Crayton Talking Live on ESPN

[TheCount]

Maybe Crayton is the locker room snitch. :laugh2:

Entirely possible. I think it's either him or Bobby Carpenter. Hell, could have been Tank Johnson.

 

[irvin4evs]

Whoever said it didn't have much to lose. The short list:

Tank
Booby
Burnett
Any of the practice squad types
Tony Curtis
Brad
Ellis
Canty

 

[CoCo]

I'm 50/50 on releasing TO mostly because its so difficult to separate truth from fiction as an internet fan.

Having said that I am 100% of the belief that TO is a lightning rod for controversy and that a certain portion of that is his fault.

I have no problem with folks trying to separate truth from fiction and absolving TO when that is appropriate.

But anyone who believes that TO is above criticism in any of this simply isn't paying attention. Its those kinds of folks, take Crayton for example, who end up being enablers for TO rather than true friends.

Crayton talking on national TV about TO "somewhat" respecting Garrett (or however it was worded) is absolutely wrong. It may be true, but its not how you resolve conflict. Its how you make it fester. And its ironic that its couched in a claim that TO insists on face to face non-sugarcoated resolution.

Truth by itself, isn't the ultimate formula. Truth handled with appropriateness is. That's what some folks (and probably TO himself given his Deion interview) are missing in this equation. And its a VERY big miss. It may be fatal to his Dallas career.

 

[dcfanatic]

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Remember when he was that free agent small school QB who was making a name because of his hard work and his struggle to become an NFL WR.

And then he did it and he was promising because of his great hands.

Then we loved him because he was making plays and we all root for the 'underdog'.

Now he's a big mouth idiot who can't say no to a mic.

A guy who in a span of 5 minutes said that there wasn't a 'chemistry issue' on the team and then said the team didn't have enough 'togetherness' at the end of the season.

Sad.

 

[Idgit]

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Remember when he was that free agent small school QB who was making a name because of his hard work and his struggle to become an NFL WR.

And then he did it and he was promising because of his great hands.

Then we loved him because he was making plays and we all root for the 'underdog'.

Now he's a big mouth idiot who can't say no to a mic.

A guy who in a span of 5 minutes said that there wasn't a 'chemistry issue' on the team and then said the team didn't have enough 'togetherness' at the end of the season.

Sad.

Thanks for the link.

Crayton is making a distinction between chemistry in the locker room (ie, Romo, Witten, TO) and chemistry in the organization (ie, TO and Garrett). I don't see why that's particularly confusing.

He shouldn't probably have speculated as to whether or not TO respects Garrett, and should have gone to the 'you'll have to ask TO' line earlier, but whatever. I don't understand the hate for Crayton on this board.

Does it sound like the WRs suspect Garrett is the one who leaked the TO story? I wonder. Putting this together with Aikman's TO comments in the other thread (assuming Aikman talks to Garrett, which is probably pretty safe to assume), it's sure starting to sound like the real issue is between TO and the coordinator. This would put Jerry's supposed new willingness to let JG walk into context. I wonder what cutting TO means across the board to the Cowboys in terms of merchandise and PR coverage. I suspect that's the equation that's really being weighed right now, and if Garrett gets the Rams job, Jerry will have to have an answer for that pretty quick.

 

[zeromaster]

Interesting stuff. Hopefully it won't be too much longer before it all shakes out and then a whole new set of recriminations can begin

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Thanks for the link DCFanatic.

When Patrick Crayton was asked what Terrell Owens' relationship was like with the Coaching Staff at the end of the Season, Patrick Crayton described it as "a little rocky".

Furthermore, when Patrick Crayton was asked if Terrell Owens respects Jason Garrett, Patrick Crayton states that Terrell Owens respects him to a degree but states that I am not sure he respects him totally.

Funny, when he was asked if Terrell Owens and Jason Garrett could work together, he said they could but before that could happen, they would have to have a man to man talk.

And there you have it folks.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a rift between Terrell Owens and members of the Coaching Staff and I believe there are people (Patrick Crayton among them) that side with Terrell Owens.

