News: Cowboys restructure Fredrick's and Tyron's contracts

[T-RO]

it is like talking to a brick wall sometimes
DAL does this every year and we have same threads every year

Dez, TCrawford and Lee are next.....then extend Witten
Then deal with Free, Hanna, Wilber, AMorris

Then Romo gets traded/June 1st or re-done

Space Space and more Space and then next year even more Space

You are debating a phantom in your head. Who on the forum said we wouldn't renegotiate some contracts?

Everyone knew the Cowboys were going to use their cap credit card. Just not everyone is foolish enough to think the front office will max it out.

Virtually all businesses use various forms of credit (real or virtual). The smart ones just don't paint themselves in a corner...as you would have them do.

 

[Nightman]

You are debating a phantom in your head. Who on the forum said we wouldn't renegotiate some contracts?

Everyone knew the Cowboys were going to use their cap credit card. Just not everyone is foolish enough to think the front office will max it out.

Virtually all businesses use various forms of credit (real or virtual). The smart ones just don't paint themselves in a corner...as you would have them do.

You say foolish to not max out.......I say an unfired weapon is a paperweight

You care more about JJones' profits........good for you

I would rather have a DE, SS and KR

 

[jobberone]

Is it a good long term strategy? It seems ill conceived and harmful longterm? I don't really know the answer.

I think you need to grab a VFA on occasion but normally you don't do that. Relative low cost VFA safeties and CBs are one area to explore. Players can get by on experience with a modicum of athleticism and often get more TOs based on experience. We need to look for George Teague's and hope we find Adderley's in the trash bin.

 

[Typhus]

I think you need to grab a VFA on occasion but normally you don't do that. Relative low cost VFA safeties and CBs are one area to explore. Players can get by on experience with a modicum of athleticism and often get more TOs based on experience. We need to look for George Teague's and hope we find Adderley's in the trash bin.

Lots of available FA safeties out there this year..
Eric Berry 28
John Cyprien 27
Tony Jefferson 25
TJ McDonald 26
Micah Hyde 26
Mike Adams 36
Jahleel Addae 27
DJ Swearinger 26

That's just off the top, the pool is fairly deep here.

 

[jobberone]

Lots of available FA safeties out there this year..
Eric Berry 28
John Cyprien 27
Tony Jefferson 25
TJ McDonald 26
Micah Hyde 26
Mike Adams 36
Jahleel Addae 27
DJ Swearinger 26

That's just off the top, the pool is fairly deep here.

If we went after one whom would it be and what do you think the cost would be?

 

[Typhus]

If we went after one whom would it be and what do you think the cost would be?

I would rank Church in at the 3 or 4 slot in that list, so that's a cap reference IMO.
If your asking my personnel choice it would be Micah Hyde if we don't bring Church back, and don't feel Wilcox can play there.

 

[OldCoach]

If we went after one whom would it be and what do you think the cost would be?

I think resign Carr and Wilcox and draft a rookie in rounds 1-4. Rather keep Church, but I think he might be expensive. I dunno.

 

[gimmesix]

Is it a good long term strategy? It seems ill conceived and harmful longterm? I don't really know the answer.

It's actually very well-conceived because it allows the team to reduce the money that hits the cap each year while the players get more upfront. It's essentially a way to keep your players while keeping their cap hit low.

You eventually have to take a cap hit for it, but the way it is supposed to work is that by the time you're ready to part ways with the player, it's cost-effective because the base salary owed is higher than the guaranteed money. However, the restructures are set up in a way that you don't have to depend on that to create cap because you have multiple contracts that can be restructured to make room.

Really, the only ways this system doesn't work is if all your big-contract players decide to retire at once, accelerating their guaranteed bonus hits or the salary-cap rules change.

 

[haleyrules]

I think you need to grab a VFA on occasion but normally you don't do that. Relative low cost VFA safeties and CBs are one area to explore. Players can get by on experience with a modicum of athleticism and often get more TOs based on experience. We need to look for George Teague's and hope we find Adderley's in the trash bin.

