Current NFL coaches you'd pick over Wade

[ThreeSportStar80]

I used to like Fisher a lot and thought he would have made a great choice before we hired Parcells but he hasn't impressed me much in recent years.

Payton is a good choice but has to prove he can do it for more than one season.

Well he's had the least amount of talent on offense until Vince Young and Travis Henry broke out... He also had to deal with one of the youngest defenses in the NFL. I expect Tennessee to make that jump real soon.

 

[superpunk]

Worst thread ever. What was the point of this? Why not just say "I DONT LIKE WADE PHILLIPS" and be done with it?

Don't poop on the idea.

This is our opportunity to show each other how much of an un-homer we are, then we pat each other on the back and scorn those with tiny lists.

Then comes the bra and panties pillow fight.

There are 4 or 5 at the top that are definites, and after that for the most part, you can take it or leave it. I like the youth - although Wade seems to have plenty of vigor.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

So right now, you believe Wade Phillips is the sixth best coach in football?

Those are the head coaches I'd definitely take over him... I don't feel like going through the entire list, I'm working on a project.

 

[Alexander]

Joe Gibbs? Tell me you are joking! Gibbs sucks. Unless you are only counting his time before his current stint with the Commanders I don't see how he could even be a consideration.

I won't begrudge a Hall of Fame coach of an honest evaluation. And despite the fact I despise him, yes, he is better than Wade Phillips. He's won playoff games and yes, has a few Rings.

Whisenhunt has never even head coached a game and you think he is a better HC than Phillips?

I think he will be, yes.

 

[Alexander]

This is our opportunity to show each other how much of an un-homer we are, then we pat each other on the back and scorn those with tiny lists.

It has nothing to do with being "un-homer".

It should be an honest appraisal.

Like you, I prefer youth and will take those with better track records over Phillips.

If some of these lists are true, then we truly got fortunate to get him. I do not think that is the case. We simply got the best of what was a very flat group to begin with.

Fast forward another season, you could see names like Cowher, Gruden, Fox or Fisher possibly available.

Are these coaches better than what we had to choose from this year? For the most part, they are. They have playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances on their resumes.

 

[03EBZ06]

Brian Billick - Baltimore Ravens
Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos
Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts
Jack Del Rio - Jacksonville Jaguars
Herman Edwards - Kansas City Chiefs
Bill Belichick - New England Patriots
Eric Mangini - New York Jets
Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titans
John Fox - Carolina Panthers
Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears
Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints
Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles
Mike Nolan - San Francisco 49ers
Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks

 

[ZeroClub]

It has nothing to do with being "un-homer".

It should be an honest appraisal.

Like you, I prefer youth and will take those with better track records over Phillips.

If some of these lists are true, then we truly got fortunate to get him. I do not think that is the case. We simply got the best of what was a very flat group to begin with.

Fast forward another season, you could see names like Cowher, Gruden, Fox or Fisher possibly available.

Are these coaches better than what we had to choose from this year? For the most part, they are. They have playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances on their resumes.

Yeah, and another thing about the list of current NFL coaches -- about a third of them are new or nearly new - with little or no previous head coaching experience.

For me, given where the Cowboys are right now as a team, I'd hate to see them have a rookie head coach (even though a few of last year's rookie head coaches did, in fact, turn in good seasons).

 

[Doomsday101]

I think there are a lot of fine coaches through out the league but honestly I was happy with the Phillips selection by Jones and look forward to seeing him running the show this season

 

[CoCo]

Fact is, coaching effectiveness vs other factors is real difficult to evaluate.

That's why coaches who have built SB teams with multiple organizations typically head the list. Even then, you have the "game has passed him by" factor when talking about legends like Landry, Shula, Gibbs, Parcells etc.

So I'm not surprised the list of preferences over Wade is realtively short for most because the clear cut superior coaches are few. I can also guarantee that this list could change dramatically during the middle of most any NFL season.

 

[Vintage]

Brian Billick - Baltimore Ravens
Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos
Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts
Jack Del Rio - Jacksonville Jaguars
Bill Belichick - New England Patriots
Eric Mangini - New York Jets
Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titans
Ken Whisenhunt - Arizona Cardinals
John Fox - Carolina Panthers
Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears
Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints
Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles
Mike Nolan - San Francisco 49ers
Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks
Jon Gruden - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Joe Gibbs - Washington Commanders

That is seventeen, which puts him right in the middle which is pretty much were he belongs for now.

Our lists are nearly identical. Therfore, we must be right.

You are so dreamy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Below is a list of current NFL coaches.

Hypothetically speaking, which ones would you see as a better fit for the current Cowboys than Wade Phillips?

Which ones would you would rather have coaching the Cowboys (over Wade Phillips)?


