Cowboys Wont Find Success Before Massive Culture Change

[Nova]

I'm honestly starting to lose all hope.

Even if Jones isn't the GM he's going to have a role that ultimately puts profit over team success.

He's still going to invite flash with additions like Victoria Secret stores in the stadium. And while things like that shouldn't affect what happens on the field, this team may never be purely a football team. It will be an act-- entertainment.

He's created a circus environment and, unfortunately, proper football minds probably can't fix that.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm honestly starting to lose all hope.

Even if Jones isn't the GM he's going to have a role that ultimately puts profit over team success.

He's still going to invite flash with additions like Victoria Secret stores in the stadium. And while things like that shouldn't affect what happens on the field, this team may never be purely a football team. It will be an act-- entertainment.

He's created a circus environment and, unfortunately, proper football minds probably can't fix that.

You would think if Stephen was this logical breath of fresh air that the fans tried to pretend he was a few years ago he'd pull his daddy to the side at some point and tell him this nonsense needs to stop.

That hasn't happened. I'm guessing because Stephen is no better than Jerry. In his warped Jones mind he probably thinks he's been groomed to be an NFL GM all these years.

 

[visionary]

for us yes, but years down the road I bet that it just goes away. Its so prevalent now because the media talks about him and the cowboys so much. When he is not here they will just move on to the next joker.

For us and this current group of media, he will always be the symbol of an ego maniac who does everything the wrong way, but those media people will retire and we will get older.

my fervent hope is that jerry jones is reviled widely for the lunatic (thanx RS) blind football idiot that he is, for a long long time

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Jerry is mentally ill & no safe sane plan to run the team will work.

He's the king!

Narcissistic.

 

[theebs]

I'm honestly starting to lose all hope.

Even if Jones isn't the GM he's going to have a role that ultimately puts profit over team success.

He's still going to invite flash with additions like Victoria Secret stores in the stadium. And while things like that shouldn't affect what happens on the field, this team may never be purely a football team. It will be an act-- entertainment.

He's created a circus environment and, unfortunately, proper football minds probably can't fix that.

back in October on special edition jerry spent a whole segment telling mickey about all the expensive art he and his friends have and how over the next few years he is going to bring that all to the stadium for people to see.

A. Special Edition used to be the best show the cowboys produced, brad did a good job with the interviews and the rest of the show was very heavy football stuff. Now the interviews with jerry and Stephen are a joke, they have a whole segment where they show what players tweeted during the week and then they promote whatever event is happening at the building......Its an infomercial for the stadium essentially.

B. Jerry's tone was like The peasants who come to the stadium will get to see his amazing art collection. Which is comical because 98% of the crowd mostly knows nothing about art and after waiting months for a season to start they care even less on a gameday.

Its all about show just like he said. Its like he is running a nightclub and the team is the houseband but not real important.

 

[Risen Star]

i think we disagree here
i think jerry will long be remembered as a delusional owner and someone who made the dallas cowboys a punchline for a decade and a half
he will be held up as a model of ineptitude and how not to do things

That's the beauty of it for me. The ego that has destroyed this team is also what will prevent Jerry from ever getting what he desires. Respect as an NFL executive.

We can't stop him from destroying the Cowboys, but the reason why he's doing it, the objective to this whole thing, is something he'll never, ever accomplish.

And I find that comforting.

 

[Risen Star]

my fervent hope is that jerry jones is reviled widely for the lunatic (thanx RS) blind football idiot that he is, for a long long time

He most definitely will be. He already is. That's not changing. It'll only get worse as he starts to stink and drool at his daily media sessions.

 

[jobberone]

as much as i like the idea of culture change the idea of a 'triumvirate' is just crazy

successful organizations are run by CEOs, they need one voice

one GM, one coach

no more 'group think'

why cant we just do what other successful NFL teams (and our own history) have proven to be successful instead of trying to reinvent the wheel?

Do you actually think one coach and one GM could possibly run an organization without group input? There are many people behind the scenes you don't hear a lot about like the people who look at and put together film and all the scouts etc. Now if you mean one voice that would be spectacular; like Parcells did it.

 

[visionary]

Do you actually think one coach and one GM could possibly run an organization without group input? There are many people behind the scenes you don't hear a lot about like the people who look at and put together film and all the scouts etc. Now if you mean one voice that would be spectacular; like Parcells did it.

you are a smart man so i dont believe for a second that you actually believe i said what you implied i did

here is what i said in another post that sums up my thoughts

"for a GM you need someone who:
1. has a good track record with talent evaluation
2. is invested in building a winner (not putting butts in seats, that is the owners job)
3. is clearly identified as being responsible for decisions
4. is held accountable for said decisions

this is not complicated "

of course the GM will get input from others but the GM has to make those decisions in the context of having the ability (football knowledge, not "having been around football") to make those decisions

 

[jobberone]

That's the beauty of it for me. The ego that has destroyed this team is also what will prevent Jerry from ever getting what he desires. Respect as an NFL executive.

