Cowboys Want Brandon Carr To Take A Pay Cut, But Believe He Could Get $5-$6M From Another Team

[CCBoy]

It's always funny watching you respond to people and chastise them for being snarky or condescending and yet you do it all the time, such as your "know history" comment above. It's pretty hilarious.

Who cares what the circumstances were when he signed? That's water under the bridge. They have a chance to upgrade and get out from under that contract this year. They can save over $6MM in cap space right now if they cut him, over $9MM in cap space as a June 1 cut.

This is obvious to anyone who is really paying attention. Dallas does not have a very good pass defense and could use upgrades at a few key positions there.

No, the difference is in the facts presented...you have the emotional attachments, but are blind to anything else.

Always half cocked and can't even holster a Smith and Wesson 1911 .45 cal and know that, that weapon won't get one killed in a real-live gunfight.

Now, exactly what is the degree improvement needed with a secondary that starts with Scandrick and Carr as corners, and Jones in the free safety slot? That is 3/4 of a very solid secondary. Church can be upgraded, but he at least is solid and a very good team type player. Ramsey would make that group very good, as there is very solid depth for the remainder of safeties and cornerbacks.

As to linebackers, Sean Lee and Rolando McClain are a very solid addition at the second level. McClain is usually replaced by secondary in packages any way...and that is the 2nd and third levels, but clamor is presented instead of a real discussion.

Naw, that is vanity...if there is yet another veteran added, it will be cheaply and not drasticly altering what is already in place.

 

[Sydla]

No, the difference is in the facts presented...you have the emotional attachments, but are blind to anything else.

Always half cocked and can't even holster a Smith and Wesson 1911 .45 cal and know that, that weapon won't get one killed in a real-live gunfight.

Now, exactly what is the degree improvement needed with a secondary that starts with Scandrick and Carr as corners, and Jones in the free safety slot? That is 3/4 of a very solid secondary. Church can be upgraded, but he at least is solid and a very good team type player. Ramsey would make that group very good, as there is very solid depth for the remainder of safeties and cornerbacks.

As to linebackers, Sean Lee and Rolando McClain are a very solid addition at the second level. McClain is usually replaced by secondary in packages any way...and that is the 2nd and third levels, but clamor is presented instead of a real discussion.

Naw, that is vanity...if there is yet another veteran added, it will be cheaply and not drasticly altering what is already in place.

Scandrick is coming off an injury so there is an unknown there.

Two, he's probably better suited to playing the slot but moved outside out of necessity. I think if the Cowboys upgraded the outside CB slot, they'd happily move Scandrick back to the slot.

Three, regardless of Scandrick, Carr is an average CB with a cap hit higher than some upper levels CBs. Taking a $14.1MM cap hit for a mediocre CB is bad business, no matter how you slice it.

Four, Jones, while promising, is still an unknown and very well could end up being an average S.

And if the Cowboys thought like you do, they wouldn't have been chasing around half a dozen CBs this FA period.

I think the big issue here is that you and I disagree on what's "solid" at a secondary position. Church and Carr aren't really solid IMO. They don't generate turnovers, Church was picked on quite a bit last year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Todd Archer of ESPN writes that Cowboys CB Brandon Carr is the “big winner” after the team was unable to sign either Nolan Carroll or Patrick Robinson after bringing them in for visits.

According to Archer, Dallas will wants Carr to take a pay cut and agree to reduce his $9.1 million salary for the 2016, and have spoken to his agent. However, determining his worth has been a bit of an issue.

Archer mentions that Carr could end up in the $5 – $6 million per year range if he were to be available on the open market. Beyond that, the Cowboys are well aware that some team would sign him to a contract, which explains why they didn’t make this move last year.

Another issue is that they currently do not have an obvious replacement for him on their roster.

http://nfltraderumors.co/cowboys-want-brandon-carr-take-pay-cut-believe-get-5-6m-another-team/

Carr would be lucky to get 3k in the open market. Though some fool like Jerry might actually offer him more.

 

[CCBoy]

Scandrick is coming off an injury so there is an unknown there.

Two, he's probably better suited to playing the slot but moved outside out of necessity. I think if the Cowboys upgraded the outside CB slot, they'd happily move Scandrick back to the slot.

Three, regardless of Scandrick, Carr is an average CB with a cap hit higher than some upper levels CBs. Taking a $14.1MM cap hit for a mediocre CB is bad business, no matter how you slice it.

Four, Jones, while promising, is still an unknown and very well could end up being an average S.

And if the Cowboys thought like you do, they wouldn't have been chasing around half a dozen CBs this FA period.

