Cowboys open to bringing back Josh Brent

[erod]

How does a 2nd DUI and killing a man qualify as a functional alcoholic?

I mean in the sense that he can be a hard drinker and still show up for work every day, a la Jerry Jones.

I once had a boss like that.

 

[starfrombirth]

I mean in the sense that he can be a hard drinker and still show up for work every day, a la Jerry Jones.

I once had a boss like that.

ahhh.. sorry, I thought you were referring to Brent, not JJ.

 

[Doomsday101]

It absolutely was premeditated. The NFL has a program in place to provide you a driver, free of charge, if you're going to drink. To not take advantage of this and instead choose to drive is premeditated.

We disagree. I understand the NFL has a program in place and I also understand people who are drinking too much tend to use bad judgment. There was no intention of killing his roommate and friend. I don't condone the action at all and I have no issue with the courts finding and penalty. I don't believe for one second that he willfully or thought out that he would have too much to drink then drive so that he could kill his friend.

 

[Idgit]

A lot of people have been touched by alcohol in their lives, which is at least part of the reason why these threads are sensitive. The circumstances of Brent's arrest and Jerry's death are what they are and people aren't going to change their minds about them at this late date. The reality of that score is, though, that the legal obligations have been met--or will be met very soon.

The moral question of whether or not the Cowboys should want Brent back is moot, as they've already said they're open to it. I will say, as I always do on the topic that Brent obviously bears a ton of responsibility for what happened. Let's also not forget, though, that Brown got in the car with a driver he knew had been drinking, and then sat through a high-speed ride in very dangerous circumstances without bothering to put his safety belt on. His judgement might have been worse than Brent's given that he wasn't as impaired. He's just, tragically, not around to accept his share of the responsibility.

The only open football question is whether or not this is a guy with the makeup to be on your team given what you've expressed you look for in players for your roster. Physically, he definitely was, but it's an open question whether that's still the case after a year and change off. Mentally, if he's got a dependency issue, he's not fit to take up a spot. Emotionally, if he no longer has the fire, or if the ordeal essentially broke him as a player, that would disqualify him, too. All you can really do at this point is bring the guy in and see where he's at and then make your decision based off of whether or not he can produce in a try out. And I'm sure that's what ends up happening.

 

[khiladi]

frankly that should not matter at all.

Yeah, it should... They, more than likely, have way more concern for the victim than you ever could. Who the hell is 'society' in relation to close blood in situations such as this, such that one has to repay 'debts to society', but the relatives, such as mom and dad of the victim don't matter?

 

[khiladi]

Just because his relatives forgave him and didn't want him suspended doesn't mean he is mentally fit to play football. He kills a teammate on his 2ND DUI, violates conditions of his bond by consuming alcohol and also tampering with the device that detects the presence of alcohol in his body. Then fails a drug test by testing positive for weed while awaiting trial. This guy is a drug and alcohol abuser and on top of it all he is dumb as hell. So tired of even hearing his name.

I'm not arguing this point at all. The organization has to do what is in it's best interests.

My point was in relation to the idea of his 'court order' sentence being light, while his family forgave him. It's not a joke in light of the fact his family forgave him.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Well it's a good thing they have a bench and weights in the yard I guess.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

He's a long shot after his DUI conviction (not his 1st.)

Then after saying he's going to turn his life around he has failed two drug tests.

If anyone begging for Josh Brent to come back to the Cowboys is a hiring manager for a job I like, please send me a private message .... the screening process is a cakewalk.

 

[scooper]

I hope nothing but the best for Josh but does he fit kiffins scheme?

 

[ufcrules1]

I also hope nothing but the best for him. Just stay away from my team.

 

[jobberone]

Exactly.There are many reasons it doesn't make any sense at all...but that what stop Jerry who knows it all.

Like some here think??

 

[fifaguy]

Just wish we'd be consistent with this whole RKG thing. We passed on some good players because of character concerns. Imagine if we had Vontaze Burflict and Janoris Jenkins (and an extra 1st round pick since we would have passed on Claiborne).