We can't stop him from destroying the Cowboys, but the reason why he's doing it, the objective to this whole thing, is something he'll never, ever accomplish.

And I find that comforting.

You find it comforting that Jerry....hence all of us....won't get a Championship and the respect that comes from it?

 

[Risen Star]

You find it comforting that Jerry....hence all of us....won't get a Championship and the respect that comes from it?

I find it comforting that the guy who ruined this franchise won't achieve what he wanted to achieve by doing it. That's the silver lining to this for me.

 

[KB1122]

I hate to tell some of you this, but the Cowboys have always been about flash and entertainment.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I hate to tell some of you this, but the Cowboys have always been about flash and entertainment.

With some winning football thrown in here & there. That's more important to me than the glitz.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I find it comforting that the guy who ruined this franchise won't achieve what he wanted to achieve by doing it. That's the silver lining to this for me.

I don't find it comforting as much as I find it amusing. It's comical to the point of hysteria.

 

[KB1122]

With some winning football thrown in here & there. That's more important to me than the glitz.

Certainly I want winning football, too. But if you just want anonymously winning football, you could always go root for the Texans and their seven fans.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Certainly I want winning football, too. But if you just want anonymously winning football, you could always go root for the Texans and their seven fans.

JJ Watt is my favorite NFL player. So I kind of do in a roundabout way already.

 

[jobberone]

you are a smart man so i dont believe for a second that you actually believe i said what you implied i did

here is what i said in another post that sums up my thoughts

"for a GM you need someone who:
1. has a good track record with talent evaluation
2. is invested in building a winner (not putting butts in seats, that is the owners job)
3. is clearly identified as being responsible for decisions
4. is held accountable for said decisions

this is not complicated "

of course the GM will get input from others but the GM has to make those decisions in the context of having the ability (football knowledge, not "having been around football") to make those decisions

Jerry and those that acquire talent do a pretty good job in general of late. Jerry screws it up when he thinks he can find the missing piece or pieces. The Galloway and Williams trade are examples. The latest one is Claiborne. He also appears to be a little buried in the past and things have changed enough for that to create some problems. You can't build an OL like the early 90s because the DLs have grown too large and quick. Moving to the ZBS was a very good move and proves Jerry can learn albeit slowly at times. We are still in an overall talent deficit but that too is shrinking.
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You're welcome to your beliefs but you're dead wrong aboutyb Jerry only wanting to fill the seats. Sure he want's that. He HAS to have that so he'll always be part snake oil man. But Jerry wants more SBs more than anything and has always done what he thought, right or wrong, to get it including buying it. He could be on his personal island in the south Pacific but he chooses to be at the helm. Part of that is ego, part the fun of it all, part control issues, and a lot of I can make this happen. He has to have a lot of confidence in himself as he has done rather well for himself all these years.

They have also kept us in cap trouble for many years. They haven't always made the best decisions about retaining talent either keeping older players too long, paying them too much, and occasionally letting younger talent get away.

Jerry is responsible for his decisions but there are no consequences as in being fired. But he does get saddled with being branded.

Many of you are up in arms and rightly so. I can guess as to why Garrett et al do things but in saying so I don't necessarily always agree with those arguments and certainly not the adverse outcomes. This last loss was difficult to take. Many here and in the media have jumped on the 'now why don't he run' and I have to agree in part. But I also throw out the problem of the offense. You're looking at a defense that has lost many starters and now you've lost what's left of your LBers. Do you run the ball and eat the clock but then see GB score in 5-8 plays using a couple of minutes and still run you down or do you floor it and try to stay ahead of them. Since they lost the game all say he should have run the ball and I'd be in that camp. But we don't really know that'd have worked. So the problem you are left with is you have an defense that gives up scores much faster than most teams can contend with. That's a tough row to hoe. I suspect running the ball more would have slowed them down enough for us to squeak a win out but I can't know that.

That is said to put perspective on the last two years. Everyone wants someone to throw under the bus. "Somebody must pay for this outrage!" Well, maybe we do need to find a better option at HC and I'd certainly be in the first row to say we need a GM not named Jones. But throwing off the pangs of disappointment, frustration and anger, I see a defense decimated for the last two years. I've been on the fence about Garrett for years and I've accused this offense of failing the club since the last four games on 2007 many times among other things. But you can't really objectively evaluate this team under these circumstances unless you say I don't care whether he can or can't do it; I just need to win now and he's not winning.

Maybe the latter is the best way to go. I just know that emotional reasoning is often not the best way to come to decisions even if it 'feels' right.

 

[jobberone]

I find it comforting that the guy who ruined this franchise won't achieve what he wanted to achieve by doing it. That's the silver lining to this for me.