AFC

Brian Billick - Baltimore Ravens
Dick Jauron - Buffalo Bills
Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals
Romeo Crennel - Cleveland Browns
Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos
Gary Kubiak - Houston Texans
Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts
Jack Del Rio - Jacksonville Jaguars
Herman Edwards - Kansas City Chiefs
Cam Cameron - Miami Dolphins
Bill Belichick - New England Patriots
Eric Mangini - New York Jets
Lane Kiffin - Oakland Raiders
Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Steelers
Norv Turner - San Diego Chargers
Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titans

NFC

Ken Whisenhunt - Arizona Cardinals
Bobby Petrino - Atlanta Falcons
John Fox - Carolina Panthers
Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears
Wade Phillips - Dallas Cowboys
Rod Marinelli - Detroit Lions
Mike McCarthy - Green Bay Packers
Brad Childress - Minnesota Vikings
Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints
Tom Coughlin - New York Giants
Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles
Scott Linehan - St. Louis Rams
Mike Nolan - San Francisco 49ers
Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks
Jon Gruden - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Joe Gibbs - Washington Commanders

I think Belichick is probably the best going right now but I wouldn't have him here simply because I'd rather go with youth as opposed to a guy who has spent, IMO, his best years with another club. I appriciate all that BP did for our organization but I think if you really watched Parcells over the years, it was easy to see that he just didn't have the same passion he once did for winning. Nothing against him. When I'm that age, I'd like to think that I'll be thinking more about fishing then working 16 hour days 24x7 my self. Having said that, many on this list won't be guys I would pick. Not saying I believe Phillips is better then many, just saying I'd rather go with a young coach who I fell has promise. Based on the above list, I would probably like the following.


Eric Mangini
Lovie Smith
John Fox
Sean Payton
Lane Kiffin
Mike Nolan.

Now, there are a couple of assistants that I would have liked to have had a shot with as well. I would have liked to have hired Rivera or Rex Ryan. Both of those guys, I feel like, would have made good HCs.

 

[Alexander]

I think Belichick is probably the best going right now but I wouldn't have him here simply because I'd rather go with youth as opposed to a guy who has spent, IMO, his best years with another club. I appriciate all that BP did for our organization but I think if you really watched Parcells over the years, it was easy to see that he just didn't have the same passion he once did for winning. Nothing against him. When I'm that age, I'd like to think that I'll be thinking more about fishing then working 16 hour days 24x7 my self. Having said that, many on this list won't be guys I would pick. Not saying I believe Phillips is better then many, just saying I'd rather go with a young coach who I fell has promise. Based on the above list, I would probably like the following.


Eric Mangini
Lovie Smith
John Fox
Sean Payton
Lane Kiffin
Mike Nolan.

You would take Lane Kiffin over Bill Belichick because he is younger and has "promise"?

I think I have heard it all now.

Now, there are a couple of assistants that I would have liked to have had a shot with as well. I would have liked to have hired Rivera or Rex Ryan. Both of those guys, I feel like, would have made good HCs.

I would have probably been fine with rolling the dice with Ryan or Rivera as well. I do prefer youth, but I take the resume first.

 

[Hostile]

AFC

Brian Billick - Baltimore Ravens...At one point I may have. Not so sure now.

Dick Jauron - Buffalo Bills...No.

Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals...One of my favorites but the player troubles in Cincy concern me. I really like the guy and always have. I am torn on this one.

Romeo Crennel - Cleveland Browns...No.

Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos...Yes.

Gary Kubiak - Houston Texans...No.

Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts...Absolutely. I wanted him over Switzer. Still wish we had hired him.

Jack Del Rio - Jacksonville Jaguars...No, even though I like him.

Herman Edwards - Kansas City Chiefs...No, even though I like him.

Cam Cameron - Miami Dolphins...No. This could change if he succeeds.

Bill Belichick - New England Patriots...Oh hell yeah.

Eric Mangini - New York Jets...Yes. IMO one of the exciting young coaches in the NFL.

Lane Kiffin - Oakland Raiders...No.

Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Steelers...No. This could change if he succeeds.

Norv Turner - San Diego Chargers...No.

Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titan...Yes.

NFC

Ken Whisenhunt - Arizona Cardinals...No. This could change if he succeeds.

Bobby Petrino - Atlanta Falcons...No.

John Fox - Carolina Panthers...Yes.

Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears...Yes.

Wade Phillips - Dallas Cowboys...N/A.

Rod Marinelli - Detroit Lions...No.

Mike McCarthy - Green Bay Packers...No.

Brad Childress - Minnesota Vikings...No.

Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints...Yes.

Tom Coughlin - New York Giants...At one time yes, No.

Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles...Oh hell yeah.

Scott Linehan - St. Louis Rams...No, but I like him.

Mike Nolan - San Francisco 49ers...Yes.

Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks...Yes.

Jon Gruden - Tampa Bay Buccaneers...Yes.

Joe Gibbs - Washington Commanders...At one time yes, No.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You would take Lane Kiffin over Bill Belichick because he is younger and has "promise"?

I think I have heard it all now.



I would have probably been fine with rolling the dice with Ryan or Rivera as well. I do prefer youth, but I take the resume first.

Oh, I don't think you've heard it all. I've just started.

I think Kiffin is going to surprise. I grant that Kiffin has no track record but he is an extremly intelligent guy. He learned a lot of football from Norm Chow, who IMO, is probably the best Offensive Mind going right now. In fact, shame on me for not mentioning Chow. In any event, everybody you talk to speaks very highly of Kiffin. His father is one of the very best DCs there is. He's learned from some very intelligent people who all say the same thing about him. Going to be a great football coach some day. He's a reach but I do believe he's going to be a good one.

