Curious: Stephen v. Jerry Jones as Owner/GM

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Zordon said:
jerry is on record saying he expects stephen to be the GM as well.
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Where have you heard that, because I posted his actual words in this thread. Nothing about Stephen assuming the GM role in it.
 
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Idgit said:
Actually, what I meant to say was what I said in the first place. There's plenty to indicate that he's a very different personality from his father, and nothing we've seen from him suggests he can't work within a context where he's got a strong personality calling the football shots.

Sure, the reality is we cannot know until he's actually elevated, and there's nothing to say that he's going to be any better than his father in that capacity, or that he might not be much worse for any of a number of reasons. But that wasn't the OP's question. The OP wanted to know if Stephen would run things the same way. Not whether or not the way Stephen runs things is likely to be better or worse.
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There's plenty to indicate they have different personalities and that in some way means he might run the team different?

Give me examples. This shouldn't be hard since there are "plenty" of them. Because I can't think of a single thing to indicate he is not as power hungry and not willing to hold a position he has no qualifications for as his dear old Dad.

He's been in charge of the personnel department for years. My mother was as qualified as he was when he took the gig. My mother could have performed as well since he's had it.

Now why would that guy suddenly decide he's not capable of playing the GM role once his Dad's not around? Give me one sign that this is possible. I don't need plenty. I just want one.

Or you can admit what I said. You hope he won't. That's all this is.
 
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Risen Star said:
There's plenty to indicate they have different personalities and that in some way means he might run the team different?

Give me examples. This shouldn't be hard since there are "plenty" of them...
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No. And for no other reason that I don't feel like it. If people want to believe Stephen is likely to make the exact same mistakes Jerry's made with the team, either because they think he's got the same temperament as Jerry or because they think he'll make the same sorts of decisions for different reasons, they're free to. You're free to, too, of course. Not that you haven't made it clear enough already how you feel about it.

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Or you can admit what I said. You hope he won't. That's all this is.
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And, yes...I hope he won't. I also don't think that he will because I believe Stephen is more analytical than Jerry, less able to sell vapor than Jerry, and because his willingness to stay behind the scenes doesn't suggest to me that he has the same need for attention and credit that Jerry has. But, as I said, that doesn't mean he's not going to make his own set of huge mistakes. The reality is, we just don't know and won't until he takes over, if that ever happens. The good news is, you don't know any more about it than the rest of us in this regard, no matter how seriously fixating you may find the topic.
 
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Idgit said:
No. And for no other reason that I don't feel like it. If people want to believe Stephen is likely to make the exact same mistakes Jerry's made with the team, either because they think he's got the same temperament as Jerry or because they think he'll make the same sorts of decisions for different reasons, they're free to. You're free to, too, of course. Not that you haven't made it clear enough already how you feel about it.
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I see. So there's plenty to indicate how they're different but you just don't feel like talking about it.

Well, I'm convinced.



And, yes...I hope he won't. I also don't think that he will because I believe Stephen is more analytical than Jerry, less able to sell vapor than Jerry, and because his willingness to stay behind the scenes doesn't suggest to me that he has the same need for attention and credit that Jerry has. But, as I said, that doesn't mean he's not going to make his own set of huge mistakes. The reality is, we just don't know and won't until he takes over, if that ever happens. The good news is, you don't know any more about it than the rest of us in this regard, no matter how seriously fixating you may find the topic.
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We all hope he won't. That's besides the point. The question is will he?

Stephen stays behind the scenes? He's easily the most visible VP or Director of Personnel in the league. He's a constant quote in the media. He's front and center in front of the cameras during most major team media events like the draft and training camp. He couldn't possibly be more visible working under Jerry Jones. Doesn't he have his own radio show? What in God's name are you talking about?

What I know is Stephen Jones has been acting as the Director of Personnel on this team for years. He has no qualifications for the job and his performance should have gotten him fired 5 times over by now. Yet here he remains in charge of our personnel department. Someone so different than his daddy might at some point say to him "ya know, I don't really think I'm good at this, dad. I think I'll stick with being the VP and you can hire somebody legit to do this." A true voice of reason would say this. He hasn't. He's as comfortable running that con as his dad is at his.

Stephen was even quoted this year that it's "fun" to run the football operations. He's completely invested in it. That sounds like a guy just waiting for his turn so he can hand the team over to somebody else.

There's nothing but hope there. All that positive talk of Stephen years ago was a crock. You hope he's different. I do too. But there is nothing to indicate he will be. Whether you felt like talking about it or not.
 
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Risen Star said:
We all hope he won't. That's besides the point. The question is will he?

Stephen stays behind the scenes? He's easily the most visible VP or Director of Personnel in the league. He's a constant quote in the media. He's front and center in front of the cameras during most major team media events like the draft and training camp. He couldn't possibly be more visible working under Jerry Jones. Doesn't he have his own radio show? What in God's name are you talking about?

