Current NFL coaches you'd pick over Wade

[theogt]

This is our opportunity to show each other how much of an un-homer we are, then we pat each other on the back and scorn those with tiny lists.

Is it being a homer if Phillips was my #1 choice to replace Parcells before he even got here?

 

[Alexander]

Do you recall if Dungy got a sniff from Dallas at the time? It was a bit pre-internet explosion so I didn't get as much info back that as I would have liked. It is amazing just how long Dungy didn't have a HC job -- I recall him being interviewed at halftime on MNF one week about the situation -- and it was about 3 years later that he finally was hired in TB.

Good question. But I am fairly certain that Jerry Jones did not even bother interviewing anyone else if IIRC. I think I read that he had Switzer in mind almost immediately. I really do not recall much of a search, if any.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't doubt he is a bright young man.

I am just amazed you would take a coach who has never been a head coach on any level of a future Hall of Famer like Belichick.

Well, couple of things, for me. Coach Landry had never been an NFL HCm prior to being the HC here in Dallas. Same for Jimmy Johnson. I guess I just don't have the same fear as many might in regards to guys who don't have the experience. I would have loved to have kept Payton and if I have one real gripe about Parcells, it's that he didnt' find a way to keep Payton. I think he could have if he'd just made it clear that he was short for the road and the job would go to Payton. I'm certain that Jerry probably could have done more as well but IMO, Parcells was the guy who was in a position to probably influence that decision the most. I think he could have done more had he wanted to. I just don't believe that, for whatever reason, he was inclined to do so.


As for Belichick, well, I guess I just have a real difficult time believing that he would ever really leave New England. I do think he's the best right now and I said as much. I just don't see him ever really being a guy who would come here so for me, he's never really going to be a candidate I would give much consideration to at all.

 

[joseephuss]

I don't doubt he is a bright young man.

I am just amazed you would take a coach who has never been a head coach on any level of a future Hall of Famer like Belichick.

Little Bill is still having success. His team was in the AFC championship last year. They will be in contention this season barring major injuries(Tom Brady). I would take him.

Wade is a decent coach. I know Dallas did not have lots of opportunities this off season unless they went with a rookie head coach. I did not want Norv Turner or Wade Phillips because while both are good coordinators, I did not see either as a very good head coach. Maybe average or slightly better based on their resumes. Dallas needs better. Maybe a young, rookie coach won't be better. That is a chance you take.

Phillips will do for now, I guess.

 

[joseephuss]

Well, couple of things, for me. Coach Landry had never coached an NFL team prior to being the HC here in Dallas. Same for Jimmy Johnson. I guess I just don't have the same fear as many might in regards to guys who don't have the experience. I would have loved to have kept Payton and if I have one real gripe about Parcells, it's that he didnt' find a way to keep Payton. I think he could have if he'd just made it clear that he was short for the road and the job would go to Payton. I'm certain that Jerry probably could have done more as well but IMO, Parcells was the guy who was in a position to probably influence that decision the most. I think he could have done more had he wanted to. I just don't believe that, for whatever reason, he was inclined to do so.


As for Belichick, well, I guess I just have a real difficult time believing that he would ever really leave New England. I do think he's the best right now and I said as much. I just don't see him ever really being a guy who would come here so for me, he's never really going to be a candidate I would give much consideration to at all.

At least Landry was a well regarded assistant coach in the NFL and Jimmy was a well regarded head coach in college. Lane is a step down as only an assistant coach in college. That is quite a jump. I think he may do well, but he is in a tough spot in Oakland. He may not get a good chance to show what he can do in that black hole. He does seem bright.

I would have liked to see Payton stick around a little longer, but he may not have wanted to do that. He had the chance to be a head coach and may not have wanted to wait until Parcells retired even if it was just one season. A lot can change in one season and sometimes you just have to make that jump when you can.

 

[Hostile]

Do you recall if Dungy got a sniff from Dallas at the time? It was a bit pre-internet explosion so I didn't get as much info back that as I would have liked. It is amazing just how long Dungy didn't have a HC job -- I recall him being interviewed at halftime on MNF one week about the situation -- and it was about 3 years later that he finally was hired in TB.

