Cowboys Secret QB Sauce?

[John813]

"Acquire the hell out of Quarterbacks." Is that better?

For a fourth round pick and a UDFA we could be set at quarterback for a decade. That's crazy good talent evaluation and development. And it speaks to the wizard we have at OC.

You can pump the brakes on Rush. I understand.

I won't.

My apologies if it came off as argumentative.

That we can be, and it is something that we are lucky to potentially have.

I suppose it does, but I guess it just comes down to who Linehan wanted in the 2016 draft. Did he want Dak from the start?(Legit question) Or did he view Lynch or Cook higher, but still liked Dak enough to convince the FO to take him.
Guess I'm just not sold on Linehan being some QB whisperer at this time. I do think he is a good OC though.

I'm excited about Rush, but I've seen in other threads about him being a lower level starter or we could get a ransom for him..after 4 preseason games.

 

[ghst187]

Man, did Culpepper flame out after a strong start. Now I'm paranoid. Thanks, bro.

Did his flaming coincide with Minny letting Moss go? All I remember is Him chucking up for Moss.

 

[John813]

Did his flaming coincide with Minny letting Moss go? All I remember is Him chucking up for Moss.

IIRC he had up and down seasons with Minnesota early on. Remember the issue about his hand size and fumbles.
JMO, I think he checked out when he got that huge deal from Miami. Think Brad Childress had a comment about Daunte talking more about money than the team/football.
Saban even wondered where Daunte's head was at times.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Are we drafting the hell out of quarterbacks the past two years? Maybe. Or maybe there's something to be said for how we are developing and deploying our kid quarterbacks.

Rookie Cowboys quarterbacks could be rising fast and true in large part because of the secret sauce cooked up by Scott Linehan

The guy might be something of a quarterback-whisperer

I don't think the Cowboys are 'developing' QBs. Dak was already developed when he arrived in camp from Miss St, which ran a similar offense to what the Cowboys run. Dak said that a lot of the plays in the Cowboys playbook they used in Miss St. They just called them different names. The Cowboys really didn't have time to develop Dak. Ready or not, he was thrown into the fire. And he was ready. Same with Cooper Rush. How much can you say the Cowboys 'developed' him. Hardly any to date.

I do think the Cowboys run a rather simple offense focusing on execution over strategy/surprise. I think the read progression is easy for the new QBs to follow.

Just as the Cowboys had a lot of luck with Dak falling to them in the 4th round of the draft, I think the Cowboys also lucked into simplifying the offense. Dak was new and they simplified the offense from what Romo was going to run. And it works. And it helps tremendously when you have a talented QB like Dak who can absolutely wreak havoc with the read option. And it helps when you have good players around you, especially at the OL and skill positions like WR and RB. Any QB will tell you how important it is to run the ball. When you can run the ball, pretty much any offensive philosophy is going to work.

I think the recent success is more about drafting talented players and designing plays around that talent rather than forcing players into the same stale system Garrett/Linehan/Romo were running for years.

 

[Macnalty]

We know Jerry was in love w/the guy. And who knows...perhaps under Linehan Lynch would look a lot better right now.

Certain coaches have a knack. Wherever Phillips has gone as DC great players start popping up. Don't be surprised when the Rams defense suddenly has two or three more top defenders.

I watched Paxton Lynch and honestly he is no Cooper Rush. Maybe things will slow down for him this season, he just does not look comfortable, much like the QB that went to Houston and then to Cleveland.

 

[Eddie]

So what happens if Dak gets hurt for 6 games, and Cooper Rush goes 6-0?

 

[pete026]

So what happens if Dak gets hurt for 6 games, and Cooper Rush goes 6-0?

Hopefully you're not comparing the Romo-Dak situation to the Dak-Rush situation? Or are you?

 

[Chuck 54]

What's it all about?

It ain't Linehan; he had chances with other young QBs in Dallas, and he did nothing with anyone, young or VET during that last horrible season.

My take? It's not always about drafting the most talented QB in the draft, the guy who comes out early because he had 1-2 great years and wants to maximize his position.

Dak wasn't highly regarded (4th round), and Rush went on ndrafted. However, they both played a lot of games and experienced all there was in the college game, showing great productivity and leadership in situations (teams) that were not ideal, not make no it easy for them. They both had to lead their teams to whatever success they had, and they both made it happen.