What I know is Stephen Jones has been acting as the Director of Personnel on this team for years. He has no qualifications for the job and his performance should have gotten him fired 5 times over by now. Yet here he remains in charge of our personnel department. Someone so different than his daddy might at some point say to him "ya know, I don't really think I'm good at this, dad. I think I'll stick with being the VP and you can hire somebody legit to do this." A true voice of reason would say this. He hasn't. He's as comfortable running that con as his dad is at his.

Stephen was even quoted this year that it's "fun" to run the football operations. He's completely invested in it. That sounds like a guy just waiting for his turn so he can hand the team over to somebody else.

There's nothing but hope there. All that positive talk of Stephen years ago was a crock. You hope he's different. I do too. But there is nothing to indicate he will be. Whether you felt like talking about it or not.
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So...you don't like Stephen, then? Tell us: how do you feel about Jerry?

We get it, Risen. And, no, there's no way I'm going to engage in an argument with you on the topic of the Joneses. I'm content to say that, if Stephen is bad, it'll probably be a different flavor of bad from his father's flavor, and leave it at that. If you really want to stick to the argument that it might be the same flavor of bad, too, I'm just not that interested in the point to debate it. They seem like different dudes, to me. I'd much rather get a drink with Jerry, and I think I'd rather have Stephen run my football operations. But that's just based off of what we get to see from a distance. If they're the same guys at heart, well, then...ok.
 
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Yes. We need a search option so the internet police can constantly tell people to search. Even when they may want new Opinions and information.
You're really not forced to click on it. Read it. Understand the topic. Post or move on.
It's that easy
 
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Risen Star said:
#$*@(@#*#!

Just #(@)$#@)(!
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You have never seen that?

Here, perhaps this will brighten your day.

The present, near future and distant future:

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I don't think we'll know what Stephen will be like until the time comes when Jerry is out of the mix entirely. In specific terms, this probably means when Jerry is incapacitated or six feet under. I'm hoping Stephen is more level-headed than his father and I'm also hoping his judgment is substantially better. If Jerry has been totally convincing in influencing Stephen that his way is the right way, then all I can say is God help us all.
 
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Here is what I truly don't understand .. If some that are here are Dallas cowboy fans yet they don't feel anything will ever change for the better (which I assume means no chance at winning anything that matters ever again)
These fans claim as long as Jerry is in charge and now some say Stephen will continue this .. We are doomed ..,..

Then why remain a fan of The Dallas cowboys? Why come here to the zone and spew the same rhetoric over and over?
I mean we get it.. You feel JJ is horrible .. Heck I even agree with some of it but here's a clue... IT isn't changing .. He owns the team... Period... He will do what he wants, how he wants and when he wants.. Your choice is A) tune out find another team
B) remain hopeful that someday it will get better
C) stay miserable.. Continue the doom and gloom and I guess feel better about yourself when you do it ., especially if you stomp on anyone else that might say anything remotely positive or hopeful


Sorry , just don't get it
 
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ladiewolve said:
I wonder if Jerry Jones has willed the Dallas Cowboys to his Children, and if so, once he is gone do you think Stephen runs the Cowboys the same way his father did or do you think he changes it...steps back and lets the coaches (all of them) do what they were hired to do? Thoughts?
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He's been heading the personnel department with Lacewell and Jim Garrett since 1997. Maybe these guys fill Jerry's head with all the delusions, when pre these clowns, Jerry let Jimmy do his thing.
 
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Zordon said:
jerry is on record saying he expects stephen to be the GM as well.
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Stephen was specifically asked about this in years past and his response was that it wasn't his intention to serve as GM when he eventually assumes the head role. Whether or not he's changed his mind hasn't been made public to the best of my knowledge. Jerry may expect it but that surely doesn't mean Stephen is bound by that. Stephen's ideas have reportedly been in contrast with Jerry's many times but it's not always released publicly. Hopefully, he'll be able to continue to think for himself and hire someone to serve as GM but his intentions certainly haven't been written in stone by any means. We may not know for sure until he assumes command.
 
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Idgit said:
I can't imagine Stephen running the organization the way Jerry has. They seem like very different personalities, for one. And Stephen I'm sure has a healthy ego, but he doesn't seem an egomaniac of truly epic proportions.
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If true, he sure hasnt been successful talking daduh outta much...
 
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WoodysGirl said:
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...oys-owner-has-no-interest-in-slowing-down.ece

People should bookmark this link..
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I don't hate Jerry (although I really really really didn't like his behaviors once). And I certainly don't think a great deal of him. It's in between.

But I have to say, upon rereading this (Thanks so much WG) that it is a little depressing to think they will own the Cowboys long after I'm gone.

 
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