Czarnecki on McFadden & Cowboys

[Yeagermeister]

I would go along w/that.

McFadden and Barber.....that would be one heck of a running game.

Morning Pops

 

[CATCH17]

it depends on the player

would Tony Dorsett have been worth it? Emmitt Smith? Randy White? Reggie White? what would the Vikings be like right now w/o Peterson? (hint, think last place)

people are always obsessed with having more picks, and when your roster is bad (like ours was in 1988, 89 & 90) it does make sense to get as many "bullets" as possible...but when you have an outstanding roster, the focus should be on getting the best possible player at a position that makes a difference

David

I dont know because I dont know whats available to us at that pick.

But we'd be giving up one of the leagues best (marion barber) and 2 possible starters.

If I was a GM I wouldn't budge on that move and I love D Mac but I cant say hes worth all that.

If I make a move like that I need Guarantees and the only thing im guaranteed is to get one heck of a talent.

 

[Cbz40]

Morning Pops

Good Morning Yeag..

 

[dbair1967]

You just cant throw in a guy like Barber who in my opinion is a top 5 NFL Back.

And if you have D Mac you going to have to have another guy to rely on as well because he runs just as nasty as Barber.

Hes worth 2 1st rounders, but not 2 1st rounders and Marion Barber.

the fact that they have Ronnie Brown leads me to believe they wouldnt insist on MBIII being in there...and if they wanted a RB, why not just draft the best one themselves?

I think trading into the #1 spot would be a package of picks and maybe a complimentary player or two...maybe somebody like Fasano or Curtis...maybe a Carpenter, Hatcher or Spears...

David

 

[cowboyz]

Jerry should've traded up for AD at #7.

#1 is way too expensive for any rb given the length of their career and injury probability.

now if jake long turned out to be as good as joe thomas it would be worthwhile.

 

[dbair1967]

I dont know because I dont know whats available to us at that pick.

But we'd be giving up one of the leagues best (marion barber) and 2 possible starters.

If I was a GM I wouldn't budge on that move and I love D Mac but I cant say hes worth all that.

If I make a move like that I need Guarantees and the only thing im guaranteed is to get one heck of a talent.

two late 1st rd picks arnt going to be starters right now for us unless we have some injuries

nor do I think Barber would be part of a deal with Miami...they have Ronnie Brown, and if they want another good RB they can use the #1 on the best one available anyway

David

 

[Yeagermeister]

the fact that they have Ronnie Brown leads me to believe they wouldnt insist on MBIII being in there...and if they wanted a RB, why not just draft the best one themselves?

I think trading into the #1 spot would be a package of picks and maybe a complimentary player or two...maybe somebody like Fasano or Curtis...maybe a Carpenter, Hatcher or Spears...

David

Fasano and esp Curtis have no trade value now Carp is a different story but I'd hate to give up lb'r depth on a 3-4 team.

 

[dbair1967]

Fasano and esp Curtis have no trade value now Carp is a different story but I'd hate to give up lb'r depth on a 3-4 team.

Fasano and Curtis definitely have trade value...either could start for a number of teams...and Jones even said a number of teams called about Curtis in the preseason this yr

the only thing wrong with either of them is they are stuck behind the best TE in football here

David

 

[sillycon]

it depends on the player

would Tony Dorsett have been worth it? Emmitt Smith? Randy White? Reggie White? what would the Vikings be like right now w/o Peterson? (hint, think last place)

people are always obsessed with having more picks, and when your roster is bad (like ours was in 1988, 89 & 90) it does make sense to get as many "bullets" as possible...but when you have an outstanding roster, the focus should be on getting the best possible player at a position that makes a difference

David

The thing is, the offense is already very very good as it is. With the weakness at run blocking, I wonder if DMAC would make a huge difference. I definitely see weaknesses on the defensive side of the ball though and that's why I wouldn't go crazy with giving up all those picks...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Fasano and Curtis definitely have trade value...either could start for a number of teams...and Jones even said a number of teams called about Curtis in the preseason this yr

the only thing wrong with either of them is they are stuck behind the best TE in football here

David

They may have called about Curtis but I doubt it was for more than a low round pick. He is way overrated on this board.

