Cowboys Wont Find Success Before Massive Culture Change

[Sarge]

It is what it is...............

 

[visionary]

It's obvious we aren't winning. You seem to think changing your Generals will win the war. That can be the right answer or not. You can certainly fire your General for not winning the war and even execute him. But you are a foolish King to think you can send your warriors into battle without the tools to win then summarily execute them for daring to defy your commands to win at all costs.

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got the rest of your post, and i guess we can agree on some of the points about this team

this part is a false analogy though:

in this case (NFL) the generals (GM and HC) have the ability to select the warriors from other armies and are able to select the tools to arm them with and the strategies to employ during battle
this is not a novel concept, other 'armies' have done it in very very short order, seattle, SF, KC and on and on
that is why we need to fire the current generals and get better ones

 

[Fansince64]

And I want success for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm loyal to a point with the FO, coaches and players but it's the Cowboys that matter to me. I find it interesting you are so invested in hating Jones you put that over the success of the team. That speaks volumes and lends perfect perspective for your posting history.

As your continual and continuing defense of Jerry and the system he has put in place "speaks volumes and lends perfect perspective for your posting history."


Monte Sliger

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I'm honestly starting to lose all hope.

Even if Jones isn't the GM he's going to have a role that ultimately puts profit over team success.

He's still going to invite flash with additions like Victoria Secret stores in the stadium. And while things like that shouldn't affect what happens on the field, this team may never be purely a football team. It will be an act-- entertainment.

He's created a circus environment and, unfortunately, proper football minds probably can't fix that.

This is exactly why I'm to the point I wish he would just move the team and let Dallas start over with an expansion franchise.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry did try and get guidance for his boy Garrett:

Callahan and Kiffin

He could have reigned in JG a long time ago with Dan Reeves... Now he's stuck with this joke of a HC, whose destroyed this team with his 'culture' and 'RKG' philosphy. This has been the age of pandering to Jason Garrett to make JJ look brilliant. This has been the culture since Parcells left.

 

[Risen Star]

And I want success for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm loyal to a point with the FO, coaches and players but it's the Cowboys that matter to me. I find it interesting you are so invested in hating Jones you put that over the success of the team. That speaks volumes and lends perfect perspective for your posting history.

Actually it doesn't. It speaks more to your comprehension skills. I never said anything about rather seeing the team lose. I said when they do the silver lining for me is Jerry's poor reputation and lack of respect he so covets.

Why don't you just admit to the class that you can't stand the fact that I speak the truth about this team and that's exactly why you formed this incorrect conclusion?

 

[wileedog]

I hate to tell some of you this, but the Cowboys have always been about flash and entertainment.

Yes, because when I hear the name "Tom Landry" the first thing I think of is flash and entertainment...

I actually kind of feel bad for the younger fans who only really know the post-Jimmy, Jerry Jones Cowboys.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Yes, because when I hear the name "Tom Landry" the first thing I think of is flash and entertainment...

I actually kind of feel bad for the younger fans who only really know the post-Jimmy, Jerry Jones Cowboys.

I wish I had seen those teams. They're just videos to me.

 

[jobberone]

Actually it doesn't. It speaks more to your comprehension skills. I never said anything about rather seeing the team lose. I said when they do the silver lining for me is Jerry's poor reputation and lack of respect he so covets.

Why don't you just admit to the class that you can't stand the fact that I speak the truth about this team and that's exactly why you formed this incorrect conclusion?

That's not how I feel but your constant negativity is at times annoying. But again you are entitled to it. If I misinterpreted your post then I'm sorry. Please, forgive. I don't think it unreasonable for me to have come to that conclusion although I won't mind read and will accept your comment. So again please forgive.

 

[Hoofbite]

After Jerry's comments the other day, hiring a GM would be a waste.

He said that since every decision a GM makes has to go through him anyways, what the point of having a middle man? And he's right.

What the Cowboys need is a independent GM who makes the FINAL football decisions. And that will never happen as long as Jerry is alive.

