Cowboys post-combine draft #1

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1) Antoine Cason (CB)
1) James Hardy (WR)
2) Red Bryant (NT)
3) Terrence Wheatley (CB)
4) Justin Forsett (RB)
5) Darrell Robertson (LB)
6) Dennis Dixon (QB)
7) Jordy Lipsey (C)

Why?

First and foremost, this team must improve at CB. We lost Reeves and upgrading Nate Jones' position is important for dime situations. Cason isn't a blazer but he's not slow, has decent size, great intelligence and instincts. Wheatley is smaller but is very fast and cat quick. Both of these guys bring ball skills that Reeves and Jones were sorely lacking.

I'm not sure where Hardy's value really lies on the draft board. Realistically, he could slide into the mid-second or be gone before pick #28. But there are two things I do know about the guy: 1) He has ALL the physical tools to be a big-time number one wiideout in the NFL. And 2) He was highly, HIGHLY productive in college catching balls from a marginal quarterback. At 6-6 and 220, he runs a 4.47 and jumps like a jackrabbit. And while I know that combine workouts can be deceiving, when you pair Hardy's numbers with the 1125 yards and 16 TDs he put up as a senior, I don't think his talent and ability to produce can be denied.

I really debated the second round selection. On the one hand, I love the game-breaking potential of Chris Johnson. He has rare speed, compared to anyone. But when it came down to it I wanted to add a big, space-hogging, run-stuffing rock to the NT rotation so that I could move Ratliff back to DE. Red Bryant will be our Jamaal Williams so Ratliff can be our Luis Castillo.

With Julius undoubtedly moving on, we have a hole to fill at RB. But I think it's more than just a hole. RB is also a position that we can upgrade going into next year. One guy that never comes up in any discussion is Alonzo Coleman, a guy who I think can be a player in the NFL. Is he a starter? Probably not. But he's very quick, shifty and elusive. He impressed me some last year in his limited appearances during the preseason. I think he'd be an upgrade over Thompson at the third RB. The guy I like spelling Marion Barber is the slick little dood out of Cal, Justin Forsett. He's small (compact) but is extremely quick and has great speed. He's also strong, not just for a guy his size, able to break tackles and run inside.

I think when you play a 3-4 defense you need to draft at least one LB every year. And if Robertson is there in the fifth he'll be a great pickup. A DE at Georgia Tech, he's a superb athlete with good size (6-4, 255) and speed, and great explosiveness off the edge. He had 6.5 sacks and 16 TFL in '07.

Dennis Dixon is a superb athlete with the physical tools to make a great developmental prospect at the QB position in the NFL. With nice speed, escapability and a live arm, Dixon showed flashes of brilliance last year.

Typical of Virginia offensive linemen, Lipsey is a bit underweight but a good athlete at his position.
 

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Hardy is really the only pick you have on there that I like, or agree with. But kudos for posting it anyway. :)
 

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BraveHeartFan;1986098 said:
Hardy is really the only pick you have on there that I like, or agree with. But kudos for posting it anyway. :)

I agree, and if we pick Cason in round 1, let alone at #22 I'd PUKE!
 

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ThatsmyQB;1986248 said:
I agree, and if we pick Cason in round 1, let alone at #22 I'd PUKE!

do you also throw up after you eat? lol

I like the picks just don't think we need to draft Red in the 2nd.
 

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2008 Draft Wish List:
Pick 22- WR (Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucett, or James Hardy)

Pick 28- CB (Either Talib or Leonidis or Reggie Smith would be nice)

Second Round Pick- RB (Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, or Jamal Charles )

If Dallas winds up with any combination of 3, from those guys, I might run naked in the streets with joy.


Braveheart. I hear you, but some of that is really in fantasy land...especially Mendenhall in Rd2 and Leonidis at pick 28. How sweet would that be!
 

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DaBoys4Life;1986535 said:
do you also throw up after you eat? lol

I like the picks just don't think we need to draft Red in the 2nd.

Haven't threw up in years, but I woudl again if we picked Cason with the #22 pick, probably have to buy a new remote control for my TV too since I'd probably break it throwing it at the TV also!
 

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DFWJC;1986708 said:
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2008 Draft Wish List:
Pick 22- WR (Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, Early Doucett, or James Hardy)

Pick 28- CB (Either Talib or Leonidis or Reggie Smith would be nice)

Second Round Pick- RB (Ray Rice, Rashard Mendenhall, or Jamal Charles )

If Dallas winds up with any combination of 3, from those guys, I might run naked in the streets with joy.

