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One of the things I enjoyed about the Cowboys drafting Anthony Spencer is that it is apparent he was the primary player they were targeting in the first round.

Matt Mosley had reported the night before the draft that Dallas' plan was to trade back a few spots and get Spencer, and Jerry Jones said Spencer's name was ready to be turned in at pick 22 before the trade was completed with Cleveland. So, whether or not any of us agrees with the pick, it is a great thing that Dallas got the player it wanted AND picked up Cleveland's first-rounder next year.

It also should give us a true gauge of our front office. If Dallas had been forced to settle on an alternate player, then there is an excuse for failure. Since Spencer was the Cowboys' guy, the front office's reputation lives or dies with him.

Looking at Dallas' other draft picks, it's clear that some of them were not Dallas' primary targets and some were:

THIRD ROUND First of all, the evidence points to Dallas targeting a receiver (or perhaps even a group of them) in the second round and trading down when all of them were gone. Second, although there is no concrete evidence, I wonder if Dallas wanted to take CB Usama Young in the third round, but picked Marten when Young went right in front of the Cowboys. They seemed to show a lot of interest in Young before the draft, and only a little in James Marten (primarily at the Senior Bowl from what's been written and Marten's comments).

FOURTH ROUND There is little reason to believe that Isaiah Stanback was not Dallas' top target heading into the second day of the draft. They took him four players into the second day, he was mentioned prior to the draft and fourth round as a player Dallas was interested in and Jeff Ireland has since declared how happy he was that Stanback was available.

Doug Free is another story. It appears from DMN's blog that LB Zak DeOssie was the player Dallas wanted. Free was likely considered by Dallas the best player available when it used its second pick of the round.

SIXTH ROUND Although Dallas obviously wanted Nick Folk over Mason Crosby, I'm not sure if Folk was the Cowboys' top target at kicker. Justin Medlock went 18 picks before Dallas took Folk, so he could have been the No. 1 kicker on the board.

Trading up from pick 200 to 195 to get Deon Anderson makes it clear the Cowboys wanted the fullback, but was this also possibly a reactionary pick? Brian Leonard had went one pick before Dallas' second-round selection; Le'Ron McClain went at the end of the fourth round (Dallas could have got him with its second fourth-rounder if it wanted him, though); and Oren O'Neal went at the top of the sixth, 20 picks before Dallas selected Anderson and four before it picked Folk. So, it's hard to tell which fullback Dallas preferred. I think it's possible that O'Neal was a target because he played for Arkansas State (Larry Lacewell's old school that he still has strong ties to) and Lacewell would have filled Jerry Jones' ear with info about O'Neal.

SEVENTH ROUND There is a war room thread I read somewhere that depicts Dallas' conversation about Courtney Brown and Alan Ball. I'm not sure when they became targets, but it appears that both were when Dallas drafted Brown at No. 212. The Cowboys had to choose between them at that pick, so they had to be elated to be able to also get Ball at pick 237.

Sorry if I rambled on too long, but I just wanted to discuss the draft from the viewpoint of looking at who Dallas clearly wanted. I think it's obvious that Spencer, Stanback and Ball were targeted by the Cowboys, while the others might have been victims of circumstance or alternate choices ... so I'll keep an eye especially on how those players turn out and look forward to what Dallas does with Cleveland's pick next year knowing that the Cowboys still got the player they wanted.
 

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Good post.

For what it's worth, Mickey said on one interview I heard (Talkin' Cowboys?) that Steve Smith was the guy we really wanted in Round 2. If the Giants hadn't taken him, we might not have traded back from there.
 

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I don't know how you can come to the conclusion of who Dallas wanted as a first choice in a particular round, but since he was taken, they defaulted to a second choice, since none of the warroom members gave implicit or explicit evidence that.
 

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SultanOfSix;1491986 said:
I don't know how you can come to the conclusion of who Dallas wanted as a first choice in a particular round, but since he was taken, they defaulted to a second choice, since none of the warroom members gave implicit or explicit evidence that.

I believe, as I explained, that there is pretty convincing evidence concerning Spencer, Stanback and Ball, either through Jones or Ireland's comments, prior knowledge such as Mosley's blog or other sources (DMN's blog on DeOssie, the war room "conversation").

Some of it, such as whether Dallas preferred Folk or Medlock, you're right, we have no true evidence either way, but I do believe we can look at the possibility that the pick is reactionary based on when a player was taken (like I said, Folk going 18 picks after Medlock could be telling).

