Curious: Stephen v. Jerry Jones as Owner/GM

dreghorn2

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Why wouldn't he? He's already pretending to be a Director of Personnel. He's clearly not qualified for the gig and has sucked large at it since he's been there but yet he continues the charade to this day. Why wouldn't he take over and pretend he's a NFL GM too? He'd talk about all his years in personnel in preparation for the job.

What you meant to say is you hope he doesn't. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he won't. That he is anything other than his father's son.

My goodness are you saying the man with the following resume is not a top of the line NFL executive? He was integral in our 3 Superbowls in the 90s. Make sure to hit the more button when viewing.

Silly Risen Star.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/staff/stephen-jones/4f600a24-07ae-44a7-b8ea-2d349c12f202
 

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Unless Jerry is dead.... I think if Jerry resigned and Stephen took over, Jerry would STILL insist on having some input.
 

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Because I can't think of a single thing to indicate he is not as power hungry and not willing to hold a position he has no qualifications for as his dear old Dad.

He's been in charge of the personnel department for years. My mother was as qualified as he was when he took the gig. My mother could have performed as well since he's had it.

Qualifications for a GM? What are you mumbling about? Like you have a clue what qualifications make a successful GM. Feel free to list your 'qualifications' for a GM. Both Jerry and Stephen are more than qualified to be GMs in the NFL. Jerry has dedicated decades of his life to football. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't qualified. Same with Stephen.

Don't know if all true, but here's a little on Stephen from a simple search:

"Entering his 11th year as a NFL executive, Mr. Jones has enjoyed a life-long association with the game of football. A four-year letterman as a linebacker and special teams stand-out at the University of Arkansas, Mr. Jones was a starter for the Razorbacks in the Orange Bowl Classic that followed the 1986 season. Prior to attending the University of Arkansas, Mr. Jones was an all-state quarterback and a three-year starter at Catholic High School in Little Rock, AR. Mr. Jones graduated from Arkansas in 1988 with a degree in chemical engineering and went to work in the oil and gas business for JMC Exploration as an engineer."

He is a chemical engineer. I am an electrical engineer and can assure you engineers are smart and logical. ChemE is very difficult, one of the hardest engineering fields. Engineers tend to avoid risk and have backup plans and look at the problem from various angles before choosing the best solution. Engineers are often good listeners and quick learners. Engineering at its basic is logic. Engineers understand statistics, probability, and risk-reward. Engineers make good leaders. Not the loners and individuals some engineers are but Stephen is not some loner. All NFL GMs get advice and make decisions. As long as Stephen is getting good advice from his advisors, scouts, etc. I am confident he will do well.

Power hungry? What does that have to do with the price of bananas? Those people exist in all phases of life. Most corporate execs are power hungry freaks. I can assure you that engineers detest to the nth degree micro-managers. I would be very surprised if Stephen turned into a micro-manager. Stephen was lucky to have inherited power, so I don't think he has a hunger for it.

For some reason you hate the Jones Family with a passion. Maybe some guy named Jones stole your lunch money or your girlfriend. Maybe you are just jealous because Jerry Jones has more money than you and all your ancestors both past, present,and future ever will combined. The Jones family ain't going anywhere. And if it means so much to you, there are 31 other teams out there with 'qualified' GMs.
 

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Qualifications for a GM? What are you mumbling about? Like you have a clue what qualifications make a successful GM. Feel free to list your 'qualifications' for a GM. Both Jerry and Stephen are more than qualified to be GMs in the NFL. Jerry has dedicated decades of his life to football. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't qualified. Same with Stephen.

Okay. You win. They are "qualified".

A lot of doctors are qualified but are incompetent quacks. Same difference.

Their collective body of work outside of the initial success enjoyed when paired with Jimmy Johnson and the personnel department at that time has been average at it's finest, abhorrent at it's worst.
 

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Okay. You win. They are "qualified".

A lot of doctors are qualified but are incompetent quacks. Same difference.