Braveheart. I hear you, but some of that is really in fantasy land...especially Mendenhall in Rd2 and Leonidis at pick 28. How sweet would that be!

Having Mendenhall in round 2 as a possibility really makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously!
 

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ThatsmyQB;1986749 said:
Haven't threw up in years, but I woudl again if we picked Cason with the #22 pick, probably have to buy a new remote control for my TV too since I'd probably break it throwing it at the TV also!

:lmao2::lmao:

i almost laughed in class
 

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DaBoys4Life;1986758 said:
:lmao2::lmao:

i almost laughed in class

I'm glad you like a corner who's better suited to play in a zone scheme like a tampa 2 and who ran a 4.58 to be our #22 selection, and would also be happy if we used our #22 pick on a mid 2nd rounder in Chris Johnson!
All I have to say is THANK GOD you're not anywhere NEAR our War room!

:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2:


Not to mention you think that ALL 32 teams will PASS on Cason in round 1, and think he'll be available in the end of round 2 and because all 32 teams are WRONG on this guy since you have him going to us in round 2 in your sig, yet you'd be HAPPY with him being picked at #22 in round 1, is this what Jerry meant by WOW?????????
Cause that's all I have to say with your logic is WOW!
 

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ThatsmyQB;1986768 said:
I'm glad you like a corner who's better suited to play in a zone scheme like a tampa 2 and who ran a 4.58 to be our #22 selection, and would also be happy if we used our #22 pick on a mid 2nd rounder in Chris Johnson!
All I have to say is THANK GOD you're not anywhere NEAR our War room!

:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2:


Not to mention you think that ALL 32 teams will PASS on Cason in round 1, and think he'll be available in the end of round 2 and because all 32 teams are WRONG on this guy since you have him going to us in round 2 in your sig, yet you'd be HAPPY with him being picked at #22 in round 1, is this what Jerry meant by WOW?????????
Cause that's all I have to say with your logic is WOW!

Cason ran a 4.49 which is respectable and his knock was his speed and was expected to run a 4.59 which he didn't. CJ isn't a mid second rounder i don't understand why you continue to believe that outside the top 3 RB in the draft that we won't have acess to or need because they won't fit with MB3 he is the #4 RB in my mind. My mock isn't set in stone it doesn't matter where you have Cason CJ or Thomas going at aslong as you have them going to us in a reasonable manor. I don't see how theres that much of a difference between the 1st and 2nd especially consider how late we are picking.
 

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Cason ran a 4.49 which is respectable and his knock was his speed and was expected to run a 4.59 which he didn't.

True, my mistake, thought he ran a lot lower, I just dont' like him, more suited to be a zone guy and better when the play is in fron of him, I just don't EVER see him as a true shutdown C.B. in the NFL and if he's not gonna ever be a SHUTDOWN C.B. he's not worth a #22 pick in round 1, I think he's good but not #22 pick good!


CJ isn't a mid second rounder

According to you and you only, I can't find one site that has him as a 1st rounder!



i don't understaned why you continue to believe that outside the top 3 RB in the draft that we won't have acess to or need because they won't fit with MB3 he is the #4 RB in my mind.

I don't even know what you mean with this!
won't have acessto or need because? W T F?
I l;ike CJ and would LOVE him on our team IF we trade down from #28 to early to mid 2nd round and ESPECIALLY not at #22!



My mock isn't set in stone it doesn't matter where you have Cason CJ or Thomas going at aslong as you have them going to us in a reasonable manor.

EXACTLY, I AGREE, but CJ at 3#2 is NOT REASONABLE since I haven't seen CJ in round 1 of ANY MOCK DRAFT EVER, yet you think it's PERFECTLY REASONABLE to have him going #22 OVERALL?????????

I don't see how theres that much of a difference between the 1st and 2nd especially consider how late we are picking.

HUH??????????
There's not that much of a difference between round 1 and round 2 because of how late we are picking?
What on GODS EARTH are you talking about????????
 

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ThatsmyQB;1986815 said:
True, my mistake, thought he ran a lot lower, I just dont' like him, more suited to be a zone guy and better when the play is in fron of him, I just don't EVER see him as a true shutdown C.B. in the NFL and if he's not gonna ever be a SHUTDOWN C.B. he's not worth a #22 pick in round 1, I think he's good but not #22 pick good!