I think the big issue here is that you and I disagree on what's "solid" at a secondary position. Church and Carr aren't really solid IMO. They don't generate turnovers, Church was picked on quite a bit last year.

With the above, just don't start stating knowledge of how the Cowboys think...see a recruiter.

Since all you are doing is a two step routine, end of conversation with me.

 

[Sydla]

With the above, just don't start stating knowledge of how the Cowboys think...see a recruiter.

Since all you are doing is a two step routine, end of conversation with me.

You are like a child. When things don't go your way, you take your ball and run home.

It's not a two step. It's reality that you simply can't grasp because you tend to have a homer outlook with the Cowboys.

They were a poor pass defense last year and most stats show it (frankly, they weren't that great in 2014 either - 13th in passer rating, etc.). The owner came out after the season and basically said that they have to look to improve in the secondary. They've kicked the tires on multiple DBs this offseason which would seem to indicate they know they have to get better and couldn't just do it through the draft.

Now any rational fan that takes off the blinders and looks at the stats, how the Cowboys are acting, etc. would admit that clearly the Cowboys know their secondary isn't good enough.

And even when you look at the roster before adding anyone, there are some serious questions. How will Jones translate to a full time FS? Is Scandrick back to normal? Can he play the outside well or is he better off in the slot? If that's the case, who are the outside CBs? Right now it would be Claiborne and Carr, the same two CBs that have resulted in some mediocre to bad pass defenses in recent years. I think many Cowboys fans agree that's not a great situation if that's what comes to pass.

Now you can bristle at the fact that some people are taking a critical look at an area that clearly needs some help, or you can at least admit what just about every other rational Cowboys fan admits - over the next month or so, there has to be some additions (and hopefully a subtraction or two) to the secondary. It's your prerogative. But don't expect people to just sit there and not be puzzled when people are talking about Carr being pretty good and our secondary actually being pretty good.

 

[dogunwo]

I agree with you.

He's 1 of 2 real 5 star blue chip prospects in this draft.

Is the other one Wentz?

 

[Fredd]

He is getting paid as a #1 corner. Don't care if he is so called listed as a #1 or #2 cb.

you and MANY others judge him because he is overpaid...that is not his fault...if he was not top 10 in CB salary, many would likely not have an issue with him...he isn't as bad as a lot of you make him out to be...by yours and others thought processes, Tony Romo is paid as a top tier QB, and he sucked last year since he wasn't on the field...thus, we should cut him....right? Jason Witten? wasn't as productive as in the past...cut him? you guys can't see the forest for the trees...you can't judge the guy's ability based on his salary... irrelevant....

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

you and MANY others judge him because he is overpaid...that is not his fault...if he was not top 10 in CB salary, many would likely not have an issue with him...he isn't as bad as a lot of you make him out to be...by yours and others thought processes, Tony Romo is paid as a top tier QB, and he sucked last year since he wasn't on the field...thus, we should cut him....right? Jason Witten? wasn't as productive as in the past...cut him? you guys can't see the forest for the trees...you can't judge the guy's ability based on his salary... irrelevant....

Being overpaid isn't his fault? He was the one who signed the contract with the expectations that come with that. He has so far refused to lower his salary.

 

[Sydla]

you and MANY others judge him because he is overpaid...that is not his fault...if he was not top 10 in CB salary, many would likely not have an issue with him...he isn't as bad as a lot of you make him out to be...by yours and others thought processes, Tony Romo is paid as a top tier QB, and he sucked last year since he wasn't on the field...thus, we should cut him....right? Jason Witten? wasn't as productive as in the past...cut him? you guys can't see the forest for the trees...you can't judge the guy's ability based on his salary... irrelevant....

LOL at the comparisons. Holy hell, people.

Carr has been an average CB since the moment we signed him. It isn't just a one year blip and now people want him cut. He's been a disappointment as a #1 CB from the moment he got here. Romo was arguably a Top 5 player in the NFL in 2014 before he got hurt.

Stop with the silly comparisons. I never realized there were such passionate Brandon Carr fans here.

And his salary is clearly relevant. Because he's paid like a #1 CB, plays like a #3 CB and if the Cowboys could rid themselves of his contract they'd have money to sign possibly TWO productive players. So people really need to stop acting like the salary is irrelevant here.

 

[Nightman]

Can't cut him
Can't trade him
Can't replace him

The gift that keeps on giving year after year

 

[BigStar]

Byron was not terrible. He reminds me a lot of Darren, just not as big.

Coverage wise but Woody laid the wood; yes I know that was lame

 

[BigStar]

New Standard???