Cowboys were 29th in scoring in the red zone in 2018

HungryLion

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When ZEKE has under 75 yards rushing we LOSE......the rest you guys figure out...

It’s not just the total yardage Pappy. It’s the YPC.

Look at zeke’s Yards per carry against the Rams. 2.3

The offensive line was getting its butt whooped and holding the leagues leading rusher to 2.3 yards per carry. The cowboys handed the ball to Zeke 20
Times. So 20 plays were ran and they got 47 total yards out of it.

So you can babble on about how Dak failed to “carry the offense” against the Rams. That being said. It’s also hard for a QB to carry an offense when for 20 plays he is handing it off and the offense is getting almost no production out of it.

2.3 yards per carry means a lot of 2nd and 3rd and longs and playing behind the chains. Not a recipe for great offensive production.
 

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Wow. 1991 and
Not a surprise. Quarterbacks need a team around them and a team needs good coaching. In my lifetime the Lions have never had a dominating team. Usually the underdog when they reached the playoffs. Last decent team they had was in 2014. You'd have to go back to 1991 before that.
2014. The Lions beat us in the playoffs that year but in 2014 we beat them.
NFL coordinators will never catch on to that!
It gives Dak the option to run or pass. I say more bootlegs because I've seen this team get inside the five yard line and only come away with three points several times. A bootleg inside the five yard line would be hard as heck to stop. Just like the read option. But they'll get inside the five dont run either play then settle for a field goal.
 

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It’s not just the total yardage Pappy. It’s the YPC.

Look at zeke’s Yards per carry against the Rams. 2.3

The offensive line was getting its butt whooped and holding the leagues leading rusher to 2.3 yards per carry. The cowboys handed the ball to Zeke 20
Times. So 20 plays were ran and they got 47 total yards out of it.

So you can babble on about how Dak failed to “carry the offense” against the Rams. That being said. It’s also hard for a QB to carry an offense when for 20 plays he is handing it off and the offense is getting almost no production out of it.

2.3 yards per carry means a lot of 2nd and 3rd and longs and playing behind the chains. Not a recipe for great offensive production.

Wake me up when we get a real QB that can win games when Zeke is bottled up with 8 man boxes....thks

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There are two really fantastic articles from Bob Sturm in the Athletic that you must read. Links are at the bottom of the post, but here is the summary:

Almost nobody (29th) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone than the Dallas Cowboys.” Only the Jets, Jags and 49ers were worse!

And here’s the kicker - they were actually 30th once they got Amari Cooper! They scored touchdowns 52% of the time; league average was 76%.

“No team (32nd) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns after a first-and-goal than the Dallas Cowboys”

And this one, which blew my mind, and what got Linehan fired, this offense was better at scoring from midfield than it was at scoring from the eight-yard line!

Yeah, we knew it was bad - but did you know it was that bad? Yet this team still ended the season 7-1.

Imagine what this team will be if Kellen Moore can fix the red zone offense?

Edit: Looks like Athletic links are blocked here? You can Google on them and find them.

Anytime a team ranks this low in such an important area it Always comes back to QB & OC. Dak gets exposed in red zone because the throws need to be more precise and thats his biggest weakness. I had no idea there was such a disparity between Dallas & leagues avg in red zone. 52% is almost unwinable. The D really stepped up last year.
 
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There are two really fantastic articles from Bob Sturm in the Athletic that you must read. Links are at the bottom of the post, but here is the summary:

Almost nobody (29th) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone than the Dallas Cowboys.” Only the Jets, Jags and 49ers were worse!

And here’s the kicker - they were actually 30th once they got Amari Cooper! They scored touchdowns 52% of the time; league average was 76%.

“No team (32nd) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns after a first-and-goal than the Dallas Cowboys”

And this one, which blew my mind, and what got Linehan fired, this offense was better at scoring from midfield than it was at scoring from the eight-yard line!

Yeah, we knew it was bad - but did you know it was that bad? Yet this team still ended the season 7-1.

Imagine what this team will be if Kellen Moore can fix the red zone offense?

Edit: Looks like Athletic links are blocked here? You can Google on them and find them.
I'll say it again. Our offense is inept unless someone takes a big gain to the house. The red zone deficiencies only highlight what our offense and QB struggle with, due to a tighter field.
 