According to you and you only, I can't find one site that has him as a 1st rounder!





I don't even know what you mean with this!
won't have acessto or need because? W T F?
I l;ike CJ and would LOVE him on our team IF we trade down from #28 to early to mid 2nd round and ESPECIALLY not at #22!





EXACTLY, I AGREE, but CJ at 3#2 is NOT REASONABLE since I haven't seen CJ in round 1 of ANY MOCK DRAFT EVER, yet you think it's PERFECTLY REASONABLE to have him going #22 OVERALL?????????



HUH??????????
There's not that much of a difference between round 1 and round 2 because of how late we are picking?
What on GODS EARTH are you talking about????????

OK

one look at some of my other mocks so you can see why i have CJ at 22
two We are picking late in the 1st round which means that the disparity between the talent is that greats as a top 5 pick.

Big 3 RB Dmac Mendenhall Stewart outside of them CJ is 4th best RB in draft IMO and even if Stewart and Mendenhall are avaiable im not sure how well they will go alongside Barber.

I still say that CJ has 1st round talent and will stick that and its funny because i've seen CJ rank in the 1st round 1-2 round 2nd rock and his stock goes up after the combine he is a first rounder
 

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OK

one look at some of my other mocks so you can see why i have CJ at 22

What does YOU having him go #22 in YOUR MOCK have to do with this?
I said I haven't seen him going in roud 1 in ANY MOCK, meaning mocks on the net, you can't count your OWN MOCK draft as proof he's in someone else's 1st round mock! LOL



two We are picking late in the 1st round which means that the disparity between the talent is that greats as a top 5 pick.

English PLEASE, I don't speak ebonics, HUH????????


Big 3 RB Dmac Mendenhall Stewart outside of them CJ is 4th best RB in draft IMO and even if Stewart and Mendenhall are avaiable im not sure how well they will go alongside Barber.

I don't get what you mean ALONGSIDE Barber, I want a R.B. who when he comes in for Barber can make plays and is a good R.B., Stewart and Mendenhall are a LOT BETTER R.B.'s then CJ and we'd be FOOLISH to pass on one of them because we want the compliment "speed" back to pair with Barber and not just pick the BEST R.B.!



I still say that CJ has 1st round talent and will stick that and its funny because i've seen CJ rank in the 1st round 1-2 round 2nd rock and his stock goes up after the combine he is a first rounder

ENGLISH AGAIN, HUH????????
I dont' understand what this means, you've seen him in the 1st round 1-2 round rock and his stock goes up?
Please explain this, again, I don't speak ebonics!
I think you're saying you at least seen him rank in the 1st round, so can you please post where you've seen him in round 1 please?
I don't know how much his stock went up after the combine since everyone knew prior to the combine that he'd runfast and probably have the fastest 40 time of everyone there, so it was already known he's fast as hell and would run great at the combines anyway.
 

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I like this quite a bit. I love the CB picks, Cason is top notch and I think Wheatley is one of the most underrated players in the draft, he could turn out to be just as good as any CB in the draft. I'm not completely sold on Hardy but I haven't fully looked at all the WRs yet so I'm still open to the idea. I don't really like Forsett that much, I don't think he's going to have the leg strength to do a lot in the NFL. So if the second round pick was a RB like Ray Rice, Chris Johnson or Matt Forte then I would be thrilled with this draft.

As far as the other picks go, I don't think Robertson is going to last to the fifth round, I think Dixon is too thinly built to really stand up to the NFL, but I do think Lipsey would be a good pickup in the 7th, he has quite a bit of potential.

Really it's the CBs that sell me on this draft.
 

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I like it, although if we wait till the 4th to draft a RB, I hope it's Georgia's Thomas Brown, a quick, powerful RB w/ some game-breaking potential, he'd probably hold up better than Forsett

but I like Forsett too, he's a game-breaker
 

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Bob Sacamano;1987027 said:
I like it, although if we wait till the 4th to draft a RB, I hope it's Georgia's Thomas Brown, a quick, powerful RB w/ some game-breaking potential, he'd probably hold up better than Forsett

but I like Forsett too, he's a game-breaker

Brown's an excellent choice. I'd love it.
 