 

[ndanger]

Thanks for the link DCFanatic.

When Patrick Crayton was asked what Terrell Owens' relationship was like with the Coaching Staff at the end of the Season, Patrick Crayton described it as "a little rocky".

Furthermore, when Patrick Crayton was asked if Terrell Owens respects Jason Garrett, Patrick Crayton states that Terrell Owens respects him to a degree but states that I am not sure he respects him totally.

Funny, when he was asked if Terrell Owens and Jason Garrett could work together, he said they could but before that could happen, they would have to have a man to man talk.

And there you have it folks.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a rift between Terrell Owens and members of the Coaching Staff and I believe there are people (Patrick Crayton among them) that side with Terrell Owens.

It certainly sounds like the first sit down man to man talk they all had with Garret was an epic failure.

My take on it , if your Crayton, and your working your butt off and not getting enough balls thrown your way because Witten and T.O. get the bulk of them, and the team brings in Roy Willy the sequel, you automatically are a disgruntled employee.What are you gonna do? Some people have the mentality that if they can't be happy, then nobody should be happy. It's really not much different than some of the banter that's prevalent here on this board. This guy proved me wrong so now every thread I make is gonna be about proving them wrong.

 

[visionary]

Thanks for the link DCFanatic.

When Patrick Crayton was asked what Terrell Owens' relationship was like with the Coaching Staff at the end of the Season, Patrick Crayton described it as "a little rocky".

Furthermore, when Patrick Crayton was asked if Terrell Owens respects Jason Garrett, Patrick Crayton states that Terrell Owens respects him to a degree but states that I am not sure he respects him totally.

Funny, when he was asked if Terrell Owens and Jason Garrett could work together, he said they could but before that could happen, they would have to have a man to man talk.

And there you have it folks.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a rift between Terrell Owens and members of the Coaching Staff and I believe there are people (Patrick Crayton among them) that side with Terrell Owens.

JG >>>>TO period

Cut TO
Good players
Too much of a headcase
Not worth it

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm 50/50 on releasing TO mostly because its so difficult to separate truth from fiction as an internet fan.

Having said that I am 100% of the belief that TO is a lightning rod for controversy and that a certain portion of that is his fault.

I have no problem with folks trying to separate truth from fiction and absolving TO when that is appropriate.

But anyone who believes that TO is above criticism in any of this simply isn't paying attention. Its those kinds of folks, take Crayton for example, who end up being enablers for TO rather than true friends.

Crayton talking on national TV about TO "somewhat" respecting Garrett (or however it was worded) is absolutely wrong. It may be true, but its not how you resolve conflict. Its how you make it fester. And its ironic that its couched in a claim that TO insists on face to face non-sugarcoated resolution.

Truth by itself, isn't the ultimate formula. Truth handled with appropriateness is. That's what some folks (and probably TO himself given his Deion interview) are missing in this equation. And its a VERY big miss. It may be fatal to his Dallas career.

:bravo:

Wonder how T.O. would handle this exchange:

Garrett: "So you want me to shoot straight from the hip? Okay, old man, you just aint got it anymore. You can't beat the jam at the line, and you're starting to show your age."

Yeah, T.O. would receive that straight talk.

 

[SteveOS]

Here is the link on ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3835774

 

[skinsscalper]

Funny how it's all of a sudden it's a get rid of T.O. or Garrett situation because T.O. thinks Garret's system sucks. Better ship Romo out the door too, there, geniuses. Add Roy Williams and Crayton to that list as well. What is your prodigal son worth, now?

Garrett's system does suck. There's a reason the Cowboys set a team record in offensive production in 07 and sucked balls in 08. That reason happens to be coaching in Miami right about now.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Does it sound like the WRs suspect Garrett is the one who leaked the TO story? I wonder. Putting this together with Aikman's TO comments in the other thread (assuming Aikman talks to Garrett, which is probably pretty safe to assume), it's sure starting to sound like the real issue is between TO and the coordinator.