Their collective body of work outside of the initial success enjoyed when paired with Jimmy Johnson and the personnel department at that time has been average at it's finest, abhorrent at it's worst.

Hey, feel free to chime in with your list of GM 'qualifications.' The traits you would look for in a GM. This should be interesting. You might want to google current GMs and their bios. I hear Clev has/had some really qualified GMs.
 

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Hey, feel free to chime in with your list of GM 'qualifications.' The traits you would look for in a GM. This should be interesting. You might want to google current GMs and their bios.

Hey, feel free to explain why 17 years of futility continues despite the fact they are "qualified". I already gave you the internet win.

Finish me off.
 

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I wonder if Jerry Jones has willed the Dallas Cowboys to his Children, and if so, once he is gone do you think Stephen runs the Cowboys the same way his father did or do you think he changes it...steps back and lets the coaches (all of them) do what they were hired to do? Thoughts?

Agree that Stephen will take over after the old gizzard kicks the bucket......about 10 years into this hopeless mess I thought Stevie boy would learn from daddy's failures and shortcomings. But the last couple of years, I have come to the conclusion....gut feeling only......that he will run this joint the same as dear old dad. EVERYTHING will be run through him and he will have his hands all the way up to his elbows in the masa.

Of course, we will know right away on his first coach hire.....is he a Garrett, Campo, Wade type.....or Parcells, Johnson type....that will be the billion dollar question.
 

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Agree that Stephen will take over after the old gizzard kicks the bucket......about 10 years into this hopeless mess I thought Stevie boy would learn from daddy's failures and shortcomings. But the last couple of years, I have come to the conclusion....gut feeling only......that he will run this joint the same as dear old dad. EVERYTHING will be run through him and he will have his hands all the way up to his elbows in the masa.

Of course, we will know right away on his first coach hire.....is he a Garrett, Campo, Wade type.....or Parcells, Johnson type....that will be the billion dollar question.

Just take a look at Mark Davis for a starter kit. But Stephen has a better haircut.
 

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I wonder if Jerry Jones has willed the Dallas Cowboys to his Children, and if so, once he is gone do you think Stephen runs the Cowboys the same way his father did or do you think he changes it...steps back and lets the coaches (all of them) do what they were hired to do? Thoughts?

I think he does because he has been fooled by his father to think this is how you run a franchise. He won't be any better I hope he sells the team.
 

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Qualifications for a GM? What are you mumbling about? Like you have a clue what qualifications make a successful GM. Feel free to list your 'qualifications' for a GM. Both Jerry and Stephen are more than qualified to be GMs in the NFL. Jerry has dedicated decades of his life to football. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't qualified. Same with Stephen.

Don't know if all true, but here's a little on Stephen from a simple search:

"Entering his 11th year as a NFL executive, Mr. Jones has enjoyed a life-long association with the game of football. A four-year letterman as a linebacker and special teams stand-out at the University of Arkansas, Mr. Jones was a starter for the Razorbacks in the Orange Bowl Classic that followed the 1986 season. Prior to attending the University of Arkansas, Mr. Jones was an all-state quarterback and a three-year starter at Catholic High School in Little Rock, AR. Mr. Jones graduated from Arkansas in 1988 with a degree in chemical engineering and went to work in the oil and gas business for JMC Exploration as an engineer."

He is a chemical engineer. I am an electrical engineer and can assure you engineers are smart and logical. ChemE is very difficult, one of the hardest engineering fields. Engineers tend to avoid risk and have backup plans and look at the problem from various angles before choosing the best solution. Engineers are often good listeners and quick learners. Engineering at its basic is logic. Engineers understand statistics, probability, and risk-reward. Engineers make good leaders. Not the loners and individuals some engineers are but Stephen is not some loner. All NFL GMs get advice and make decisions. As long as Stephen is getting good advice from his advisors, scouts, etc. I am confident he will do well.

Power hungry? What does that have to do with the price of bananas? Those people exist in all phases of life. Most corporate execs are power hungry freaks. I can assure you that engineers detest to the nth degree micro-managers. I would be very surprised if Stephen turned into a micro-manager. Stephen was lucky to have inherited power, so I don't think he has a hunger for it.

