Cowboys open to bringing back Josh Brent

[Hoofbite]

Didn't Brent have a program in place when he was on probation for his previous DUI? I believe that probation ended shortly before he decided to drive at 110 - 134 mph (according to estimates) in a 45 mph zone while drunk -- killing his teammate.

You think that might have sobered him up.

Instead, while awaiting trial where his whole future was up in the air he failed a drug test. Then a month later he failed a 2nd drug test.

I try to keep an open mind about his but I find it difficult to accept Josh Brent is anything but a complete menace to society. He is a another fatal accident waiting to happen.

Well put.

 

[Alexander]

I try to keep an open mind about his but I find it difficult to accept Josh Brent is anything but a complete menace to society. He is a another fatal accident waiting to happen.

He is not a menace. I just think he is really really really stupid. Like dangerous to others stupid.

 

[perrykemp]

While we are at it lets bring in the unabomber, and if hernadez doesn't get convicted, him as well.

I think Ray Carruth is up for probation in the next couple of years.... maybe hold open the #5 WR spot for Ray?

 

[85Cowboy85]

Taking a cab will prevent him from reoffending.

The DUI recidivism rate is enormous. In this study they found that 21% with a prior DUI will reoffend within five years. The risk is highest the first six months.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2009/aug/5/tn-study-finds-dui-offenders-have-high-recidivism/

Telling them to call a taxi is fine advice but it's not likely to reduce the risk.

Do whatever you can to motivate him to stay clean IMO.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Two things that have been completely obvious for a long time now: The Cowboys would welcome Brent back, and people will misunderstand what RKG means for, what, the thousandth time. Seriously, guys, it's not even believable that you don't know what that term means by now.

Pretty embarrassing at this point.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Move on Cowboys.

 

[theSHOW]

What exactly was the going rate?

Do you find a mans life funny? Jerry Brown and Josh were close friends. What exactly do you not understand?

 

[Hoofbite]

The DUI recidivism rate is enormous. In this study they found that 21% with a prior DUI will reoffend within five years. The risk is highest the first six months.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2009/aug/5/tn-study-finds-dui-offenders-have-high-recidivism/

Telling them to call a taxi is fine advice but it's not likely to reduce the risk.

And putting them on an NFL roster will?

Josh Brent is one of the 21% of repeat offenders and his repeat occurred while on the team.

Would it be good for him to figure it out? Absolutely.

Does that require that Dallas turn into a 12 step facility? Absolutely not.

At some point personal responsibility and desire to clean up has to be there. What's best for Josh Brent is for Josh Brent to want to change. Giving him all the opportunity in the world doesn't matter if he doesn't take it upon himself first.

 

[daveferr33]

Two things that have been completely obvious for a long time now: The Cowboys would welcome Brent back, and people will misunderstand what RKG means for, what, the thousandth time. Seriously, guys, it's not even believable that you don't know what that term means by now.

That's fine. But what is RKG about getting in trouble with the law and taking yourself away from the team for an extended period of time?

RKGs love football so much that they don't jeopardize their football career because they put football first, have passion for the game, etc.

“First and foremost we want good football players, guys who are talented enough to do their job,” Garrett said earlier this summer. “That’s a really important thing. But at the same time we believe you can get guys who are not only talented but do things the right way, want to be a good teammate, want to be a part of a good team and go about the job the right way and guys who are true pros.

“My experience has been that you win with those kinds of guys.”

Source: http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...-right-kind-of-guys-jason-garrett-desires.ece

Again, was Josh's decision to drink and drive being a good teammate? Does it show he wants to be part of the team or be a true pro?

 

[theSHOW]

I'll second that one. Dudes a damn bum, there's probably a few 300+ lb CZ posters I'd bring to camp before considering Brent

like who? lol

 

[theSHOW]

And putting them on an NFL roster will?

Josh Brent is one of the 21% of repeat offenders and his repeat occurred while on the team.

Would it be good for him to figure it out? Absolutely.

Does that require that Dallas turn into a 12 step facility? Absolutely not.

At some point personal responsibility and desire to clean up has to be there. What's best for Josh Brent is for Josh Brent to want to change. Giving him all the opportunity in the world doesn't matter if he doesn't take it upon himself first.