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I like it, though I don't think I would risk a second round pick on a guy who doesn't seem to have a great motor.....having said that I still would draft Red Bryant, just not in the second round. Despite the questionable motor, he is a good leader and it's hard to ignore his measurables.
Forsett is intriguing, though it would make me feel better if the Boys signed a back with starting experience, because I am not sure I want to rely on a guy like Forsett to be the primary carrier should MBII get injured.
 

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What does YOU having him go #22 in YOUR MOCK have to do with this?
I said I haven't seen him going in roud 1 in ANY MOCK, meaning mocks on the net, you can't count your OWN MOCK draft as proof he's in someone else's 1st round mock! LOL

I don't base my mocks off of what i see from other mocks i get a general idea of where the players are rated at than i would change my mock depending on what i feel we need the most. If you look at the mock i had last time i had CJ at 28 and then the one be4 that i believe i had him going to us in the second round.


English PLEASE, I don't speak ebonics, HUH????????

My fault i never knew that disparity was ebonics. Let me break it down the talent levels of picks 20-62 are about the same level theres a huge talent difference between a top 5 pick and a 22nd pick. You don't hold them in the same regard and shouldn't. If you still don't understand beyond that then i don't know.



I don't get what you mean ALONGSIDE Barber, I want a R.B. who when he comes in for Barber can make plays and is a good R.B., Stewart and Mendenhall are a LOT BETTER R.B.'s then CJ and we'd be FOOLISH to pass on one of them because we want the compliment "speed" back to pair with Barber and not just pick the BEST R.B.!

I don't like the idea of having two power backs. They can game plan for both of them very easily and don't have to make many adjustments. The only better all around RB in this draft than CJ is Dmac and no1 in the nation average more all purpose yards per game than CJ in the NCAA so for you to classify him a just a "speed" back is ridic.



ENGLISH AGAIN, HUH????????
I dont' understand what this means, you've seen him in the 1st round 1-2 round rock and his stock goes up?
Please explain this, again, I don't speak ebonics!
I think you're saying you at least seen him rank in the 1st round, so can you please post where you've seen him in round 1 please?
I don't know how much his stock went up after the combine since everyone knew prior to the combine that he'd runfast and probably have the fastest 40 time of everyone there, so it was already known he's fast as hell and would run great at the combines anyway.

Since you can't seem to comprehend what 1-2 means then i will explain it to you. If he's projecting 1-2 that means late first early second. If his stock is on the rise that means he will move out of the early second field and solidify a spot into the late first round.
 

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DaBoys4Life;1986822 said:
Big 3 RB Dmac Mendenhall Stewart outside of them CJ is 4th best RB in draft IMO and even if Stewart and Mendenhall are avaiable im not sure how well they will go alongside Barber.

Why pass on an everydown back for a one dimensional player? Medenhall imo will be an everydown back with home run potential (I also think he'll be gone by 22) so if the choice would be him or CJohnson, I'd take Medenhall without a second thought.

If we take a one dimensional guy, it means we'll be picking another one dimensional guy to replace Barber in 5 years or so cause we'll have a guy we doubt can carry the load himself. Not to mention what will we do if Barber gets injured. We should take the best RB (when ever we pick a RB), not the best compliment.
 

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Manwiththeplan;1987315 said:
Why pass on an everydown back for a one dimensional player? Medenhall imo will be an everydown back with home run potential (I also think he'll be gone by 22) so if the choice would be him or CJohnson, I'd take Medenhall without a second thought.

If we take a one dimensional guy, it means we'll be picking another one dimensional guy to replace Barber in 5 years or so cause we'll have a guy we doubt can carry the load himself. Not to mention what will we do if Barber gets injured. We should take the best RB (when ever we pick a RB), not the best compliment.

Now CJ is one dimensional. If we did keep barber for five years and CJ growth will be enough to be a starter heck MB3 and CJ might both be replace in 5 years. The shelf life for a RB isn't that long its around 6 years i believe. I think you get what fits your system best we built a 2 back system and i think mendenhall can be in a 2 back system i have my doubts about stewart. We don't even know if barber can carry the load his self so why are we going into the draft expecting that out of a rookie RB?

I don't think we need to be planning what if player A gets injured if we are a great team as we feel that we are we should be able to get around some ones injuries. I don't think our offense dies if MB3 gets injured. People have on these boards a misconception that your back ups have to be uber pro athletes and be able to start when a starter goes down the truth is it doesn't always work like that and you can't plan your team on what ifs.
 
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