Curious about George

mcc2121 said:
1. Do you keep Pickens? If so, how? One year via Franchise Tag or longterm contract? What does that contract look like?

2. Do you Franchise and trade him? If so, what are seeking and who are you trying to deal him to?

3. Let's say Pickens nets a first rounder this year, giving the Cowboys three, what are you trying to do with that flexibility?

My answers: I Franchise him and try and trade him to either the Jets, Panthers or Browns. Let's say they trade him to the Panthers for Pick #19, I use one of them to trade back for a 2nd and 3rd, or, perhaps, trade him to the Jets and get back the 1st next year. Or, if the Cowboys can trade down and pick up an early 2nd plus something, they could trade the 2nd for Max Crosby. A Crosby, Williams, Clark (on a reworked deal), EZ DLine could be solid.

I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.
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Other teams see WR the same way. It’s why no team is going to trade significant draft capital for a $30+ million receiver.
 
I think the Cowboys would be wise to retain Pickens in the best way possible. He's just better than anyone else we have at WR currently. CeeDee comes close to his production but isn't quite as consistent. Letting Pickens go would only create a need at WR that would require an early pick to replace him. Retaining Pickens would allow us to concentrate on drafting for defensive talent. Accomplishing that should rightly be this team's main focus for the upcoming draft and FA.
 
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slick325 said:
Keep him. Be creative with his deal and be aggressive in FA. The Eagles have it figured out as do the Rams. Get it together Jerry and Stephen. Get it done early! Well before FA.

Restructure all the deals needed to be restructured before FA. Then go sign Quay Walker (ILB from Green Bay) or O. Oweh (edge Chargers) on the 1st day of free agency. Whichever they choose, then make the draft the focus to grab the other position. A CB in the draft and maybe a safety via FA would be good too.

Do not continue to do business as usual or the same results will occur. Sign this guy early. No games. No nonsense. Then flip the script on how FA is handled. Make a run if you can in 2026. The QB isn't getting any younger.
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100%. I haven’t agreed so fully with a post on here in a long time - maybe ever.
 
mcc2121 said:
I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.
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It's a luxury position on the Chiefs, not on our team. Dak needs both Lamb and Pickens plus some. The offense has to improve, not devolve. Tag him or give him a 4 year deal. Trading him would defeat the purpose of trying to win. I lean heavily on a 4 year deal so his cap hits are low for the next 2 years.
 
mcc2121 said:
1. Do you keep Pickens? If so, how? One year via Franchise Tag or longterm contract? What does that contract look like?

2. Do you Franchise and trade him? If so, what are seeking and who are you trying to deal him to?

3. Let's say Pickens nets a first rounder this year, giving the Cowboys three, what are you trying to do with that flexibility?

My answers: I Franchise him and try and trade him to either the Jets, Panthers or Browns. Let's say they trade him to the Panthers for Pick #19, I use one of them to trade back for a 2nd and 3rd, or, perhaps, trade him to the Jets and get back the 1st next year. Or, if the Cowboys can trade down and pick up an early 2nd plus something, they could trade the 2nd for Max Crosby. A Crosby, Williams, Clark (on a reworked deal), EZ DLine could be solid.

I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.
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Pickens is a luxury.

I would tag him only if i wanted to trade him. And i dont think a team will give away a first for him.

Contract wise he will be too expensive.

I would let him go.
 
big dog cowboy said:
The problems were on the other side of the ball.

I strongly suspect you know that.
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The 30th ranked defense does have a way of affecting the outcome.

The offense did have their issues with consistency but a real defense could have helped overcome those times
 
Whiskey Cowboy said:
Franchise->trade for a 1->trade that 1 for a 1 next year and additional picks this year->package next year's 1 with our own to move up for a QB.