For some reason you hate the Jones Family with a passion. Maybe some guy named Jones stole your lunch money or your girlfriend. Maybe you are just jealous because Jerry Jones has more money than you and all your ancestors both past, present,and future ever will combined. The Jones family ain't going anywhere. And if it means so much to you, there are 31 other teams out there with 'qualified' GMs.

Might as well get Stephen Hawking by this logic. As far as I can tell, only a couple of other teams operate a somewhat similar business model of zero accountability for a GM to the owner - Raiders and Bengals. Before Al Davis went senile, he had a pretty impressive resume record - not looking good for boy Lloyd Christmas hair. The Bengals and Mike Brown....hardly a beacon other teams strive to be. Throw in Washington and Snyder who bypasses coaches to meddle in player relationships and none of the above similar models are proving to be successful.

I cant think of another team where the "VP Player personnel" has a radio show and the first 5 paragraphs of the team bio is dedicated to stadium and civic issues. Of course you get this interesting tidbit

Jones played an integral role in the team's rise from a 1-15 record in 1989 to being the NFL's �Team of the Decade� with three Super Bowl titles in the 1990s. As he enters his 19th NFL season, Jones is a driving force behind the Cowboys resurgence as one of the elite level teams in the NFL. His recent work has seen the club restock its roster with some of the game's top young talent, and the recent results have produced winning records in three of the last four seasons and a pair of playoff appearances over that same span. .

All that after the first pragraph saying he "entering his 11th year as an Exec" and "19 years experience." Integral to the those 3 SBs though.
 

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No. And for no other reason that I don't feel like it. If people want to believe Stephen is likely to make the exact same mistakes Jerry's made with the team, either because they think he's got the same temperament as Jerry or because they think he'll make the same sorts of decisions for different reasons, they're free to. You're free to, too, of course. Not that you haven't made it clear enough already how you feel about it.



And, yes...I hope he won't. I also don't think that he will because I believe Stephen is more analytical than Jerry, less able to sell vapor than Jerry , and because his willingness to stay behind the scenes doesn't suggest to me that he has the same need for attention and credit that Jerry has. But, as I said, that doesn't mean he's not going to make his own set of huge mistakes. The reality is, we just don't know and won't until he takes over, if that ever happens. The good news is, you don't know any more about it than the rest of us in this regard, no matter how seriously fixating you may find the topic.

lol vaporized!
 

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What year would that be?

Isn't that one heck of a resume, he signed Bigg, Kosier, and Hamlin to follow up his 'integral' involvement in our three 90s wins.. our future is secure.

One more weekly radio show and I'll know this cutting edge executive is ready to put on his dads leadership Cowboys cap.
 

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http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...oys-owner-has-no-interest-in-slowing-down.ece

People should bookmark this link..

Doesn't the NFL require 1 majority owner and not want teams owned by family? I though for the Steelers, it forced the others to sell their shares to the current owner. I wish the Jones fight like hell and sell all their shares to outsiders and the ownership changes to someone one who loves the cowboys but just minds the money part and stays out of football operations
 

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:cool:Yeah, 8-8 the past three years. And basically a .500 record for the long run. That is some serious destruction ... if your definition of destruction is not winning the super bowl.

The past three years this team has had enough talent to win the NFC East. The players and the coaches did not seal the deal. Sorry, but your scapegoat is not the GM.

The GM build the team, shopped for the groceries, and did the cooking.

The cooking is poor. The food sucks.

Who's fault is it? Do you really expect good apple pie with rotten apples?

You seem willing to accept mediocrity. That's sad.
 

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Hey, feel free to explain why 17 years of futility continues despite the fact they are "qualified". I already gave you the internet win.

Finish me off.

Please tell me you have something more Lieutenant
 

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Hey, feel free to chime in with your list of GM 'qualifications.' The traits you would look for in a GM. This should be interesting. You might want to google current GMs and their bios. I hear Clev has/had some really qualified GMs.


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