Crayton Talking Live on ESPN

[Vintage]

Yeah I was the one who failed on this one because you didn't wait to see Crayton start up some drama and then you lied and said you missed that part because you went to the bathroom, lol.


Classic.

Well, we can rehash this..... or you could read the entire thread.

Guess we'll rehash.

I posted it originally, to let those who wanted (and could) watch, could turn it on and watch. The interview just began.

And he was in fact, backing Owens.

I later recapped the parts I heard.

I even mentioned I missed part of the interview because I had to pee. So it wasn't me "setting an agenda." Unless of course, my agenda is peeing. Which, it was. But no.... apparently I have a pro Owens agenda, according to you.

I couldn't care less what we do with Owens anymore. Keep him. Cut him. Just make a decision. He's talented. Not sure he's worth the headache. I just want a decision. I think he's talented and could help the team win. Not sure if we'll be better off with/without Owens. But I do know we haven't won a playoff game with him. So worse case scenario, we don't win a playoff game without him. Oh well. I'm used to that. I'm a Cowboys fan.

I admitted and noted in this thread, I made the thread abruptly so others could see it.

You felt the "need" to prove me wrong.

What is failing.... is your ability to recognize that I had already previously stated I made the thread BEFORE the interview concluded.



Lastly - I left when I did because the interview wasn't overly exciting. Crayton was backing Owens, I expected that, so I didn't think anything exciting would be missed. Apparently, I did.

 

[dcfanatic]

Figure it out bro. You act like you're pretty smart.

Inman - So they made a mistake in not cutting Strahan, yes? I also have to question your memory in saying that Strahan was less than Tiki and Shockey. I remember Strahan and Tiki. I don't remember Shockey really doing anything but ***** about stuff in general, not the discipline methods of his coaches.

edit: Moreover, Shockey wasn't gone by roster transaction--he was hurt and still a member of the team.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11192483

Last season's playoff disappointment -- becoming the first No. 1 seed in the NFC to lose its first playoff game since the current format began in 1990 -- isn't exactly the kind of legacy-adder he wanted. A roll this January "obviously would help," Phillips said.

 

[ethiostar]

The problem with all this is that TO has proven he can't take this non-sugarcoated, all-out-in-the-open talk he supposedly wants. Just ask Brad Childress or Todd Haley.

As usual, it's a one-way street with him. He can trash people and it's "honesty" and "straight shooting". When someone has one of these "man to man" talks with, he's being disrespected.

I have to agree with you on that one. As brutally honest as he is, he is very thin skinned. Even if he wasn't i don't think we have the personnel that can engage with him in that fashion. That would take someone very strong, honest, outspoken and not easily intimidated. It would be ironic if the Boys cut him and ends up landing in SF, maybe Mike Singletary can stare at him with those eyes.

 

[irvin4evs]

And these reporters all know and talk to people close to and on the team, even if it's off the record. They know a lot more than we do, even if they can't say it in their articles. The best proof of that was when they were talking about Quincy getting back on drugs and the whole team knowing about it, and that being the real reason Hutchinson started before they really wanted him to. They said EVERYONE around the team knew this was going on, but we never heard about it in the press.

Not trying to step on your toes Lab, but if the press knew it, they would report it. Mickey didn't report it cuz he's on the payroll, but if Galloway, JFE, JJT, etc. heard as much as someone asking if it were the case or got a sniff of bud off of Q's breath during an interview, they'd run with it.

If they followed the rules of real journalists, then what you say would definintely be the case. These guys don't follow the rules, though, they don't use restraint and they run with sensation every chance they get.

As far as Hutch starting before Q, I would chalk that up to Jerry wanting to see his new toy which, at the time, netted a large signing bonus from him. No different than Henson on Thanksgiving. You think BP really was down with that?

 

[CoCo]

I've worked with enough drama queens in the work place to know hey have a knack of sniffing out who's disgruntled about something, it could be anything, and then buddying up with them and channeling that resentment on a totally unrelated issue to get them to join "their side" against the "others" (whoever they may be). I could see TO doing that with MB3 in regards to Jerry's comments. I could see TO doing that with Newman if he was really upset that Wade called him out. I could see him doing that to RW11 if he felt Romo wasn't looking his way enough. This is classic textbook Pot Stirrer 101 stuff.

