Cowboys open to bringing back Josh Brent

[burmafrd]

If somehow Aaron Hernandez is available in 1-2 years, someone here probably would be starting a thread to sign him.

of course. Real Fans want anyone that SUPPOSEDLY can play. Does not matter if he rapes, murders, etc. Have you not got that memo? Look at those that wanted to bring in Vick for a look.

 

[85Cowboy85]

For me the key is what is going to reduce the chance of Josh Brent reoffending the most? I think resigning him would give him the best chance to stay sober if the Cowboys put a proper program in place.

Since I also think he will help the team as a player I favor it. But I understand why people are going to have their objections.

 

[jday]

Well, let's be honest, Brent has had serious drinking issues dating back to college, and he was busted with drugs AFTER this accident.

I'm still not sure that's what the Cowboys coaches are talking about when they say RKG. I think it has more to do with their on the field work ethic and how they mesh with the other players on the team...I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean they are immune to irresponsible mistakes.

 

[Stash]

Put me down as a "No".

 

[Fletch]

I know people who got 20 years for DUI manslaughter. He got off light.

Yep. His name is Leonard Little, former Ram; Donte Stallworth, former Brownie, etc.

 

[The Natural]

Put me down as a "No".

I'll second that one. Dudes a damn bum, there's probably a few 300+ lb CZ posters I'd bring to camp before considering Brent

 

[TwoDeep3]

I think about the uproar on this site when Donte Stallworth killed a man while driving under the influence. I remember threads bragging about how long it had been since Dallas had a criminal on the squad.

Seems the color of laundry a killer wears changes opinions around these parts.

I'm pretty tolerant. But this may go past my line in the sand.

And I'm certain not one person had anything to say about Ray Lewis when he went to trial for murder. Or cursed Michael Vick for killing dogs.

Irvin hurt himself and his family. He hurt the team

Brent drove drunk in college. So this is not a first for him.

He killed a man repeating behavior he had shown before.

It is not up to me to forgive or not forgive. I am not in the decision making position on this man as far as his employment goes.

But if the short amount of time he's been in jail is all the punishment he has to pay, then maybe not ever playing football again will assuage some of his responsibility.

This is about character. And no one will tell me what RKG means when a huge character issue is involved where people lose their lives.

This just fits my view of the leadership of this franchise.

 

[Doomsday101]

of course. Real Fans want anyone that SUPPOSEDLY can play. Does not matter if he rapes, murders, etc. Have you not got that memo? Look at those that wanted to bring in Vick for a look.

Not necessarily I think it depends on the player and the circumstances involved. There was nothing premeditated about this, he made a foolish choice drinking and driving, not only costing the life of a teammate but a lifelong friend. Browns own mother was forgiving which I doubt she would have had this been done with malice intent. I don't approve of what Brent did and I have no problem with the penalty he has to deal with. As for returning It would come with a very short leash in his actions on and off the field. I don’t say this because I think Brent is some big time impact player we can’t live without he is not. He is young guy who made a big mistake and is paying for it.

As for guys like Vick no because his action were with intent and very distrubing and crule. I'm sure some will make claims of putting value on animals life over a person but that is not the case what Brent did was not intentional and Vicks was.

 

[Vintage]

I am not sure about his talent. But anything that could push Hayden further from a roster spot, I am fine with.

 

[Hoofbite]

For me the key is what is going to reduce the chance of Josh Brent reoffending the most? I think resigning him would give him the best chance to stay sober if the Cowboys put a proper program in place.

Since I also think he will help the team as a player I favor it. But I understand why people are going to have their objections.

Taking a cab will prevent him from reoffending.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Um, seriously? Just because the guy drank and drive, you are saying he is not an RKG? He made a bad decision. That's no where close to being the same thing as having poor character. Granted, guys with poor character tend to make bad decision's, but RKG's make bad decisions too...especially when they are young.

Character is defined by the decisions you make. What else would determine a character? Hitler might've been a delight to be around, but his decisions ultimately determined his character. This wasn't one bad decision. It wasn't the first time he got a DUI. And I don't buy a correlation between alcoholism and drunk driving. Alcoholism is the body's dependency on a chemical. You literally get the shakes if you don't have a drink. That has nothing to do with making poor decisions. He already had a DUI in college and he continued to drive drunk until he killed someone. How many more bad decisions before it impacts his character? I got a DUI before. I was sleeping in a parking lot with the keys in my pocket. Granted, I'd driven drunk before the time I got caught. But that was enough to get me to stop drinking and driving. I didn't stop drinking. I still drank while I was on probation and not allowed to. But I had the sense to not drive to a bar. That happened 4 years ago and I've walked to the bar ever since. Continuing to drink and drive after multiple DUIs is a sign of bad character. It says that you're still not willing to alter your ways even after putting people in serious danger. I'm not telling him to go cold turkey and quit drinking. But have the decency to stop drinking and driving.

 

[Doomsday101]

Character is defined by the decisions you make. What else would determine a character? Hitler might've been a delight to be around, but his decisions ultimately determined his character. This wasn't one bad decision. It wasn't the first time he got a DUI. And I don't buy a correlation between alcoholism and drunk driving. Alcoholism is the body's dependency on a chemical. You literally get the shakes if you don't have a drink. That has nothing to do with making poor decisions. He already had a DUI in college and he continued to drive drunk until he killed someone. How many more bad decisions before it impacts his character? I got a DUI before. I was sleeping in a parking lot with the keys in my pocket. Granted, I'd driven drunk before the time I got caught. But that was enough to get me to stop drinking and driving. I didn't stop drinking. I still drank while I was on probation and now allowed to. But I had the sense to not drive to a bar. That happened 4 years ago and I've walked to the bar ever since. Continuing to drink and drive after multiple DUIs is a sign of bad character. It says that you're still not willing to alter your ways even after putting people in serious danger. I'm not telling him to go cold turkey and quit drinking. But have the decency to stop drinking and driving.