I find it interesting to look at the possibilites, but more so, the players we DO have evidence that Dallas was targeting.
 

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First round we did target Spencer. Third round we did target Marten not a WR. Jones said himself that wasn't a day one priority. Fourth round Stanback was the target. We drafted him with the first of our two picks because we caught word at least two or three teams we going to draft him before our second pick in that round. DeOssie was the target with the second pick in the fourth round but Free was higher on the draft board and filled a bigger hole than DeOssie would have. Everything I've heard and read on Folk indicates he was the kicker we wanted because of his kickoffs. Anderson was obviously on their list as they traded up to get him. Brown and Ball were the "best available" when we drafted in the seventh. I heard Mickey talking about Steve Smith also, but the run up to our 53rd pick was full of players we had targeted so we moved back. Listening to Ireland, Phillips and Jones discuss the picks it's easy to now look back and see the draft strategy.
 

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the question is, if we were able to draft Steve Smith in round 2, Medlock in round 6, as well as LeRon McClain, and in round 4, at the spot we took Stanback, we take Zak DeOssie, how much better will our haul look?

so say this is our draft

1. Spencer
2. Steve Smith
4. Zak DeOssie
6. Jason Medlock
6. LeRon McClain
7. Courtney Brown
7. Alan Ball
 

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big dog cowboy;1492011 said:
Third round we did target Marten not a WR. Jones said himself that wasn't a day one priority.

I heard Mickey talking about Steve Smith also, but the run up to our 53rd pick was full of players we had targeted so we moved back. Listening to Ireland, Phillips and Jones discuss the picks it's easy to now look back and see the draft strategy.

I wasn't saying we were targeting a receiver in the third, but rather in the second ... like the second part of your response says.

Obviously, the second round didn't work out in a way that Dallas could get a player it wanted, so the Cowboys traded back and got Marten. I still believe Usama Young was a possible target with that pick (because of Dallas' predraft interest), but Marten could have been the main guy we wanted.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1492016 said:
the question is, if we were able to draft Steve Smith in round 2, Medlock in round 6, as well as LeRon McClain, and in round 4, at the spot we took Stanback, we take Zak DeOssie, how much better will our haul look?

so say this is our draft

1. Spencer
2. Steve Smith
4. Zak DeOssie
6. Jason Medlock
6. LeRon McClain
7. Courtney Brown
7. Alan Ball

No offensive linemen would have been disappointing.

Fans would have exploded if two of our first three picks were used on linebackers.
 

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gimmesix;1492042 said:
No offensive linemen would have been disappointing.

Fans would have exploded if two of our first three picks were used on linebackers.


I wholeheartedly agree. Two areas that have plagued Dallas over the last few years have been OL and Kicker. Dallas has since used free agency to adequately shore up both spots in the short run, and has now used the draft to solidify them (hopefully) long-term. While experts like to criticize Dallas for drafting OL and Kicker in the second day, I for one think this strategy was masterful.

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Bob Sacamano;1492016 said:
the question is, if we were able to draft Steve Smith in round 2, Medlock in round 6, as well as LeRon McClain, and in round 4, at the spot we took Stanback, we take Zak DeOssie, how much better will our haul look?

so say this is our draft

1. Spencer
2. Steve Smith
4. Zak DeOssie
6. Jason Medlock
6. LeRon McClain
7. Courtney Brown
7. Alan Ball
We couldn't have picked DeOssie with our 4th pick. He was gone.

To Gimme: Bravo. Great post. Though I would add that we were also targeting Free in the 4th. What we know is that we were deciding on whether to take Free, DeOssie, or Stanback first in the 4th. This is certainly evident from the cheering that took place when he fell to us.
 

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SultanOfSix;1491986 said:
I don't know how you can come to the conclusion of who Dallas wanted as a first choice in a particular round, but since he was taken, they defaulted to a second choice, since none of the warroom members gave implicit or explicit evidence that.
Jeez Sultan, I feel like I need to be cross examined now.
 

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theogt;1492054 said:
We couldn't have picked DeOssie with our 4th pick. He was gone.

To Gimme: Bravo. Great post. Though I would add that we were also targeting Free in the 4th. What we know is that we were deciding on whether to take Free, DeOssie, or Stanback first in the 4th. This is certainly evident from the cheering that took place when he fell to us.