I've wondered that myself. Garrett knows all the old media guys in town from his days before, and that seems to be huge to them. All the guys in town pretty always stick up for him -- RJ would be so much better if only Wade weren't here, etc. RJ is pretty savvy, and I've wondered if he isn't leaking some of this stuff to these guys. Even if it's not directly, it could even be to guys like Aikman and Norv, who Galloway and probably Reeves still talk to a lot.

But on the other hand, TO also did something similar with Todd Haley, thinking he was snitching on him and backstabbing him. The guy definitely has a persecution complex, and he tells all his buddies about it. That's the problem.

Ugh, who knows. I'd a lot rather be talking about a boring, nondescript WR corps... Like how Miles Austin has really grown into a good receiver.

 

[28 Joker]

I've worked with enough drama queens in the work place to know hey have a knack of sniffing out who's disgruntled about something, it could be anything, and then buddying up with them and channeling that resentment on a totally unrelated issue to get them to join "their side" against the "others" (whoever they may be). I could see TO doing that with MB3 in regards to Jerry's comments. I could see TO doing that with Newman if he was really upset that Wade called him out. I could see him doing that to RW11 if he felt Romo wasn't looking his way enough. This is classic textbook Pot Stirrer 101 stuff.

Mickey said something off hand yesterday that his motto for 2009 would be "Shut Up and Play", and he would love to stick signs with that motto all over the lockerroom similar to the way Parcells put up signs in the lockerroom saying "Losers sit around in little groups in the lockerroom and ***** and complain about things." I thought it was interesting Mickey used that specific sign as his example just off the top of his head.

I've seen it up close, too. I agree with your deduction, and I see how you could make that conjecture, too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I've wondered that myself. Garrett knows all the old media guys in town from his days before, and that seems to be huge to them. All the guys in town pretty always stick up for him -- RJ would be so much better if only Wade weren't here, etc. RJ is pretty savvy, and I've wondered if he isn't leaking some of this stuff to these guys. Even if it's not directly, it could even be to guys like Aikman and Norv, who Galloway and probably Reeves still talk to a lot.

But on the other hand, TO also did something similar with Todd Haley, thinking he was snitching on him and backstabbing him. The guy definitely has a persecution complex, and he tells all his buddies about it. That's the problem.

Ugh, who knows. I'd a lot rather be talking about a boring, nondescript WR corps... Like how Miles Austin has really grown into a good receiver.

I agree CL.

One of the worst things about Terrell Owens is listening and watching Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin coddle him like a baby.

I really do think Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin do him a diservice by treating him that way and giving him forums to publicly ridicule members of the Coaching Staff.

 

[28 Joker]

I always thought a coach deserved respect. If he tells you to run 20 yard routes, run them. You should learn that when you are 8-9 years old.

It isn't Terrell Owens' job to critique his offensive coordinator's job performance. That should be the head coach's job in a normal organization.

Owens turned on his last OC at S.F. He called Jeff Garcia "gay".
Owens turned on the current head coach at Minnesota when he was his coordinator at Philadelphia. He divided their locker room against McNabb.
Owens didnt like Todd Haley and celebrated Parcells leaving, because he didn't "like the way he was used".
Owens turned on Garrett, Romo, and Witten and did his "magic" in Dallas.

What is the one constant in all this drama?

iOwens/drama queen/diva/divider/paranoid/selfish/iplayer/Team Oblitorater

That's tough to run from.

 

[skinsscalper]

I agree CL.

One of the worst things about Terrell Owens is listening and watching Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin coddle him like a baby.

I really do think Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin do him a diservice by treating him that way and giving him forums to publicly ridicule members of the Coaching Staff.

Michael Irvin knows more about winning championships than this entire roster and coaching staff combined. I don't think T.O. should be coddled, either. I'll agree with that 100%. However, Sanders and Irvin recognize something that this entire coaching staff has overlooked. When you have a weapon like T.O., you find a way to put the ****ing ball in his hands effectively. Period. You don't do it at all costs. That's stupid. It is still a team game. But, you don't pay a guy 9 mil a year and not make him an integral part of a winning game plan. I think that's where Irvin and Sanders are right on the money.