 

[tomson75]

They may have called about Curtis but I doubt it was for more than a low round pick. He is way overrated on this board.

...and Fasano is way UNDERrated.

 

[CATCH17]

two late 1st rd picks arnt going to be starters right now for us unless we have some injuries

nor do I think Barber would be part of a deal with Miami...they have Ronnie Brown, and if they want another good RB they can use the #1 on the best one available anyway

David

I can live with giving up 2 1st's and another player just not Barber and a few other guys.

Like you said they have Ronnie Brown so they probably wouldn't have to do that move.

 

[dbair1967]

They may have called about Curtis but I doubt it was for more than a low round pick. He is way overrated on this board.

dont get me wrong, I dont think he is worth a high pick or anything

but I could definitely see him being of some value to a team that needs alot and doesnt have a quality TE...same thing with Fasano

David

 

[TEK2000]

There hasn't been a RB selected as the #1 overall pick since 1995 with Ki-Jana Carter by the Bengals.

Before that... it was 1986 with Bo Jackson.

RB is not near as prized a position as it once was. Today's NFL doesn't require a superstar RB to be a quality team.

Also, the Patriots will surely be trading out of their #2 spot (San Fran's pick).

 

[Yeagermeister]

The biggest question is:

Is Miami really that happy with Brown? IIRC wasn't there talk of benching him before he was hurt?

 

[tomson75]

Also, the Patriots will surely be trading out of their #2 spot (San Fran's pick).

IF they can find a trading partner...and it has become very difficult to do so in recent drafts.

 

[Yeagermeister]

There hasn't been a RB selected as the #1 overall pick since 1995 with Ki-Jana Carter by the Bengals.

Before that... it was 1986 with Bo Jackson.

RB is not near as prized a position as it once was. Today's NFL doesn't require a superstar RB to be a quality team.

Also, the Patriots will surely be trading out of their #2 spot (San Fran's pick).

That's the pick they should lose not their own. :bang2:

 

[TEK2000]

That's the pick they should lose not their own. :bang2:

I'm with you there. You do 2 things if the NFL would have taken away that pick.

You could give a struggling team their top pick back... and punish the cheating Patriots all at the same time.

 

[noletime95]

I don't think Dallas can pay both Mcfadden and Barber long term. If Dallas moves up and pays Mcfadden big bucks and Barber isn't dealt, he's gone after next year. He'll get his 2.5 Mil or so this year, then leave as a FA. Barber is going to command to much money for a backup. And Mcfadden can't be a backup if he's drafted in the top 5. Dallas simply shouldn't, IMO, commit that much $$$$$ to the RB position. Not with Newman, Canty and Ware needing new contracts soon as well.

It's either or. I'm not sure what the right call is here. Bird in hand (Barber looks very good, but if Mcfadden is like AD, well...... could you imagine this offense?

Given all these factors I would include Barber in any deal to move up, but would hope to retain one of the first rounders as a result. I'd also be perfectly fine NOT making any deal for Mcfadden, keeping Barber long term and finding him a backup to help out with Jones likely gone.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I don't think Dallas can pay both Mcfadden and Barber long term. If Dallas moves up and pays Mcfadden big bucks and Barber isn't dealt, he's gone after next year. He'll get his 2.5 Mil or so this year, then leave as a FA. Barber is going to command to much money for a backup. And Mcfadden can't be a backup if he's drafted in the top 5. Dallas simply shouldn't, IMO, commit that much $$$$$ to the RB position. Not with Newman, Canty and Ware needing new contracts soon as well.

It's either or. I'm not sure what the right call is here. Bird in hand (Barber looks very good, but if Mcfadden is like AD, well...... could you imagine this offense?

Given all these factors I would include Barber in any deal to move up, but would hope to retain one of the first rounders as a result. I'd also be perfectly fine NOT making any deal for Mcfadden, keeping Barber long term and finding him a backup to help out with Jones likely gone.

I agree about not being able to pay both when we still have to pay other players plus we have bigger needs than just a rb.