Mickey said something off hand yesterday that his motto for 2009 would be "Shut Up and Play", and he would love to stick signs with that motto all over the lockerroom similar to the way Parcells put up signs in the lockerroom saying "Losers sit around in little groups in the lockerroom and ***** and complain about things." I thought it was interesting Mickey used that specific sign as his example just off the top of his head.

I would modify your scenario as follows. I think complainers tend to seek out other complainers. But just because someone has been offended doesn't mean they will carry an attitude of offense.

I think the cycle starts not with being offended but rather with having an attitude of taking offense. The latter types find ways to be offended even where none exists. A typical person who experiences offense deals with it, gets over it, and moves on.

So am I worried specifically about Barber or T-New because of the potential offense they suffered? No. Because I've seen nothing from them to indicate they are the "I'm offended" type.

But am I worried about other potential complainers in the locker room being influenced by significant negativity in the air and as a result magnifying it. Absolutely!

And I think you might want to consider Crayton as Exhibit A.

 

[irvin4evs]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11192483

Last season's playoff disappointment -- becoming the first No. 1 seed in the NFC to lose its first playoff game since the current format began in 1990 -- isn't exactly the kind of legacy-adder he wanted. A roll this January "obviously would help," Phillips said.

Uh oh. You tranny tricked me with the conference qualifier. And a seventeen year timeline (so much history!).

 

[xWraithx]

I have to agree with you on that one. As brutally honest as he is, he is very thin skinned. Even if he wasn't i don't think we have the personnel that can engage with him in that fashion. That would take someone very strong, honest, outspoken and not easily intimidated. It would be ironic if the Boys cut him and ends up landing in SF, maybe Mike Singletary can stare at him with those eyes.

:laugh2:

I have this image in my head of TO first arriving to the 49ers locker room to be met by Singletary..

TO: Hi Mike, good to meet you

Singletary:

TO: Mike?

Singletary:

TO: I'm gonna go now...

Singletary:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not trying to step on your toes Lab, but if the press knew it, they would report it. Mickey didn't report it cuz he's on the payroll, but if Galloway, JFE, JJT, etc. heard as much as someone asking if it were the case or got a sniff of bud off of Q's breath during an interview, they'd run with it.

If they followed the rules of real journalists, then what you say would definintely be the case. These guys don't follow the rules, though, they don't use restraint and they run with sensation every chance they get.

No problem, but I don't know why they didn't report it. But this was on a football roundtable with several area reporters, and they all agreed the Q story was common knowledge among them.

Why didn't they report it at the time? I don't know. Maybe it was all told to them off the record. Maybe they didn't quite have the burden of proof they require. Maybe some of them think personal problems like that are off-limits as long as they don't result in a suspension on the field... In fact, I know a lot of them do believe that. Same as how they don't report about athletes having affairs. (At least they're not all stooping to the level of the New York Post.)

 

[irvin4evs]

I'm only asking this honestly--can anyone cite me a case where TO wasn't open to criticism/coaching?

I seem to recall him going to the media and talking about how he was disappointed in himself and that he needed to play better. This season, that was.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

:laugh2:

I have this image in my head of TO first arriving to the 49ers locker room to be met by Singletary..

TO: Hi Mike, good to meet you

Singletary:

TO: Mike?

Singletary:

TO: I'm gonna go now...

Singletary:

Awesome use of smiley right there!

 

[irvin4evs]

Same as how they don't report about athletes having affairs. (At least they're not all stooping to the level of the New York Post.)

Give them time, G.

 

[ethiostar]

:laugh2:

I have this image in my head of TO first arriving to the 49ers locker room to be met by Singletary..

TO: Hi Mike, good to meet you

Singletary:

TO: Mike?

Singletary:

TO: I'm gonna go now...

Singletary:

:laugh1:

 

[InmanRoshi]

JJT has often said he knows a lot of stuff about the team that he can't print because his editor needs at least two individual, seperate sources to verify the story. So even if he only has once source, and he knows that source to be rock solid, he can't run with it until he finds another one to back it up.

 

[wileedog]

Why didn't they report it at the time? I don't know.

I would suspect most of the time it is because they want to keep a source of information flowing.

Unless its just a blockbuster, why print some minor innuendo about the locker and tick off the player enough to not talk to you anymore?