 

[28 Joker]

I don't think Jason Garrett leaked major stuff about Owens, but what if your brother sees you being treated like crap by iOwens?

John Garrett

Of course, it's speculation.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Michael Irvin knows more about winning championships than this entire roster and coaching staff combined. I don't think T.O. should be coddled, either. I'll agree with that 100%. However, Sanders and Irvin recognize something that this entire coaching staff has overlooked. When you have a weapon like T.O., you find a way to put the ****ing ball in his hands effectively. Period. You don't do it at all costs. That's stupid. It is still a team game. But, you don't pay a guy 9 mil a year and not make him an integral part of a winning game plan. I think that's where Irvin and Sanders are right on the money.

Terrell Owens is not the only player on this offense making HUGE amounts of cash.

Folks need to come to grips and realize that this isn't Philadelphia. The Dallas Cowboys are bigger than Terrell Owens and is not the only Playmaker on Offense.

What is so sad about Terrell Owens is the times he chooses to publicly gripe.

Like after the Commanders Game, he had the nerve to whine, when he was thrown the most passes since he joined the team.

People need to also realize a few things:
1) The guys on the other side of the ball are getting paid, are pretty good and will not let one player beat them on a consistent basis.

2) Say what you want but Terrell Owens got punked at the Line of Scrimmage by some of those Cornerbacks. Yeah, those guys had help deep but they used the scheme to their advantage.

3) As stated earlier, Terrell Owens is not the only players on Offense making huge amounts of cash and the only guy that can make plays.

Im still PO'ed that we were constantly forcing the ball to Terrell Owens the 1st Commanders game while using Marion Barber sparingly and not even using Felix Jones.

 

[28 Joker]

Here's what I love about the T.O. fan club.

You mention nothing about the FACT that Crayton just said the relationship between T.O. and the coaching staff was ROCKY at the end of the season.

After some harping about Ed Werder's unnamed sources, the interview really got interesting when Crayton was asked about T.O.'s relationship with the coaching staff.

"By the end of the season, I would say maybe a little rocky," Crayton said. "A little rocky because I think sometimes when you sit down and you have man-to-man talks, I know Terrell is one of those guys who is not going to bite his tongue, and if you're not going to be straightforward with him, there's not going to be a respect there. If you're not going to shoot him straightforward when he's shooting you straightforward and being honest ...

"He's one of those guys, like several other players, we wear our hearts on our sleeve. When it comes time to get business done on the field, that's what we're about. If you're not going to be straightforward, you're going to lose some respect there. They always say respect is earned; it's not given. You have to earn the respect of a player like that."

And then he went on to say that T.O. respects Jason Garrett 'to a degree'...

Does T.O. respect Jason Garrett?

"I think he respects him to a degree," Crayton said. "I'm not sure exactly. You really have to ask him how much he really respects him totally. I'm not sure if he respects him totally because of some of the comments and some of the things that happened throughout the season."

Can T.O. and Garrett work together again?

"Yeah, I think you could definitely see them working together," Crayton said. "But, like I said, that's going to have to be a man-to-man sit-down talk. It's going to have to be no sugarcoating. Everything has to be laid out on the line. You can't be afraid to hurt somebody's feelings, because it's going to have to be said in order for us to move on and be back to the form when had in 2007 when we were 13-3 and we were on the brink of making history again.

"This past season was just really, really disappointing, just because we had all the talent but we didn't have that one thing we needed to get us over the hump, and that was some togetherness."
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But let's leave all that out in trying to say that Crayton said nothing was wrong, lol.

And what history is Crayton talking about?

The history of being the first #1 seed to flop at home and not even win one playoff game?

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

"They always say respect is earned; it's not given. You have to earn the respect of a player like that". Patrick Crayton

This comment by Crayton is very telling.

First, he says "a player like 'that'". Crayton gives Owens a higher standard when it comes to giving respect.

I guess Owens expects other people to kiss his butt, or I guess his standard of giving respect is higher than the "normal' player.

Owens has been given "Godlike" status, because he can do or say anything he wants to do and get away with it. He's "special".

What a joke we are. The rest of the NFL is laughing and other fans are, too.