Good question. But I am fairly certain that Jerry Jones did not even bother interviewing anyone else if IIRC. I think I read that he had Switzer in mind almost immediately. I really do not recall much of a search, if any.

I'm going to agree with Alexander on this. Jerry had his mind made up as soon as he told the reporters "I can get Barry Switzer."

Meanwhile I was saying, "anyone but Barry Switzer." I really wanted Dungy though. When we went to Chan Gailey I was hoping for George Seiffert. I wonder what ever happened to him. He just sort of fell completely off the NFL radar.

I have always liked Dungy.

 

[Alexander]

Phillips will do for now, I guess.

The circumstances were just not good. I don't think the alternatives were any better, at least if you were cautious and were not ready for a young first-time head coach.

If Jones wanted that, he probably would have gone for Garrett.

 

[Alexander]

I was hoping for George Seiffert. I wonder what ever happened to him. He just sort of fell completely off the NFL radar.

Seifert had the personality of a cold fish and alienated nearly everyone when he was with Carolina. He won with talent in spite of himself in San Francisco. His tenure with the Panthers was terrible.

 

[Doomsday101]

Little Bill is still having success. His team was in the AFC championship last year. They will be in contention this season barring major injuries(Tom Brady). I would take him.

Wade is a decent coach. I know Dallas did not have lots of opportunities this off season unless they went with a rookie head coach. I did not want Norv Turner or Wade Phillips because while both are good coordinators, I did not see either as a very good head coach. Maybe average or slightly better based on their resumes. Dallas needs better. Maybe a young, rookie coach won't be better. That is a chance you take.

Phillips will do for now, I guess.

Phillips has had some success as well though, he took over a 6-10 Buffalo team and turned them around the following season to 10-6. Granted he has not won in the playoffs but honestly he has not had much of a chance to coach a team with a lot of talent. Even Belichick did not look like a top coach in Cleveland as he does with NE. I think if Jones lets Phillps run things his way I think he can do the job

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The circumstances were just not good. I don't think the alternatives were any better, at least if you were cautious and were not ready for a young first-time head coach.

If Jones wanted that, he probably would have gone for Garrett.

I agree with you on Garrett. He's the guy Jerry ultimatly wants IMO. To me, the best scenario would have been to have Rivera come in as HC and keep Garrett on as OC. From there, the best man wins. The fact that we never really even gave Rivera much consideration kinda tells me that Garrett is the guy. Phillips is, IMO, a place holder until Garrett can learn all the names of the coaching staff and players. After that, it's probably Garrett.

 

[AbeBeta]

Good question. But I am fairly certain that Jerry Jones did not even bother interviewing anyone else if IIRC. I think I read that he had Switzer in mind almost immediately. I really do not recall much of a search, if any.

That's how I recalled it.

Interestingly, I think the Dungy hiring and his success was one of the factors leading Jerry to eventually go the coordinator route in the next search. Of course, at that point, many good ones were off the board.

Wow, that really speaks to how Jerry moved from "trendsetter" to "copycat"

 

[DallasEast]

Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos
Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts
Bill Belichick - New England Patriots
Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titans
John Fox - Carolina Panthers
Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears
Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles
Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks
Jon Gruden - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

 

[BigDFan5]

AFC


Mike Shanahan - Denver Broncos
Tony Dungy - Indianapolis Colts
Herman Edwards - Kansas City Chiefs
Bill Belichick - New England Patriots
Eric Mangini - New York Jets
Jeff Fisher - Tennessee Titans

NFC


John Fox - Carolina Panthers
Lovie Smith - Chicago Bears
Sean Payton - New Orleans
Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles
Mike Nolan - San Francisco 49ers
Mike Holmgren - Seattle Seahawks

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At least Landry was a well regarded assistant coach in the NFL and Jimmy was a well regarded head coach in college. Lane is a step down as only an assistant coach in college. That is quite a jump. I think he may do well, but he is in a tough spot in Oakland. He may not get a good chance to show what he can do in that black hole. He does seem bright.