Because the next tip might turn into the blockbuster.

Parcells drummed this into the players heads constantly - the media are not your friend. They will go to great lengths to act like they are, but they are just doing their job.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I was just letting people know in case they wanted to hear from an actual Cowboy player, instead of.... say...... dunno....

ESPN media speculators.

Some say he's a player. Others say he's a poseur.
I believe the latter.

 

[dcfanatic]

I'm only asking this honestly--can anyone cite me a case where TO wasn't open to criticism/coaching?

I seem to recall him going to the media and talking about how he was disappointed in himself and that he needed to play better. This season, that was.

Todd Haley.

He said he was unleashed against the 49ers.

That tells you that he was disappointed in himself or that he was disappointed in the way he was being used which is an indictment of his OC?

And his entire interview with Deion was about the offensive system he was playing in not catering to him and what he does well.

And you said I needed a history lesson, lol.

 

[xWraithx]

Some say he's a player. Others say he's a poseur.
I believe the latter.

Ernest Hemmingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place... and worth fighting for"

I agree with the 2nd part.

name the movie

 

[tyke1doe]

Some say he's a player. Others say he's a poseur.
I believe the latter.

As if Crayton knows who the snitch is.

 

[irvin4evs]

Todd Haley.

He said he was unleashed against the 49ers.

That tells you that he was disappointed in himself or that he was disappointed in the way he was being used which is an indictment of his OC?

And his entire interview with Deion was about the offensive system he was playing in not catering to him and what he does well.

And you said I needed a history lesson, lol.

1. Todd Haley and Owens clashed because of personality, no? Haley fancied himself as a young BP and followed his lead with the obnoxious aggressiveness. There's no indication that Haley said "Run the route better" and TO said "I can't take this anymore!"

It didn't help that Owens thought Haley sold him out to the media. Is coaches taking it to the press OK? Thought so. Whatever.

2. Owens referred to himself, not the playcalling, in the instance I referred to.

3. The offense WASN'T catered to him and look at the results. Do you need a lesson on what happened?

I've never seen people get so pissed off at a man for being entirely right.

 

[tyke1doe]

Patrick Crayton, as you would expect, stuck up for his pal T.O. during a live appearance on SportsCenter.
Crayton said the chemistry in the Cowboys' locker room was "just fine," although he contradicted that statement later in the interview. He raved about T.O. being a "great influence" who makes the players around him work harder.
"He pushes you," Crayton said, "because you see greatness and you want to get to that level."
After some harping about Ed Werder's unnamed sources, the interview really got interesting when Crayton was asked about T.O.'s relationship with the coaching staff.
"By the end of the season, I would say maybe a little rocky," Crayton said. "A little rocky because I think sometimes when you sit down and you have man-to-man talks, I know Terrell is one of those guys who is not going to bite his tongue, and if you're not going to be straightforward with him, there's not going to be a respect there. If you're not going to shoot him straightforward when he's shooting you straightforward and being honest ...

"He's one of those guys, like several other players, we wear our hearts on our sleeve. When it comes time to get business done on the field, that's what we're about. If you're not going to be straightforward, you're going to lose some respect there. They always say respect is earned; it's not given. You have to earn the respect of a player like that."
Does T.O. respect Jason Garrett?

"I think he respects him to a degree," Crayton said. "I'm not sure exactly. You really have to ask him how much he really respects him totally. I'm not sure if he respects him totally because of some of the comments and some of the things that happened throughout the season."
Can T.O. and Garrett work together again?
"Yeah, I think you could definitely see them working together," Crayton said. "But, like I said, that's going to have to be a man-to-man sit-down talk. It's going to have to be no sugarcoating. Everything has to be laid out on the line. You can't be afraid to hurt somebody's feelings, because it's going to have to be said in order for us to move on and be back to the form when had in 2007 when we were 13-3 and we were on the brink of making history again.
"This past season was just really, really disappointing, just because we had all the talent but we didn't have that one thing we needed to get us over the hump, and that was some togetherness."
Most folks can agree with Crayton's last statement. The debate is whether getting rid of T.O. would help the team's togetherness.
Crayton clearly doesn't think so. Too bad ESPN couldn't get Tony Romo to make an appearance.

Maybe Crayton is the locker room snitch. :laugh2: