and we're not talking about Pro Bowlers) and a couple of contributors, and that's if it's a good draft.

OMG one tried to do it.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Jones is our starting free safety. Green right now is the backup swing tackle. Wilson eventually won the starting SLB spot. Swaim had won the No. 2 tight end spot before being injured. And Nzeocha gets an incomplete for now.

We missed on Russell and Gibson, and Gregory went up in smoke ... but two starters and two contributors so far isn't bad.

This draft, like most, just shows that anyone who thinks we're going to fill all our holes in the draft isn't being realistic. The best we can hope for is to get two to three starters (and we're not talking about Pro Bowlers) and a couple of contributors, and that's if it's a good draft.

Cmon bro

 

[erod]

This article says we've drafted well the last two years.

Anyone want to claim this is a good draft class?....

1(27) Byron Jones CB Connecticut
2(60) Randy Gregory DE Nebraska
3(91) Chaz Green T Florida
4(127) Damien Wilson ILB Minnesota
5(163) Ryan Russell DE Purdue
7(236) Mark Nzeocha OLB Wyoming
7(243) Laurence Gibson T Virginia Tech
7(246) Geoff Swaim TE Texas

Gregory was on Jerry. Garrett didn't want him. I wonder what McClay thought.

Swaim was a great pick, and Wilson looks promising.

But I'd agree it isn't particularly noteworthy.

I still trust McClay though. Frederick was an awesome pick against the grain. So was Martin.

We'll see. Lot of holes here.

 

[Risen Star]

Gregory was on Jerry. Garrett didn't want him. I wonder what McClay thought.

Swaim was a great pick, and Wilson looks promising.

But I'd agree it isn't particularly noteworthy.

I still trust McClay though. Frederick was an awesome pick against the grain. So was Martin.

We'll see. Lot of holes here.

It still has a chance to be decent but right now you have a decent safety, a JAG starting LB that everyone would love to replace and a backup TE. The 2nd and 3rd round picks have given you nothing.

 

[erod]

It still has a chance to be decent but right now you have a decent safety, a JAG starting LB that everyone would love to replace and a backup TE. The 2nd and 3rd round picks have given you nothing.

Gregory was stupid.

But this board LOVED that pick. Lol

 

[gimmesix]

Cmon bro

What's your idea of a good draft?

Here's a good breakdown on how difficult drafting is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/

 

[TonyS]

As long as I don't see another risky player in the top 4 rounds this year, I will be happy. We can't keep throwing away high picks on guys that miss a bunch of time and may never play due to drugs or pre-existing injuries.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

What's your idea of a good draft?

Here's a good breakdown on how difficult drafting is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/

I know Drafting is difficult but 2015 was not a "good" draft. 2016 is a good draft.

 

[the_h0wey]

At some point McClay will be our first true GM under the Jones ownership.

That point will be when Jerry dies

 

[gimmesix]

I know Drafting is difficult but 2015 was not a "good" draft. 2016 is a good draft.

No, 2016 is a great draft. Getting two starters from a draft is fairly usual, which along with the two contributors, is why I consider 2015 a good draft. Getting three starters, including two Pro Bowlers, from a draft, along with at least one other contributor at this point, is unusual. Those kind of draft results are unexpected.

If Jaylon Smith also proves to be a player, then this draft starts to draw comparisons to some of the best of all time. Right now, we know that Darius Jackson was a failed pick, but the jury is still out on Smith, Tapper, Frazier and Gathers. So we've hit on four of eight picks so far, which is good in and of itself like hitting on four of eight in 2015. How we've hit is what makes it great, with our Pro Bowl running back and quarterback and starting DT ... but we should have expected to do at least slightly better because we were drafting higher.

 

[bayeslife]

Nobody wants to address how bad the 2015 draft class looks right now.

Game, set, match.

Sorry can't hear you over the sound of the 2016 draft class

 

[Risen Star]

Sorry can't hear you over the sound of the 2016 draft class

But the comment was they've drafted well the last 2 years not 1.

 

[bayeslife]

But the comment was they've drafted well the last 2 years not 1.

Maybe bad and amazing averages out to well!

 

[Direwolf63]

What's your idea of a good draft?

Here's a good breakdown on how difficult drafting is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/

That was a great article.

After reviewing all that statisical information and generating further statistical analysis over 40 years, not just 20, you come up with one inescapable conclusion:

Risen Star doesn't know what hes's talking about.

 

[cowboy_ron]

That point will be when Jerry dies

Well, one person actually understood my reference.

 

[gimmesix]

That was a great article.

After reviewing all that statisical information and generating further statistical analysis over 40 years, not just 20, you come up with one inescapable conclusion:

Risen Star doesn't know what hes's talking about.

Well, we needed to do a better job in the second round, but draft statistics show that you only have about a 50 percent chance of finding a starter in the bottom of the second round. The fact that we seem to have found a starter in the fourth in Wilson beat the odds, but we don't know if he'll remain the SLB starter.

Green looked like he could have starter potential if he can stay healthy, but only about 30 percent of players picked when he was turn out to be starters. The chance for Nzeocha and Swaim even to be a contributor is somewhere from 10 to 20 percent.

Here's the site from which I'm getting these percentages: https://datascopeanalytics.com/blog/the-chance-of-a-bust-in-the-nfl-draft/

Where we drafted in the first round appears to have a 20-percent-plus bust rate based on starting.

 

[Alexander]

What's your idea of a good draft?

Here's a good breakdown on how difficult drafting is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/

That article does one thing, which is try to say that the draft is all about luck.

Or as some love to call it, "a crap shoot", especially when it does not work out like they want it to.

That is only partially true.

The thing it fails to do is acknowledge, by team, how a good many teams are quite frankly, idiotic in how they draft.

You can look at poor drafting teams and see it, practically every year.

Not to mention that it is rare that teams do more than recycle the same scared failed GMs from team to team, just like coaches. That does not mean they are experts, just that they are well connected and the NFL is driven by nepotism.

 

[gimmesix]

Based on where we are drafting 2017 has a much better chance of turning out like 2015 than 2016.

The first-rounder could turn out to be a Pro Bowler like Frederick, but has a much better chance of turning out to be just a solid starter like Jones. The second round pick has a 50/50 chance of being a starter, but around a 70 percent chance of being at least a marginal role player, which we haven't gotten so far out of the past two drafts. The other picks are much more likely to be marginal role players than starters and all have a 50 percent or worse chance of turning out to be nothing.

That might sound bleak, but it's the reality of the draft.