:fact:

but don't let that stop him :D
 

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I have to admit, I was disappointed when Brian Leonard was taken right in front of our pick...oh well.
 

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theogt;1492054 said:
We couldn't have picked DeOssie with our 4th pick. He was gone.

To Gimme: Bravo. Great post. Though I would add that we were also targeting Free in the 4th. What we know is that we were deciding on whether to take Free, DeOssie, or Stanback first in the 4th. This is certainly evident from the cheering that took place when he fell to us.

I haven't seen much to support that Dallas was targeting Free in the fourth (doesn't mean it wasn't, just that I haven't seen that information), although it is clear that the Cowboys were happy he was there.

From what I read, it looks like Stanback was the priority and DeOssie was next in line. Whether they were initially targeting Free or not, it certainly would have been a good idea from a value standpoint.

I do seem to remember, or at least think I remember, reading something, though, about Dallas working out Free the week before the draft.
 

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I believe on one of the draft day pc's, Jerry said that in the third they actually debated on which OT to take(Marten or Free). Knowing other teams were interested in Stanback they took him with the 1st fourth rounder, while hoping that DeOssie or Free fell to the second.

They probably thought their best chance was to get DeOssie since Free was rated a third rounder. Thats why they celebrated when Free was available, he was a guy that they didn't expect to be there.

They've also said that Coach Read really liked Folk, and had faced him in college. I don't think they were targeting Medlock, but I think that with Medlock off the board, Folk was most teams best kicker available so they felt they needed to take him.

On the trade up for Deon Anderson, I think they must felt another team ahead of them was going to take him.
 

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theogt;1492054 said:
We couldn't have picked DeOssie with our 4th pick. He was gone.

I think that he was saying if we used the early 4th round pick that we used to tack Stanback, we could have had DeOssie.

I think that pick was one we had to trade up to get... so I assumed he was saying if we traded up to get DeOssie, we could have had him at the 4th pick of the 4th round.

That's just what I thought he was saying. I could be wrong though.
 

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speedkilz88;1493836 said:
I believe on one of the draft day pc's, Jerry said that in the third they actually debated on which OT to take(Marten or Free). Knowing other teams were interested in Stanback they took him with the 1st fourth rounder, while hoping that DeOssie or Free fell to the second.

They probably thought their best chance was to get DeOssie since Free was rated a third rounder. Thats why they celebrated when Free was available, he was a guy that they didn't expect to be there.

Had not heard or read this. It's interesting, though, and understandable considering where some had Free rated. It also would make him similar in some regards to Jason Witten, since Dallas bypassed Witten but was still able to get him a round later. In this case, though, Dallas actually bypassed Free twice and was still able to get him.

speedkilz88;1493836 said:
They've also said that Coach Read really liked Folk, and had faced him in college. I don't think they were targeting Medlock, but I think that with Medlock off the board, Folk was most teams best kicker available so they felt they needed to take him.

Yeah, I'm not sure how much Medlock being taken might have hurried the Folk pick or affected it otherwise. There's not enough info to judge.

I will say that it is clear from statements by Dallas that it wanted a guy who was strong on kickoffs and it appears that Folk is better in that area than Medlock.

speedkilz88;1493836 said:
On the trade up for Deon Anderson, I think they must felt another team ahead of them was going to take him.

Trading up shows Dallas clearly wanted him at that point, but I don't know if it was because other fullbacks the Cowboys wanted more were off the board or they felt he was the last real option.
 

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AsthmaField;1493846 said:
I think that he was saying if we used the early 4th round pick that we used to tack Stanback, we could have had DeOssie.

I think that pick was one we had to trade up to get... so I assumed he was saying if we traded up to get DeOssie, we could have had him at the 4th pick of the 4th round.

That's just what I thought he was saying. I could be wrong though.

Almost all his picks (starting with Smith) are players who were taken before Dallas picked, so I think this is more of a what-if scenario ... what the draft would have looked like if the players Dallas was targeting had been available.
 

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gimmesix;1493853 said:
Almost all his picks (starting with Smith) are players who were taken before Dallas picked, so I think this is more of a what-if scenario ... what the draft would have looked like if the players Dallas was targeting had been available.

Yeah, I know it was a "what if" scenario. I was just replying to theogt who said DeOssie went before our 4th round pick. I was saying that I thought Bob was describing what we could have done if we traded up for DeOssie, just like we did Stanback, then we could have had Zac there.
 
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