I agree...but I want him on the team if he is ready, in shape, and wins a job on the line.

 

[Hoofbite]

Do you find a mans life funny? Jerry Brown and Josh were close friends. What exactly do you not understand?

Not at all. I just think it's a bit ridiculous to say he's paid his debt two-fold simply because he was an acquaintance of Jerry Brown.

While he may have valued Jerry Brown's life to a greater extent than unknown strangers I don't think that lowers his debt to be paid because he could have killed anyone.

 

[NJ22]

Wonder how everyone would feel about Mr. " Paid his dues in 180 days" if instead of a poor practice squad player fighting for a roster spot it was Dez, Romo or Witten that he killed that night....probably a little less interested in seeing him wear a star again...

 

[Hoofbite]

I agree...but I want him on the team if he is ready, in shape, and wins a job on the line.

Well he won't be ready or in shape. He's been out of football for 18 months.

Could he win a job in that condition? On this line, I wouldn't bet against it.

If the team brings him back, they shouldn't do it until after 2014. He's not going to help in 2014 because he's going to be so out of shape it isn't funny. Make him at least prove he's learned something out of all of this and stay clean until next offseason.

 

[jday]

I'll second that one. Dudes a damn bum, there's probably a few 300+ lb CZ posters I'd bring to camp before considering Brent

As it turns out, 300 lb plus players are exactly what the attacking 4-3 looks for in a 1-tech DT.

 

[Idgit]

That's fine. But what is RKG about getting in trouble with the law and taking yourself away from the team for an extended period of time?

RKGs love football so much that they don't jeopardize their football career because they put football first, have passion for the game, etc.

By that definition, Michael Irvin was not the right kind of guy. If that's the case, then I don't want the right kinds of guys on my team in the first place. The league is full of passionate, talented football players who have made huge mistakes in their personal lives.

The Cowboys, though, have really gone over and above with both Brent and Jerry Brown's families in this case. I think they really are making a point of taking care of their own, and that it extends beyond football. For example, if it had been Brent who'd died and Brown who lived, I don't think the team would have handled it any differently. Of course, if Brent can play, he'll get his chance to play again, too, but that's a function of his ability and of the commitment he showed in the first place.

 

[85Cowboy85]

And putting them on an NFL roster will?

Josh Brent is one of the 21% of repeat offenders and his repeat occurred while on the team.

Would it be good for him to figure it out? Absolutely.

Does that require that Dallas turn into a 12 step facility? Absolutely not.

At some point personal responsibility and desire to clean up has to be there. What's best for Josh Brent is for Josh Brent to want to change. Giving him all the opportunity in the world doesn't matter if he doesn't take it upon himself first.

Of course there's no guarantee. But Jerry has a huge number of resources at his disposal that most DUI offenders do not have access to.

If you think his number is 21% flat no matter what Jerry does then I'm not going to convince you. I don't pretend to understand the pathology of someone like Brent.

I'm simply of the mind that I would rather try to do something and fail then do nothing. If we can even reduce that number from 21% to 18% it's worth it to me.

 

[daveferr33]

By that definition, Michael Irvin was not the right kind of guy. If that's the case, then I don't want the right kinds of guys on my team in the first place. The league is full of passionate, talented football players who have made huge mistakes in their personal lives.

The Cowboys, though, have really gone over and above with both Brent and Jerry Brown's families in this case. I think they really are making a point of taking care of their own, and that it extends beyond football. For example, if it had been Brent who'd died and Brown who lived, I don't think the team would have handled it any differently. Of course, if Brent can play, he'll get his chance to play again, too, but that's a function of his ability and of the commitment he showed in the first place.

I agree. I think by Garrett's definition Michael Irvin is not a RKG.

If that's the case, then I don't want the right kinds of guys on my team in the first place.

And let me clarify. I don't necessarily have a problem with Brent coming back or the team having other players like him on the team. I would have drafted Janoris Jenkins and Burfict. I have never been enamored with the RKG thing.

But please don't tell me the team only allows so called RKGs on this roster and that Brent somehow fits Garrett's definition.

 

[Risen Star]

Doesn't Brent seem like an odd fit for this defense?

 

[renny]

Whenever Josh Brent becomes eligible play, he will be the 1 tech. Just Saying.