 

[03EBZ06]

I think Kiffin is going to surprise. I grant that Kiffin has no track record but he is an extremly intelligent guy. He learned a lot of football from Norm Chow, who IMO, is probably the best Offensive Mind going right now. In fact, shame on me for not mentioning Chow. In any event, everybody you talk to speaks very highly of Kiffin. His father is one of the very best DCs there is. He's learned from some very intelligent people who all say the same thing about him. Going to be a great football coach some day. He's a reach but I do believe he's going to be a good one.

As a USC fan, I've always liked Kiffin and I hope he does well at NFL level.

However, you know as well as anybody that it takes more than just intelligence to suceed in NFL. There are few question marks he has not been able to answer yet, which is, how is he going to deal with rich and egostical NFL players? How is he going to deal with eccentric owner/gm like Al Davis?

I don't doubt he has had some great learning from Chow and his father, but until he deals issues in a real life situation, we simply don't know what type of coach/person he will be.

 

[Alexander]

Oh, I don't think you've heard it all. I've just started.

I think Kiffin is going to surprise. I grant that Kiffin has no track record but he is an extremly intelligent guy. He learned a lot of football from Norm Chow, who IMO, is probably the best Offensive Mind going right now. In fact, shame on me for not mentioning Chow. In any event, everybody you talk to speaks very highly of Kiffin. His father is one of the very best DCs there is. He's learned from some very intelligent people who all say the same thing about him. Going to be a great football coach some day. He's a reach but I do believe he's going to be a good one.

I don't doubt he is a bright young man.

I am just amazed you would take a coach who has never been a head coach on any level of a future Hall of Famer like Belichick.

 

[AbeBeta]

Oh, I don't think you've heard it all. I've just started.

I think Kiffin is going to surprise. I grant that Kiffin has no track record but he is an extremly intelligent guy. He learned a lot of football from Norm Chow, who IMO, is probably the best Offensive Mind going right now. In fact, shame on me for not mentioning Chow. In any event, everybody you talk to speaks very highly of Kiffin. His father is one of the very best DCs there is. He's learned from some very intelligent people who all say the same thing about him. Going to be a great football coach some day. He's a reach but I do believe he's going to be a good one.

I like Kiffin a ton -- it is a weird path he's taken -- but he has been on a pro-style staff - he's also been in charge of recruiting for USC. He can motivate and sell. Al Davis likely sees a ton of Gruden in him.

He's a good risk for Oakland -- but in Dallas? No way. If we were going that route, we would have made Garrett the HC.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As a USC fan, I've always liked Kiffin and I hope he does well at NFL level.

However, you know as well as anybody that it takes more than just intelligence to suceed in NFL. There are few question marks he has not been able to answer yet, which is, how is he going to deal with rich and egostical NFL players? How is he going to deal with eccentric owner/gm like Al Davis?

I don't doubt he has had some great learning from Chow and his father, but until he deals issues in a real life situation, we simply don't know what type of coach/person he will be.

That's fair, but you can say this about any young HC. These same issues would be associated with anybody who comes into the league as a new HC. I guess I just see the upside much more then I do the down side. Besides, I'm much more comfortable with guys who have at least seen the NFL as opposed to somebody who has zero insight. Lane Kiffin is a guy who's father has been in the NFL for a long, long time. I don't think he's completely new to those kinds of issues but I do agree, he has to face them and prove he can do it before you can call him succesful. I just put enough stock into opinions of people that have worked with him and hold high opinion of him. In my mind, those guys are much more qualified to judge him, in this respect, then I. I just think he's going to be a good one. Lord knows, he will be tested by fire from the get go. If he is succesful in Oakland, that guy will be succesful anywhere IMO. He's in for a tough couple years, to be sure. :laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts...Absolutely. I wanted him over Switzer. Still wish we had hired him.

Do you recall if Dungy got a sniff from Dallas at the time? It was a bit pre-internet explosion so I didn't get as much info back that as I would have liked. It is amazing just how long Dungy didn't have a HC job -- I recall him being interviewed at halftime on MNF one week about the situation -- and it was about 3 years later that he finally was hired in TB.

 

[Alexander]

As a USC fan, I've always liked Kiffin and I hope he does well at NFL level.

However, you know as well as anybody that it takes more than just intelligence to suceed in NFL. There are few question marks he has not been able to answer yet, which is, how is he going to deal with rich and egostical NFL players? How is he going to deal with eccentric owner/gm like Al Davis?

I don't doubt he has had some great learning from Chow and his father, but until he deals issues in a real life situation, we simply don't know what type of coach/person he will be.

I agree. Every NFL head coach is "intelligent" (Mike Tice is not a head coach anymore), but that does not always mean they have the right makeup to be a good head coach.

Take Chow, who you mentioned. Brilliant offensive mind. Probably would lack the psychological framework to be a head coach. I think Norv Turner is an offensive genius, but a terrible head coaching candidate.