Crayton and Holley: Jason Garrett sabotaged Wade Phillips (audio)

[dreghorn2]

After perusing this thread i've come to the conclusion that the 'likes' feature is having a detrimental effect on this board.

 

[Clove]

Regardless of what they said, or who said it, it was said and it was, in my opinion, true. So karma is coming back to Garrett slowly.

 

[birdwells1]

There was no cherry picking needed since your posts are all the same the same regarding Jerry, attack the fan who made any perceived slight. Can you point me to one post where you hold Jerry accountable or are critical of Jerry? I'll wait.

Balls. I like it. Too many flailing jaws around here and not an ounce of balls to back it up. Kudos.

Since we had heard from you in a minute, skinsscalper. lol

 

[BoysFan4ever]

You know waht, all these people want to blame a first time HC, for what they do not even have a clue about, but a coach like wade who has had 5 opporutnities as a HC and his MO is always the same, the first season the team does well, but every season after that his team goes down hill and he gets fired. It took everyone's favorite coach Jimmy 3yrs and if Minnesota had not thought they were getting over on us, it probably would have taken him another year or two. It took the great Patriots coach 3 times to before he got it right, the Pete Carroll, had 2 tries and then he went to college for years and then came back, so Garrett is in a very good position, he at least has stayed at 500, I'll take that all day long, verses going less than 500, before he gets it right,. At least we are 500, and as long as Jerry leaves him alone and let him keep putting his type of players together we will get there. We are close

I'm pretty sure both the Harbaugh Bros have been successful from day one in their current jobs. No on the job training.

 

[Proximo]

There was no cherry picking needed since your posts are all the same the same regarding Jerry, attack the fan who made any perceived slight. Can you point me to one post where you hold Jerry accountable or are critical of Jerry? I'll wait.

And you can keep waiting, because I don't have to prove anything. You're the one that's making claims and assertions about my posting. The burdens on you buddy, not me. Where/when have I excused Jerry's incompetence?? You made the claim. I'm waiting for you to back it up.

 

[casmith07]

After perusing this thread i've come to the conclusion that the 'likes' feature is having a detrimental effect on this board.

You can see who walks around here slurping one another pretty easily, and who's comments actually receive legitimate likes.

 

[Tawney88]

You can see who walks around here slurping one another pretty easily, and who's comments actually receive legitimate likes.

Foul.

 

[DragonCowboy]

I defended Patrick Crayton regularly when he was a player here. As I defend Jason Garrett. Just because the two don't seem to see eye-to-eye, it doesn't mean either one of them is a bad person. Neither has ever been treated all that fairly by our fans, so at least they have that in common.

I'm sorry, I don't see how Garrett was treated unfairly here. After 2007 he was seen as the second coming of Tom Landry, and people were for the most part excited for him as HC in 2010 (although I'll admit I was not). After 2011, again, most people supported the guy, and after 2012 I would say that about half the fans supported him. It's only now, after 3 straight years of HC without any tangible improvement, that the majority of fans have started to turn on the guy.

Additionally, he's had control of this offense since 2008 (and he had control of a large part, if not all of, the offense in 2007). For us to still be jumping around from play caller to play caller six years later shows that he's failed in that respect as well.

I just don't see it.

 

[Section446]

I'd like to think that this isn't true, but nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[khiladi]

I defended Patrick Crayton regularly when he was a player here. As I defend Jason Garrett. Just because the two don't seem to see eye-to-eye, it doesn't mean either one of them is a bad person. Neither has ever been treated all that fairly by our fans, so at least they have that in common.

I can respect that, but I think Garrett has been given incredible leeway, while Crayton has not. Garrett is now starting to take the heat, while guys like Crayton were seen as reasons why Garrett didn't succeed.

 

[Idgit]

I can respect that, but I think Garrett has been given incredible leeway, while Crayton has not. Garrett is now starting to take the heat, while guys like Crayton were seen as reasons why Garrett didn't succeed.

Garrett deserves some heat, because he hasn't gotten the team over the hump. If the guy didn't want PC on his team, I don't really blame him. It's pretty obvious how Crayton feels about him. But Crayton was a low round pick who definitely over delivered for us. His mouth wrote some checks his butt couldn't cash in that third Giants game, but the guy was smart, good, wanted to win badly, and isn't afraid to speak his mind. That's all ok in my book, even if he doesn't like a coach I happen to like.