Thanks.

 

[Typhus]

I think resign Carr and Wilcox and draft a rookie in rounds 1-4. Rather keep Church, but I think he might be expensive. I dunno.

The only way you reduce a cap hit and elevate talent in the NFL is through the draft, the days are long gone that you steal a FA gem, your going to over pay for the top quality insurance FAs, and more than likely overpay still for the FA busts.
Keeping your own, at least you have a first hand grade on them, its the evaluation process that's becoming the most important factor in winning SBs or not.
Just getting lucky was yesterdays NFL.
Most don't want to believe this, because most of us feel good when we purchase something, I get that, but FA is basically for teams that either cant, or haven't drafted well.

 

[OldCoach]

The only way you reduce a cap hit and elevate talent in the NFL is through the draft, the days are long gone that you steal a FA gem, your going to over pay for the top quality insurance FAs, and more than likely overpay still for the FA busts.
Keeping your own, at least you have a first hand grade on them, its the evaluation process that's becoming the most important factor in winning SBs or not.
Just getting lucky was yesterdays NFL.
Most don't want to believe this, because most of us feel good when we purchase something, I get that, but FA is basically for teams that haven't drafted well.

Right on.

 

[Alexander]

Maneuvering for Poe.

No, they are not.

 

[T-RO]

You say foolish to not max out.......I say an unfired weapon is a paperweight

You care more about JJones' profits........good for you

I would rather have a DE, SS and KR

Man-up, bro. Name one season where Jones has failed to fully spend the allotted cap limit! Name one season since the cap was started!

None of this has to do Jerry's bottom line or frugality or any of that.

We want the same thing Jerry does (in this case anyway)... a good team each and every season.

 

[Typhus]

No, they are not.

Exactly, just maneuvering in order to keep pay roll legal.

 

[LittleD]

I think you need to grab a VFA on occasion but normally you don't do that. Relative low cost VFA safeties and CBs are one area to explore. Players can get by on experience with a modicum of athleticism and often get more TOs based on experience. We need to look for George Teague's and hope we find Adderley's in the trash bin.

It just rarely works for us. We grabbed a DL two years ago and he was a cancer and took one last year from Philthy and he was out of shape for half the year. It just doesn't pay to pay big money for FA unless you are rehiring your own.

 

[T-RO]

You say foolish to not max out.......I say an unfired weapon is a paperweight

If we want to talk about the craft of military leadership we have to look at something called a supply chain.

Failure to grasp this concept is what destroyed Napolean's troops in Russia during the campaign of 1812. Nappy started off from France with 450,000 troops. The French never lost in battle but came home with 10,000 men. Why? SUPPLY. CHAIN.

You have to replenish as you fight...in the Cowboys case...season after season after season.

 

[LatinMind]

think dallas is going to make a run for a DE

 

[LatinMind]

There will come a time when Smith has a huge cap number and people will be like "he's not worth his cap hit" ignoring the repeated small cap hits he's had over the years due to restructures.

It may seem far-fetched...but it's going to happen.

you do realize next yr will be the highest his contract will ever be in a given yr which will be 17mil, you know the yr dallas is has 60mil in cap room. Tyron will be 31 and 32 the last 2 yrs of his 10 yr deal. And has cap hits of 13.5 and 13.6mil on those yrs with no guaranteed money remaining.

wonder if people actually look at players contracts before talking bout them.

 

[jobberone]

It just rarely works for us. We grabbed a DL two years ago and he was a cancer and took one last year from Philthy and he was out of shape for half the year. It just doesn't pay to pay big money for FA unless you are rehiring your own.

Which is why I said we don't do it very often for reasons. You can score on occasion though and we should always be on the lookout. The closer you are to a SB the closer you should look.

 

[Risen Star]

I guess they're planning to keep both players.

Questionable.