They work hard, study hard, and make good decisions. The game doesn't seem too big for them because they spent 4-5 years at QB in college games where they were underdogs. Compare that to QBs surrounded by OLs, star WRs and RBs. If you're going to try to make it happen with lower round or UDFA QBs, the Cowboys may have figured out that you don't do that the way you do at other positions. You don't look for something physically special that you can mold. You find a guy who is a leader with tons of experience who had success vs better competition, a guy who put up big production against the odds.

Is that a description of Dak, Rush........even Romo.

 

[T-RO]

My apologies if it came off as argumentative.

That we can be, and it is something that we are lucky to potentially have.

I suppose it does, but I guess it just comes down to who Linehan wanted in the 2016 draft. Did he want Dak from the start?(Legit question) Or did he view Lynch or Cook higher, but still liked Dak enough to convince the FO to take him.
Guess I'm just not sold on Linehan being some QB whisperer at this time. I do think he is a good OC though.

I'm excited about Rush, but I've seen in other threads about him being a lower level starter or we could get a ransom for him..after 4 preseason games.

No apologies needed--I had no problem w/your previous post.

I would suggest that talent evaluation...and talent optimization are two different things. Clearly Scott has a blind spot with Moore--an under-sized kid from Idaho who probably reminds him of himself and of his son who is currently quarterbacking yet another Idaho team.

Clearly a track record has emerged that points to something special w/Linehan. Is this long string of success a coincidence? While that's possible I don't find it likely.

 

[T-RO]

So what happens if Dak gets hurt for 6 games, and Cooper Rush goes 6-0?

That would be bizarre deja vu. I admit to imagining the same scenario.

 

[haleyrules]

So what happens if Dak gets hurt for 6 games, and Cooper Rush goes 6-0?

Ha!! Nice problem to have.

 

[T-RO]

What's it all about?

It ain't Linehan; he had chances with other young QBs in Dallas, and he did nothing with anyone, young or VET during that last horrible season.

My take? It's not always about drafting the most talented QB in the draft, the guy who comes out early because he had 1-2 great years and wants to maximize his position.

Dak wasn't highly regarded (4th round), and Rush went on ndrafted. However, they both played a lot of games and experienced all there was in the college game, showing great productivity and leadership in situations (teams) that were not ideal, not make no it easy for them. They both had to lead their teams to whatever success they had, and they both made it happen.

They work hard, study hard, and make good decisions. The game doesn't seem too big for them because they spent 4-5 years at QB in college games where they were underdogs. Compare that to QBs surrounded by OLs, star WRs and RBs. If you're going to try to make it happen with lower round or UDFA QBs, the Cowboys may have figured out that you don't do that the way you do at other positions. You don't look for something physically special that you can mold. You find a guy who is a leader with tons of experience who had success vs better competition, a guy who put up big production against the odds.

Is that a description of Dak, Rush........even Romo.

I like a lot of what you are saying here. Interesting notion that perhaps our scouting guys are looking beyond the "pretty" and "shiny" things that can perhaps be over-rated. Looking more at some of the intangibles.

Arm strength is super helpful, no doubt, but perhaps it's over-rated. Heck, athleticism overall is probably over-rated. Look at Tom Brady.

As for 2015...no quarterbacking wasn't good. But those were hard lemons, Weeden, Cassel and Moore. Perhaps only a "quarterback-shouter" could succeed with those 3.

 

[dallasdave]

Ha!! Nice problem to have.

1-2 punch

 

[haleyrules]

1-2 punch

You ain't kiddin!!

 

[dallasdave]

You ain't kiddin!!

NOT A BIT !!!

 

[stilltheguru88]

I hope no team will make him head coach and look at him like another Wade Phillips.

 

[T-RO]

I hope no team will make him head coach and look at him like another Wade Phillips.

That would suck. I know Wade still believes he was head-coaching material and feels like he was unfairly sacked.

Linehan is only 53. If the Cowboys offense continues to succeed and Rush turns out strong...some teams might want to lure SL away with a head coach job. Wouldn't suit him, but it's a magnet for these guys.

I think of how Sean McVay leveraged his offensive/qb coaching skills into the Rams top job.

 

[Shinaoi]

What offer would you take for cooper rush right now?

 

[pete026]

Ha!! Nice problem to have.

I don't think it was brought up as a positive?

That scenario was more likely brought up to rehash the "Why didn't we go back to Romo discussion?" again, ad nauseum. The Romo-Dak situation is a completely different scenario than a Dak-Rush scenario. One was the starting QB that was at the end of his career with significant health issues. Dak is a young, healthy starting QB just starting his career with potential.

But some still can't "LET IT GO".

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Linehan didn't start coaching Bulger until 2006. Bulger had been starting in the league since 2002.




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