Something like that. I wouldn't be mad if they extended him long-term. Love what he brings on the field, but this team needs defensive help. That costs money and premium picks. Use what we have this year to beef up the defense and bring in Dak's replacement from next year's QB heavy class.
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If you trade for a first, I would also do as you say, trade that first for a next years first. And add another pick this year . That gives you the ammo to go get a top of the draft player next year and maybe a QB
 
StarBoyz83 said:
There is no point to keep him for one year. Dallas isnt winning of substances next season. Either tag to trade him or sign him.
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Actually there is It's not like he didn't earn a spot here but when he's the only asset on the team that you can get a first rounder for which in a draft this year the Cowboys need more Day 2 picks and we can save $30 million at minimum not signing him It's not going to hurt the offense that much I don't understand why you don't see it the original poster is correct You have to at least have strong considerations to trading him because it helps his team rebuild faster especially on defense..


This offense runs through Prescott and Lamb and although George Pickens had a great year he's not necessary you can draft another wide receiver and in the meantime in camp you can let Flournoy and the others like Holden fight it out and figure out who's gonna be the number two guy...

Prescott and Lamb in 2023 with an offense that wasn't even near as good meaning there wasn't anybody pulling coverages and respecting the run game and they still had an MVP like season together without George Pickens without really anybody That's not an anomaly prescott has operated as a top five offense for a very long time sometimes it's higher sometimes it's number one even without george pickens

This team has too many holes not to consider it i'm not saying they have to but you tag him you listen to offers you listen to him to see if he's going to be comfortable with whatever he might get paid or you hold him hostage under the tag that doesn't sound like a good idea either I don't think he'd be a happy camper playing under the tag..


You have to consider trading him after taking all those considerations in mind you have to look at it in the big picture for the team not because you love the guy and think that it was a waste how so you trade a 3rd rounder for a guy who at best was great entertainment for the fans because the season was a giant loss even with him Look at all those allegedly bad second half where they weren't scoring or where you caught him not giving his best and he apologized for it i'm sorry sometimes when there's two alpha dogs on the same team you say it makes the offense better I say that it can cause a lot of confusion where the quarterback and the play caller are trying to make both players happy too often...

Sometimes alpha dogs can't eat out of the same bowl and at times it seemed like that in games and I'm not saying that he doesn't make our offense better I'm saying our offense doesn't need him in order to function properly and be successful we've seen it already it's more important that you get a better left tackle You continue to improve the run game and for sure use money and resources To rebuild the defense as fast as possible..

Giving a 3rd round pick for the guy And getting a first back, and saving 30 million ,I'd say that that's a good trade even if you don't keep him.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Cheaper option for the next 4 years
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Some of these guys don't remember that without Amari Cooper, we had one of the best offensive outputs between quarterback and receiver in 2023, and that's without a quality run game ,or any protection for lamb, and he still had the best single season receiving year ever in the history of the Dallas cowboys and it puts him up there in the top ten all time for single season wr stats..

I like George Pickens,

I hope they can keep George Pickens,

but they're overvaluing his impact on this offense, I don't think they need him that's why he's not a luxury, and by the way they also don't remember that we would not had needed George Pickens had TET fell to us, he was number one on their board, they were going to get a receiver in last year's draft, that was their only one they considered, and he wasn't there.

so, they went out and got George Pickens which was a great move but if you can give up a third and get a first back save 30 million and then go back into the draft with more draft picks, That affords you to look for another receiver.

This is just an opinion, it doesn't mean it needs to happen but the Cowboys need to consider it, because he's the only asset we can get a 1st round pick for which resolves our 2nd day absence of draft picks, it also frees up 30 million..

we can get a better left tackle and improve the run game more and improve the defense that sounds like a win to me, if they choose to go that direction,

but I'm also OK with them keeping him.....
 
blueblood70 said:
Actually there is It's not like he didn't earn a spot here but when he's the only asset on the team that you can get a first rounder for which in a draft this year the Cowboys need more Day 2 picks and we can save $30 million at minimum not signing him It's not going to hurt the offense that much I don't understand why you don't see it the original poster is correct You have to at least have strong considerations to trading him because it helps his team rebuild faster especially on defense..


This offense runs through Prescott and Lamb and although George Pickens had a great year he's not necessary you can draft another wide receiver and in the meantime in camp you can let Flournoy and the others like Holden fight it out and figure out who's gonna be the number two guy...