I would have liked to see Payton stick around a little longer, but he may not have wanted to do that. He had the chance to be a head coach and may not have wanted to wait until Parcells retired even if it was just one season. A lot can change in one season and sometimes you just have to make that jump when you can.

I agree with everything you say here. Having said that, I just think that more could have been done to keep Payton. I just don't think it was. No proof of that. Just think that Payton, from a business point of view, would proably have been more inclinded to stay with the Cowboys rather then take a job with New Orleans, at the time he did. No QB, no Reggie Bush, no WRs and issues on defense. I could easily be wrong but that's my opinion of it from 20K high anyway.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm going to agree with Alexander on this. Jerry had his mind made up as soon as he told the reporters "I can get Barry Switzer."

Meanwhile I was saying, "anyone but Barry Switzer." I really wanted Dungy though. When we went to Chan Gailey I was hoping for George Seiffert. I wonder what ever happened to him. He just sort of fell completely off the NFL radar.

I have always liked Dungy.

I live in 49er territory - I can't recall anyone ever being excited by Seiffert - for the most part everyone in the area attributed his success to Bill Walsh - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the general opinion of folks around the league.

Me. I was excited by Gailey b/c the other option we kept hearing was Terry Donahue

 

[Hostile]

Seifert had the personality of a cold fish and alienated nearly everyone when he was with Carolina. He won with talent in spite of himself in San Francisco. His tenure with the Panthers was terrible.

That is true and I will openly admit, I wanted him over Gailey more for the fact it would stab San Fran in the heart if he won a SB here.

 

[Hostile]

I live in 49er territory - I can't recall anyone ever being excited by Seiffert - for the most part everyone in the area attributed his success to Bill Walsh - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the general opinion of folks around the league.

Me. I was excited by Gailey b/c the other option we kept hearing was Terry Donahue

I posted a stat in the countdown thread for 1981. Gailey was great at home, but stunk out loud on the road. In his 2 seasons he was 13-3 at Dallas, 5-11 on the road. I liked him as a person, was disappointed with him as a coach, but do think he got a raw deal and was axed too soon and Campo not nearly soon enough.

Campo never should have been hired.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I live in 49er territory - I can't recall anyone ever being excited by Seiffert - for the most part everyone in the area attributed his success to Bill Walsh - I wouldn't be surprised if that was the general opinion of folks around the league.

Me. I was excited by Gailey b/c the other option we kept hearing was Terry Donahue

Gailey, to me, was a guy who never really got a good shake. The situation was all wrong for him. His system has had success, it just was a terrible move to try his system in Dallas, when we did. It didn't fit Aikman, who was the key to anything happening for us, at the time. If Aikman wasn't on board, we were never going to win with Gailey. He never had a chance IMO. Would he have been succesful if we had had somebody else at the QB position? I don't know but his chances of succeeding would have increase 10 fold IMO.

 

[ZeroClub]

The circumstances were just not good. I don't think the alternatives were any better, at least if you were cautious and were not ready for a young first-time head coach.

If Jones wanted that, he probably would have gone for Garrett.

The circumstances were not ideal.

I think the Cowboys got a great immediate fit with Phillips.

But, due to his age, even if he's a big success, he'll be a relative short-timer - and that's not ideal.

... unless Garrett really is the wunderkind in waiting.

 

[AbeBeta]

I posted a stat in the countdown thread for 1981. Gailey was great at home, but stunk out loud on the road. In his 2 seasons he was 13-3 at Dallas, 5-11 on the road. I liked him as a person, was disappointed with him as a coach, but do think he got a raw deal and was axed too soon and Campo not nearly soon enough.

Campo never should have been hired.

I agree that Chan got the axe too soon - the problem was the team's horrid talent-level, not his coaching. Did he make some bad decisions - some that blew up in his face? Sure. But why hire a first-time guy if you aren't committed to letting him develop?