Like anything, though, with 53 men on a roster, not counting all the churning, and with all the money at stake, there are going to be guys who like you and guys who don't on every roster, every year. Sometimes they'll have good reasons, sometimes they won't.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No Garrett fans want to talk about this. Go watch it.

He either had NO CLUE or was trying to destroy Wade.

It wasnt even the end result. Watch the play. It was INSANE.

While I have no doubt Garrett called the play, is it a foregone conclusion that Wade wanted to take a knee? Even with Garrett being the play caller, decisions like 4th downs, FGs/Punts and kneel downs typically come from the coach. Unless Wade has said otherwise, it's far more likely Wade wanted to take another shot for some reason, maybe to get some halftime momentum, I'm not sure, but it's very possible that Garrett just chose the play.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You can see who walks around here slurping one another pretty easily, and who's comments actually receive legitimate likes.

to me, it's one big circle jerk

 

[ConstantReboot]

No Garrett fans want to talk about this. Go watch it.

He either had NO CLUE or was trying to destroy Wade.

It wasnt even the end result. Watch the play. It was INSANE.

Garrett is an Idiot for calling that play. He had full control of the offense not Wade. Sometimes it amazes me why people still blame Wade for our mishaps and not Garrett. Garrett was part of the fiasco that toppled Wade. Yet Jerry wants him to be coaching this team is simple insane.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

http://dcfanatic.com/?p=10601

I thought it was an interesting interview.

screw both of them. crayton was a loud mouth that thought he was better than he is. he was nothing but average and just a decent 3rd WR, who had a tendency to choke in big games. He sided with TO and was part of the problem with a devided locker room.

and holley was a game show pick that wasn't good enough to be invited to any team, outside of winning a game TV show and he couldnt' stick anywhere.

why does it matter what these guys said? these guys are just trying to stay relevant and they never were.

 

[ConstantReboot]

While I have no doubt Garrett called the play, is it a foregone conclusion that Wade wanted to take a knee? Even with Garrett being the play caller, decisions like 4th downs, FGs/Punts and kneel downs typically come from the coach. Unless Wade has said otherwise, it's far more likely Wade wanted to take another shot for some reason, maybe to get some halftime momentum, I'm not sure, but it's very possible that Garrett just chose the play.

Wade had no control of the offense. So he left it up to the Red Headed Genius to make the right call and he failed. At that time Wade was coaching the defense while Garrett was in charge of the offense. This is just another one of those crazy Jerry ideas thinking it would improve the team. Its so dumb.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many times did the D, give up winning TDs when the offense put them in the lead. Wade was the HC he was suppose to take the podium and take the heat. He is a hasbeen HC, and a very good DC. End of discussion

correction: he is now a has been DC as well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thank God we have Romo who at times throws the playbook away in order for the offense to be productive. Garrett's playbook sucks and has sucked for many years. He was part of Wade Philips fiasco and should have been fired along with the rest of the coaches.

yeah, like what he did in the Detroit game last year and the Denver game this year. awesome job tony.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Crayton screwed up no doubt , but if you actually watch the play, it sucked, so you can't credit Garrett. Romo was running for his life to the left sideline, buying time and none of the routes had anybody open. Crayton actually came and got open free wheeling.

And Jacque Reeves single handedly gave the Giants a TD right before the half.

so lets call it what it is. their defense played good, our WRs couldn't get open. Romo scrambled, saved the play only to see crayton screw it up.... and the defense giving up two TDs in the last two minutes of each half. big plays too.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Garrett threw Romo under the bus after the Green Bay game this year, even the local media was tweeting about it.

I guess that ended the coddling if there is any truth to that.

I wish he would have done that a lot earlier. Parcells only had patience to a point and was never afraid to call out his players. wish garrett would do that. play was called a run. romo changed it to a pass because of the look he saw. and yet their defense couldn't stop our running game no matter how many in the box. so lets admit that Romo is no peyton and that garrett should make his leash much shorter and reign him in and he hasn't.

even the defensive players called out romo (hatcher) during practice for changing plays to a pass from a run.