And I want success for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm loyal to a point with the FO, coaches and players but it's the Cowboys that matter to me. I find it interesting you are so invested in hating Jones you put that over the success of the team. That speaks volumes and lends perfect perspective for your posting history.

 

[visionary]

Jerry and those that acquire talent do a pretty good job in general of late. Jerry screws it up when he thinks he can find the missing piece or pieces. The Galloway and Williams trade are examples. The latest one is Claiborne. He also appears to be a little buried in the past and things have changed enough for that to create some problems. You can't build an OL like the early 90s because the DLs have grown too large and quick. Moving to the ZBS was a very good move and proves Jerry can learn albeit slowly at times. We are still in an overall talent deficit but that too is shrinking.
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You're welcome to your beliefs but you're dead wrong aboutyb Jerry only wanting to fill the seats. Sure he want's that. He HAS to have that so he'll always be part snake oil man. But Jerry wants more SBs more than anything and has always done what he thought, right or wrong, to get it including buying it. He could be on his personal island in the south Pacific but he chooses to be at the helm. Part of that is ego, part the fun of it all, part control issues, and a lot of I can make this happen. He has to have a lot of confidence in himself as he has done rather well for himself all these years.

They have also kept us in cap trouble for many years. They haven't always made the best decisions about retaining talent either keeping older players too long, paying them too much, and occasionally letting younger talent get away.

Jerry is responsible for his decisions but there are no consequences as in being fired. But he does get saddled with being branded.

Many of you are up in arms and rightly so. I can guess as to why Garrett et al do things but in saying so I don't necessarily always agree with those arguments and certainly not the adverse outcomes. This last loss was difficult to take. Many here and in the media have jumped on the 'now why don't he run' and I have to agree in part. But I also throw out the problem of the offense. You're looking at a defense that has lost many starters and now you've lost what's left of your LBers. Do you run the ball and eat the clock but then see GB score in 5-8 plays using a couple of minutes and still run you down or do you floor it and try to stay ahead of them. Since they lost the game all say he should have run the ball and I'd be in that camp. But we don't really know that'd have worked. So the problem you are left with is you have an offense that gives up scores much faster than most teams can contend with. That's a tough row to hoe. I suspect running the ball more would have slowed them down enough for us to squeak a win out but I can't know that.

That is said to put perspective on the last two years. Everyone wants someone to throw under the bus. "Somebody must pay for this outrage!" Well, maybe we do need to find a better option at HC and I'd certainly be in the first row to say we need a GM not named Jones. But throwing off the pangs of disappointment, frustration and anger, I see a defense decimated for the last two years. I've been on the fence about Garrett for years and I've accuse this offense of failing the club since the last four games on 2007 many times among other things. But you can't really objectively evaluate this team under these circumstances unless you say I don't care whether he can or can't do it; I just need to win now and he's not winning.

Maybe the latter is the best way to go. I just know that emotional reasoning is often not the best way tot come to decisions even if it 'feels' right.

you and i have a difference of opinion on jerry, stephen, and jason, you are a fan of their approach and i am not

the issues with the organization are so obvious, i am not interested in a long diatribe or discussion with you because if you dont see them by now, it is not because you are not able to, it is becasue you are not willing to

i will just say this, briefly

the solution is not difficult, just look at how the last 10 (or 12 or 15) SB winners are structured
no need to reinvent the wheel

the rest is just fluff and excuse-making

 

[jobberone]

you and i have a difference of opinion on jerry, stephen, and jason, you are a fan of their approach and i am not

the issues with the organization are so obvious, i am not interested in a long diatribe or discussion with you because if you dont see it by now, you are not willing to see it

i will just say this, briefly

the solution is not difficult, just look at how the last 10 (or 12 or 15) SB winners are structured
no need to reinvent the wheel

the rest is just fluff and excuse-making

I don't know if we are truly that far apart. You seem to read your own perspective into my posts and often you are wrong. I'm not vested in anything Jerry, Stephan and Garrett do. Maybe I was with Landry but I'm a lot older now so I don't blindly follow anyone. I'm on record as saying Jerry should hire a GM. That doesn't guarantee anything though as some here appear to think. I've said in this thread I've been on the fence about Garrett and in fact it was only earlier this year I stated I'd begun to lean in his direction. I'm certainly not leaning any way right now.

It's obvious we aren't winning. You seem to think changing your Generals will win the war. That can be the right answer or not. You can certainly fire your General for not winning the war and even execute him. But you are a foolish King to think you can send your warriors into battle without the tools to win then summarily execute them for daring to defy your commands to win at all costs.

Get this straight. You can whine and complain until hell freezes over but you aren't getting Jerry out of his chair until he is dead or can no longer function at a more basic level. So you can't fire the architect. And firing Garrett at this time is not a simple act despite your cries to the contrary. It may turn out to be for the best but its not a simple decision but a rather complicated one especially in light of the degree of injuries to the team.

I've said what I wish to say.