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One thing I liked is we did mix in a couple of very nice blitzes that weren't the same old, same old that we have seen from Dallas. There really was nothing positive from the offense.
 

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One thing I liked is we did mix in a couple of very nice blitzes that weren't the same old, same old that we have seen from Dallas. There really was nothing positive from the offense.
Because we have a true MODERN DAY teacher/coach on defense now. Rod is good but he’s not updated. The offensive guys are all terrible. Linnehan never developed a qb and neither has Garrett. Fact
 

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Cowboys should see if they can get two 1st round picks for Demarcus Lawrence. Need a bunch of firsts so they can get a QB.

Honestly, lose another game or two early and this wouldn’t be the worst idea.

Get a new coach as well.
 

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Anybody who still hasn't figured out that consistent pressure destroys Dak's game hasn't been paying attention.

This.

That's why evaluating him after a cluster-***** performance by the offensive line isn't the most fair thing in the world.
 

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This.

That's why evaluating him after a cluster-***** performance by the offensive line isn't the most fair thing in the world.

How isn't it fair? A QB isn't always going to have a clean pocket, and be able to operate without having to throw with a collapsing pocket in front of them, and getting knocked down from time to time. What we have seen from Prescott is that when he gets pressure, his play falls off the cliff. If he's going to get praised as a rookie for appearing to be poised, and that he was able to produce when the conditions are good, then it's absolutely fair to critique his play when the conditions around him were not as optimal.
 

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How isn't it fair? A QB isn't always going to have a clean pocket, and be able to operate without having to throw with a collapsing pocket in front of them, and getting knocked down from time to time. What we have seen from Prescott is that when he gets pressure, his play falls off the cliff. If he's going to get praised as a rookie for appearing to be poised, and that he was able to produce when the conditions are good, then it's absolutely fair to critique his play when the conditions around him were not as optimal.

It's not fair because that offensive line performance was poor.

6 sacks a game is 96 over the course of a season... That's a lot.

Then you mix in the dumb penalties and the lousy run blocking on first down.

Do I think Prescott was great yesterday?

Nope.

Not a good day.

But not as bad as what may portray on here.
 

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It's not fair because that offensive line performance was poor.

6 sacks a game is 96 over the course of a season... That's a lot.

Then you mix in the dumb penalties and the lousy run blocking on first down.

Do I think Prescott was great yesterday?

Nope.

Not a good day.

But not as bad as what may portray on here.

If you're going to use that logic, then you can't evaluate him on a day when he's kept completely clean.

Is the QB position dependent on others? Yes. So is every other position in football - it's the ultimate team sport.

But, he can absolutely be evaluated when the offensive line is allowing pressure and QB hits. And, when his play gets radically worse as a result of pressure, it's something to keep in mind going forward, because a quarterback has to be able to perform when the conditions aren't optimal. If he can't, then ultimately he needs to be replaced.

Were there factors involved with Prescott's poor play yesterday? Yes. Does he own a number of them? Yes.
 

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It's not fair because that offensive line performance was poor.

6 sacks a game is 96 over the course of a season... That's a lot.

Then you mix in the dumb penalties and the lousy run blocking on first down.

Do I think Prescott was great yesterday?

Nope.

Not a good day.

But not as bad as what may portray on here.

A big product of those sacks were because of Dak holding the ball wayyyy too long because, he doesnt go through he progressions fast enough and he doesnt confidence to throw into tight windows because he lacks the accuracy and arm strength.
 

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This.

That's why evaluating him after a cluster-***** performance by the offensive line isn't the most fair thing in the world.

Why not?

He’s going to have to face games where he’s going to get pressured a lot.

He can’t be a franchise QB if every time he feels pressure he folds. And FWIW, some of those sacks could be argued they were his fault.
 

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Why not?

He’s going to have to face games where he’s going to get pressured a lot.

He can’t be a franchise QB if every time he feels pressure he folds.

That was a lot of pressure... More so than normal.

Plus the 1st down running game was weak.

It's like this Prescott needs to be better, but the entire offense needs to be better.
 

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If you're going to use that logic, then you can't evaluate him on a day when he's kept completely clean.

Is the QB position dependent on others? Yes. So is every other position in football - it's the ultimate team sport.

But, he can absolutely be evaluated when the offensive line is allowing pressure and QB hits. And, when his play gets radically worse as a result of pressure, it's something to keep in mind going forward, because a quarterback has to be able to perform when the conditions aren't optimal. If he can't, then ultimately he needs to be replaced.

Were there factors involved with Prescott's poor play yesterday? Yes. Does he own a number of them? Yes.

If you want to condemn the guy based on yesterday that's fine.

I'm not there yet.
 

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How isn't it fair? A QB isn't always going to have a clean pocket, and be able to operate without having to throw with a collapsing pocket in front of them, and getting knocked down from time to time. What we have seen from Prescott is that when he gets pressure, his play falls off the cliff. If he's going to get praised as a rookie for appearing to be poised, and that he was able to produce when the conditions are good, then it's absolutely fair to critique his play when the conditions around him were not as optimal.
The criticism is absolutely warranted. But keep in mind the average QB gets pressured on about 33% of his dropbacks in a game. 40% and above (as happened yesterday) is an inordinate amount of pressures, and happens only about 4 times per team per season on average. It happened 8 times to Dak last year. So we're not talking about everything having to be perfect, and in fact, even when the pressures have been more than average but still under 40%, he's played well.

The problem is when protection is not below average but consistently poor, and the thing about Dak is that he hasn't just been bad when pressured 40% or more, he's been terrible. That was actually one of his better "40+" games yesterday, for what it's worth. Still, you're obviously going to have those kinds of 40+ games from time to time, and the QB has to be able to handle it. Russell Wilson actually had 9 such games (40+) last year. But Wilson and/or somebody close to him understands how the mental side of the game can affect performance, especially QB performance. He has a "brain trainer."

In a game when pressures are 40% or more of dropbacks, you can pick any QB and look at his attempts from a clean pocket and you'll see passer ratings mostly in the 100s, with some 90s. Not Prescott. His rating is in the 70s. He's feeling pressure that isn't there.

Then if you look at how Dak responds to pressure in a "normal" game (when pressured on fewer than 40% of dropbacks), you see that his passer rating is 2nd only to Brady when pressured. So it isn't the play, and it isn't even the pressure itself. It's the perception/anticipation of pressure. And it goes back to his college days. Consistent pressure -- the kind that happens in 1 of 4 games -- takes him out of his game.
 

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A big product of those sacks were because of Dak holding the ball wayyyy too long because, he doesnt go through he progressions fast enough and he doesnt confidence to throw into tight windows because he lacks the accuracy and arm strength.

Even Dennis Thurman, former Cowboy DB, admitted the WR's weren't good yesterday either (for the most part).

It's like this if you want to bury Prescott at this point... So be it.

But I'm not going there after the first game of the season.
 

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Great OL, Dallas. Way to invest dollars and draft capital.
 
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