I guess I would look at it like this.

You have the obvious decisions, the not-so-obvious decisions, and then you have everything in between. If your desire to make good decisions is as big as your desire to avoid bad ones, indifferent is in the middle.

A lot of that middle ground is flat out uncertainty. The closer you get to the middle, the less likely any particular person is going to feel strongly one way or the other. Could make a move but happy if ya don't.

A good GM would make the right decisions between the two ends more often than Jerry so anytime Jerry falls close enough to indifferent, the GM doesn't get overruled.

It'd be a marginal improvement but at least it'd be something.

 

[jobberone]

As your continual and continuing defense of Jerry and the system he has put in place "speaks volumes and lends perfect perspective for your posting history."


Monte Sliger

How original. I don't defend Jerry and if you knew my posting history over the years you'd know I was ready to invade VR until Parcells came on board. Since then Jerry seems to have improved although once again, as stated earlier in this thread, Jerry needs to hire a GM but isn't going anywhere. And I don't defend Garrett or his system at all costs but I do try to lend a more realistic perspective to 'let's fire them all'. A .500 mark over many years says it all however Jerry was lost in the wilderness until Parcells came and reorganized the FO and scouting. But talking about Jerry the GM is like tugging on Superman's cape. You're venting which is fine but that's not going to change even with a boycott. I see an improvement in talent on this team esp on the OL which is getting kudos. So I'm not ready to scrap the whole shindig just yet.

I don't know how to evaluate the last two years but I'm like most everyone else. Show me the money. I'm just not going to derail the organization for a year or three because the defense is killing this club and that's due to an incredible amount of injuries x2 years. That is not a scenario which teams try to plan to work around. I'm working on my 49th year as a Cowboy fan and I've never seen anything like this. You people can scream excuses excuses but I like to find out what's wrong before I start buying new parts. That doesn't fit the mob mentality and in fact it appears impossible for many to wrap their heads around that concept. I'm willing to wait another year to see if the offense continues to score points at the top of the league. I'd like to see what the defense does with real players playing. You can scoff at Kiffin and I won't scoff but I'm watching him and his scheme with suspicion. However, he doesn't operate in a vacuum and we have Marinelli who appears to be a great defensive coach. And no Marinelli doesn't appear to be HC material although that might not be true.

You guys continue with the we suck throw the bums out but I think the situation needs a longer and more objective look. That doesn't make me a support the operation at all costs.

 

[jobberone]

got the rest of your post, and i guess we can agree on some of the points about this team

this part is a false analogy though:

in this case (NFL) the generals (GM and HC) have the ability to select the warriors from other armies and are able to select the tools to arm them with and the strategies to employ during battle
this is not a novel concept, other 'armies' have done it in very very short order, seattle, SF, KC and on and on
that is why we need to fire the current generals and get better ones

The Cowboys ability to obtain assets outside the draft is limited. Now that's Jerry's fault but you're not changing that. Still the talent seems to be improving and primarily thru the draft which is a necessary and good thing. The OL is getting some kudos. The offense is scoring. STs is fine esp at K and KR. It's the defense that's the problem and they already called up the reserves and then the 'other' reserves.

I can see you're not going to understand we aren't going to play real defense with people that should still be looking for jobs that don't require football pads and helmets. That doesn't change the fact that Garrett is likely making some management mistakes (IMO) but it's not really going to change the overall results. You're not going to consistently win with that defense. It could have improved with the return of Durant, Lee, a healthy Carter (a big if) and Claiborne. That's not happening so you're going to see record setting defense but in a negative sense. The only benefit to having to play some of these guys is it will help the depth of the team assuming we get most of the guys on IR or headed there back and they can actually stay on the field most of a year. And we may have actually found a diamond in the rough in Selvie.

And again as I and others have stated you will set the team back by changing coaches and schemes for at least a year or so. And hiring a 'real' coach and his new staff is no guarantee for success despite all the cries it will save us from the Red Blight.