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The hallmark of a Garret lead team is sucking in the red zone. Even when we had an accurate passer like Romo, the offense struggled in the red zone with bad play calling. We pile up yards and kick a lot of FGs.
 

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There are two really fantastic articles from Bob Sturm in the Athletic that you must read. Links are at the bottom of the post, but here is the summary:

Almost nobody (29th) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone than the Dallas Cowboys.” Only the Jets, Jags and 49ers were worse!

And here’s the kicker - they were actually 30th once they got Amari Cooper! They scored touchdowns 52% of the time; league average was 76%.

“No team (32nd) was more inefficient at scoring touchdowns after a first-and-goal than the Dallas Cowboys”

And this one, which blew my mind, and what got Linehan fired, this offense was better at scoring from midfield than it was at scoring from the eight-yard line!

Yeah, we knew it was bad - but did you know it was that bad? Yet this team still ended the season 7-1.

Imagine what this team will be if Kellen Moore can fix the red zone offense?

Edit: Looks like Athletic links are blocked here? You can Google on them and find them.


They didn't have any RedZone fails (on offense) in the Rams Playoff game...
 

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Pretty sure the Ram game is not the example you want to use when trying to defend the offense.

I'm not defending the offense.

I'm pointing out that the failure to advance in the playoffs was not due to offensive redzone problems.

The regular season redzone offense was good enough to get them to the playoffs.
 

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It’s not an excuse when it’s factual. Maybe you should rewatch the game and actually see the Rams running all over our *****.
Mate. Matey. Dont let your gimme have to do tha. Rewatch the game?
Oh, vindictive lout!
 

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The biggest problem our offense had in the redzone last year is that our OL couldn’t move the DL off the ball in the redzone. They were getting their butts whipped down there.

The second biggest problem is that they didn’t have reliable redzone receiving threats. Inexperienced and mediocre at best TE play. Coupled with no large bodied receiver, like a Dez.

The idea that the redzone offense fell off a cliff because of the QB. Even though that QB was part of one of the best redzone offenses in the league a couple years before, is idiotic.

The cowboys offense is supposed to be a power running offense. And they couldn’t power run the football in the redzone. Fix that first and everything else will fall into place.
 

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The idea that the redzone offense fell off a cliff because of the QB. Even though that QB was part of one of the best redzone offenses in the league a couple years before, is idiotic.

Completely agree. This should be self evident. Same quarterback, two different offensive lines, two different results.

If anything, they won despite the offensive line due to a quarterback who bought time and found a way to get out of the pocket. Never was that more evident than the Seattle playoff game.

But even with the changes on the o-line, I still put the blame squarely on the play-calling. It might not have been the league’s best offensive line, but it was good enough.
 

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Was losing Fredbeard that big of a difference? Has Tyron Smith really fallen off the edge?

Or did opposing defenses figure out that the Cowboys would run on first, run on second, and throw on third? You can’t call the same plays in 2016 that you called in 2018. Not how the NFL works.

it wasn't just Fred, Martin was limping, and our LGs sucked ... the whole interior OL

BTW, NE is running the same plays they did 10 years ago. Great teams impose their will.
 

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The biggest problem our offense had in the redzone last year is that our OL couldn’t move the DL off the ball in the redzone. They were getting their butts whipped down there.

The second biggest problem is that they didn’t have reliable redzone receiving threats. Inexperienced and mediocre at best TE play. Coupled with no large bodied receiver, like a Dez.

The idea that the redzone offense fell off a cliff because of the QB. Even though that QB was part of one of the best redzone offenses in the league a couple years before, is idiotic.

The cowboys offense is supposed to be a power running offense. And they couldn’t power run the football in the redzone. Fix that first and everything else will fall into place.

Idiotic is blaming everyone and everything except Dak for our Red-Zone woes......at best he will run it in for a TD cause as far as passing for a TD in the Red Zone just hope we play the dead Giants every week.....here below you will find some find examples on how Dak short field woes become a major liability for us in the Red-Zone......
We are 29th in the Red-Zone for one and only reason....Dak Prescott!!!!!



 

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it wasn't just Fred, Martin was limping, and our LGs sucked ... the whole interior OL

BTW, NE is running the same plays they did 10 years ago. Great teams impose their will.

Completely disagree. New England changes their playbook year to year, even week to week, to exploit the weaknesses of their opponents and the advantages of their personnel. I don't think you could have chosen a worse example, honestly.
 
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