True but when someone used Hernandez as some example, there is a differance between a guy with the intent to drive a person to a location to then put 2 bullets in his head. I don't condone what Brent did and if the Cowboys and other team choose to stay away I fully understand their feeling in doing so but some of the comparision to people committ crimes with intent vs 2 guys out drinking and driving is different. Same with Dwayne Goodrich he killed a man because he was drinking a driving and then fled the scene would I want him back? No but then the cercumstances involved are also different.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

True but when someone used Hernandez as some example, there is a differance between a guy with the intent to drive a person to a location to then put 2 bullets in his head. I don't condone what Brent did and if the Cowboys and other team choose to stay away I fully understand their feeling in doing so but some of the comparision to people committ crimes with intent vs 2 guys out drinking and driving is different. Same with Dwayne Goodrich he killed a man because he was drinking a driving and then fled the scene would I want him back? No but then the cercumstances involved are also different.

I was talking more about the repeat offender part. I admit, some people might not view drinking and driving as such a big deal. I didn't before I got a DUI. But you can't honestly come out of a first DUI and still not view it as a big deal. So for him to continue to do it after a first DUI (not even mentioning him killing someone) is a sign of a bad character. It's a selfish personality trait that shows you don't care if you kill someone (which he went on to do).

 

[visionary]

Sad day as a cowboy fan
Sadder still, but not surprising in the least, to see the usual suspects defend the decision

Bring on Aaron Hernandez and Michael Vick so that we can "help" them too

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

While we are at it lets bring in the unabomber, and if hernadez doesn't get convicted, him as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was talking more about the repeat offender part. I admit, some people might not view drinking and driving as such a big deal. I didn't before I got a DUI. But you can't honestly come out of a first DUI and still not view it as a big deal. So for him to continue to do it after a first DUI (not even mentioning him killing someone) is a sign of a bad character. It's a selfish personality trait that shows you don't care if you kill someone (which he went on to do).

I agree the fact he did have a run in with the law on drinking and driving while in college and did not learn from it is something I would consider. I do think drinking and driving is a big deal but I think losing a vey close friend which Brown was would be hard for anyone to deal with. As I said I would not blame any team for not wanting him but I think looking at the situation as a whole I would still be reluctant and would have Brent on a short leash but I would be willing to give him a chance

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...remains-a-champion-of-courage-forgiveness.ece

I saw this story and did not know all of this and how the organization and Garrett have continued their ties and relationship with Browns mother.

 

[popp1234]

Two things that have been completely obvious for a long time now: The Cowboys would welcome Brent back, and people will misunderstand what RKG means for, what, the thousandth time. Seriously, guys, it's not even believable that you don't know what that term means by now.

Yes, everybody knows it means "Really Kool Guy"....or is it "Really Kind Guy"? Rats! I always forget which one.

 

[perrykemp]

For me the key is what is going to reduce the chance of Josh Brent reoffending the most? I think resigning him would give him the best chance to stay sober if the Cowboys put a proper program in place.
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Didn't Brent have a program in place when he was on probation for his previous DUI? I believe that probation ended shortly before he decided to drive at 110 - 134 mph (according to estimates) in a 45 mph zone while drunk -- killing his teammate.

You think that might have sobered him up.

Instead, while awaiting trial where his whole future was up in the air he failed a drug test. Then a month later he failed a 2nd drug test.

I try to keep an open mind about his but I find it difficult to accept Josh Brent is anything but a complete menace to society. He is a another fatal accident waiting to happen.

 

[TrailBlazer]

of course. Real Fans want anyone that SUPPOSEDLY can play. Does not matter if he rapes, murders, etc. Have you not got that memo? Look at those that wanted to bring in Vick for a look.

Comparing rape and murder to what Vick did.

 

[jday]

Character is defined by the decisions you make. What else would determine a character? Hitler might've been a delight to be around, but his decisions ultimately determined his character. This wasn't one bad decision. It wasn't the first time he got a DUI. And I don't buy a correlation between alcoholism and drunk driving. Alcoholism is the body's dependency on a chemical. You literally get the shakes if you don't have a drink. That has nothing to do with making poor decisions. He already had a DUI in college and he continued to drive drunk until he killed someone. How many more bad decisions before it impacts his character? I got a DUI before. I was sleeping in a parking lot with the keys in my pocket. Granted, I'd driven drunk before the time I got caught. But that was enough to get me to stop drinking and driving. I didn't stop drinking. I still drank while I was on probation and not allowed to. But I had the sense to not drive to a bar. That happened 4 years ago and I've walked to the bar ever since. Continuing to drink and drive after multiple DUIs is a sign of bad character. It says that you're still not willing to alter your ways even after putting people in serious danger. I'm not telling him to go cold turkey and quit drinking. But have the decency to stop drinking and driving.

You almost lost me at "Hitler." But I couldn't help myself and kept reading only to learn that I'm having an argument with a kettle. That's where I draw the line in debating.