^^^ this x100

 

[BAT]

I'd rather take a gamble on Will Hill. Dude can play. Living in NY have seen a good amount of him. Giants fans were not happy they let him go even w his pot problems.

This is the kind of low risk high reward "gambles" the Cowboys need to make. When it comes down to it talent trumps RKGs.

Hill would also come cheap. No brainer.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I'm tempted to join http://www.hr.com/en/app/forum/ and link this thread.

Why? If it's not obvious, for the 99.99% of the rest of us, a resume/application that goes to Human Resources that looks like Josh's alcohol/drug record is DOA....HR members at said forum would be LOL.

He's had several times to get it right and still can stay sober - why couldn't he stop it so we could sympathize with him?

I did not want him to commit NFL suicide, but he's already done that several times.

We see tragedies of people that never learn or learn too late - this is one of them.

 

[jobberone]

I'm tempted to join http://www.hr.com/en/app/forum/ and link this thread.

Why? If it's not obvious, for the 99.99% of the rest of us, a resume/application that goes to Human Resources that looks like Josh's alcohol/drug record is DOA....HR members at said forum would be LOL.

He's had several times to get it right and still can stay sober - why couldn't he stop it so we could sympathize with him?

I did not want him to commit NFL suicide, but he's already done that several times.

We see tragedies of people that never learn or learn too late - this is one of them.

There is a difference in hiring someone with baggage and supporting someone you've already hired and is part of the 'family'. The Cowboys should do whatever they consider to be the right thing. And I'm sure all are heavily influenced by the mother's wishes for the Boys to help him as well as him being a teammate. The guy in the foxhole next to you is your brother.

 

[ufcrules1]

There is a difference in hiring someone with baggage and supporting someone you've already hired and is part of the 'family'. The Cowboys should do whatever they consider to be the right thing. And I'm sure all are heavily influenced by the mother's wishes for the Boys to help him as well as him being a teammate. The guy in the foxhole next to you is your brother.

The mothers wishes don't mean jack squat with regards to football. He is a brain dead player, the Cowboys should stay far away from him and very likely will.

 

[jobberone]

The mothers wishes don't mean jack squat with regards to football. He is a brain dead player, the Cowboys should stay far away from him and very likely will.

Well, you are dead wrong on this one speaking in regards to the mother's wishes. How heart wrenching can it be to listen to that plea of love, forgiveness and mercy? You really think one can walk away from that unaffected?

Even so your opinion nor mine means squat. The Boys will do what's in the best interest of the Cowboys, Brent, and the NFL. And they will have the blessing of the NFL in doing so.

As you grow older even grouchy old guys like me become more tender, loving and forgiving. Maybe you're just out of practice.

 

[ufcrules1]

Well, you are dead wrong on this one speaking in regards to the mother's wishes. How heart wrenching can it be to listen to that plea of love, forgiveness and mercy? You really think one can walk away from that unaffected?

Yes, 100%. This is a business, you make business decisions as an organization, not emotional ones.

As you grow older even grouchy old guys like me become more tender, loving and forgiving. Maybe you're just out of practice.

I have actually gotten softer as I have aged. You are just looking at this from an emotional standpoint and I am looking at it from a business standpoint. Much the same way I always do with the Cowboys. I don't wear rose colored glasses, or emotional glasses, I just tell it like it is. Josh Brent is a freaking idiot period and he has PROVEN that over and over. It is 100% undeniable. A respectful organization would want no part of a player like that.

 

[Joe Realist]

Just because they said it, does not mean it will happen. Josh Brent will not play.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

There is a difference in hiring someone with baggage and supporting someone you've already hired and is part of the 'family'. The Cowboys should do whatever they consider to be the right thing. And I'm sure all are heavily influenced by the mother's wishes for the Boys to help him as well as him being a teammate. The guy in the foxhole next to you is your brother.

There are differences, but life has taught me you get a few chances, then people say enough.

I'm not vindictive, and have sympathy.

Even in a corporate situation, you can be loved and respected, but welcome mats can and have been worn out. My suggestion to link this thread to that HR forum was to get people to think.