Prescott and Lamb in 2023 with an offense that wasn't even near as good meaning there wasn't anybody pulling coverages and respecting the run game and they still had an MVP like season together without George Pickens without really anybody That's not an anomaly prescott has operated as a top five offense for a very long time sometimes it's higher sometimes it's number one even without george pickens

This team has too many holes not to consider it i'm not saying they have to but you tag him you listen to offers you listen to him to see if he's going to be comfortable with whatever he might get paid or you hold him hostage under the tag that doesn't sound like a good idea either I don't think he'd be a happy camper playing under the tag..


You have to consider trading him after taking all those considerations in mind you have to look at it in the big picture for the team not because you love the guy and think that it was a waste how so you trade a 3rd rounder for a guy who at best was great entertainment for the fans because the season was a giant loss even with him Look at all those allegedly bad second half where they weren't scoring or where you caught him not giving his best and he apologized for it i'm sorry sometimes when there's two alpha dogs on the same team you say it makes the offense better I say that it can cause a lot of confusion where the quarterback and the play caller are trying to make both players happy too often...

Sometimes alpha dogs can't eat out of the same bowl and at times it seemed like that in games and I'm not saying that he doesn't make our offense better I'm saying our offense doesn't need him in order to function properly and be successful we've seen it already it's more important that you get a better left tackle You continue to improve the run game and for sure use money and resources To rebuild the defense as fast as possible..

Giving a 3rd round pick for the guy And getting a first back, and saving 30 million ,I'd say that that's a good trade even if you don't keep him.
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The problem is once you tag him he, and his agent, control the trade.
 
blueblood70 said:
Some of these guys don't remember that without Amari Cooper, we had one of the best offensive outputs between quarterback and receiver in 2023, and that's without a quality run game ,or any protection for lamb, and he still had the best single season receiving year ever in the history of the Dallas cowboys and it puts him up there in the top ten all time for single season wr stats..

I like George Pickens,

I hope they can keep George Pickens,

but they're overvaluing his impact on this offense, I don't think they need him that's why he's not a luxury, and by the way they also don't remember that we would not had needed George Pickens had TET fell to us, he was number one on their board, they were going to get a receiver in last year's draft, that was their only one they considered, and he wasn't there.

so, they went out and got George Pickens which was a great move but if you can give up a third and get a first back save 30 million and then go back into the draft with more draft picks, That affords you to look for another receiver.

This is just an opinion, it doesn't mean it needs to happen but the Cowboys need to consider it, because he's the only asset we can get a 1st round pick for which resolves our 2nd day absence of draft picks, it also frees up 30 million..

we can get a better left tackle and improve the run game more and improve the defense that sounds like a win to me, if they choose to go that direction,

but I'm also OK with them keeping him.....
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you put some good things on here to think about. I just feel we have too many needs than to pay another WR 30 million, that can be used on other players to build this team
 
Pickens was a choir boy last season because he’s trying to get paid. Once he gets a fat contract that will change.
 
mcc2121 said:
1. Do you keep Pickens? If so, how? One year via Franchise Tag or longterm contract? What does that contract look like?

2. Do you Franchise and trade him? If so, what are seeking and who are you trying to deal him to?

3. Let's say Pickens nets a first rounder this year, giving the Cowboys three, what are you trying to do with that flexibility?

My answers: I Franchise him and try and trade him to either the Jets, Panthers or Browns. Let's say they trade him to the Panthers for Pick #19, I use one of them to trade back for a 2nd and 3rd, or, perhaps, trade him to the Jets and get back the 1st next year. Or, if the Cowboys can trade down and pick up an early 2nd plus something, they could trade the 2nd for Max Crosby. A Crosby, Williams, Clark (on a reworked deal), EZ DLine could be solid.

I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.
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Sign and keep him. We seen how he positively effected the offense last season.
Yes plenty of needs, but to weaken one area to hope to build up another area. And you can't be sure that is a trade off that will produce. It is not like they will get 3 players for 1.
 
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