Czarnecki on McFadden & Cowboys

[cnhnyy]

With the way we throw the ball, how many carries can a RB get? We can get a good/great RB in the later no.1 round and he will be way cheaper. I am sorry, I would consider trading up for RB only if Travis Jackson were our QB.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't think Dallas can pay both Mcfadden and Barber long term. If Dallas moves up and pays Mcfadden big bucks and Barber isn't dealt, he's gone after next year. He'll get his 2.5 Mil or so this year, then leave as a FA. Barber is going to command to much money for a backup. And Mcfadden can't be a backup if he's drafted in the top 5. Dallas simply shouldn't, IMO, commit that much $$$$$ to the RB position. Not with Newman, Canty and Ware needing new contracts soon as well.

It's either or. I'm not sure what the right call is here. Bird in hand (Barber looks very good, but if Mcfadden is like AD, well...... could you imagine this offense?

Given all these factors I would include Barber in any deal to move up, but would hope to retain one of the first rounders as a result. I'd also be perfectly fine NOT making any deal for Mcfadden, keeping Barber long term and finding him a backup to help out with Jones likely gone.

Is money really the real issue? Jerry Jones has deep pockets and has proved that he'll pay through the nose to get who he wants regardless.

Salary cap health is the underlying issue, I think. How much money is devoted to the running back position with McFadden added could affect the cap's bottom line for years to come. One good thing is that the cap will be adjusted upwards in seasons to come.

I would die from excitement seeing McFadden in Cowboy colors and hope that the deal gets done, but hopefully not at the expense of both first-rounders.

 

[Bleu Star]

I wouldn't give up two 1sts and Barber. Love to have him, but not at that price.

I agree with the voice of reason. Adding MB3 is waay too much... IMHO

 

[Echo9]

The biggest question is:

Is Miami really that happy with Brown? IIRC wasn't there talk of benching him before he was hurt?

Brown's career started very slowly, but he REALLY turned it on just before his injury. Take a look at his numbers in the last few games before he was hurt. My Bro-in-law is fins fan, there wasn't any talk of him being benched.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ronniebrown/gamelogs?id=BRO662745

Still tough for them to pass on McFadden though.

 

[TheHerd]

I agree with the voice of reason. Adding MB3 is waay too much... IMHO

Agreed with no barber. But the first round picks are fine. Would you trade Spencer and Carp for McFadden? Those are first rounders picked with better picks than we're gonna have this year.

 

[Alexander]

Agreed with no barber. But the first round picks are fine. Would you trade Spencer and Carp for McFadden? Those are first rounders picked with better picks than we're gonna have this year.

I am not sure Carpenter has much trade value.

 

[tomson75]

Agreed with no barber. But the first round picks are fine. Would you trade Spencer and Carp for McFadden? Those are first rounders picked with better picks than we're gonna have this year.

Spencer and Carpenter for McFadden? Sure, then we can trade Ellis for a red carpet that goes from the opponents' backfield to the endzone.

Why does everyone think we can just get rid of these linebackers?

I agree with not getting rid of Barber though.

 

[sonnyboy]

The idea of trading up for McFaddden is compelling because of how this draft may shake out.

In recent years teams have been less willing to pick top 5 players with the contracts they comand.
They have been more willing to trade down comanding less of a premium from their trading partners.
The obvious exception is where you have a franchise QB and a team in need of one drafting #1.

At this point McFadden seems to be the clear cut #1 pick with no franchise QB to muddle things.

Now you have 2 teams that may very well be looking to trade down. Supply and demand, the price should be kept reasonable.

Now what you have to do is identify the players. Who wants and could use McFadden? This is really an excercise best attempted in March.

When its all said and done I'd bet there's only going to be a handful of serious players biding for Miami's pick. 2-3 teams at best.

As far as what we could or should offer. Barber has little value to Miami. If we felt compelled to include him in the deal, we'd get better value dealing him to a team who wants him. We could then turn around and include that pick in the McFadden deal.

If we want him, I believe we can get him at a reasonable price.
I'd go both 1st RD PKs and a player like Fasano or Carpenter.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We are not one player away from winning the super bowl.

I still believe we can win a super bowl with Jones and MBIII in the backfield.

 

[CATCH17]

We are not one player away from winning the super bowl.
I still believe we can win a super bowl with Jones and MBIII in the backfield.

Like you said we can probably do it without D Mac. Even more of a reason to try to move up for him.

 

[sbark]

The orginal "triplets" were in time sync.......ie all about the same age

this version is more a Tri-fector: TO at age 33, Romo in mid 20''s and a potential rb very young

Jerry will have to be diligent to keep a tri-fector avail for Romo thru his career............

Nix on D-mac cost.......rb is a high injury risk position: Emmitt was an aberation, as was W.Payton----there are alot more T.Davis's with short careers........

Keep the OLine very strong is money better spent.........with FAgents of proven value

Seems like "woow" WR's of proven abilty come onto the FA market yearly (ala Pat's )...........

Save the draft pics for Rice, Slayton, a young CB............

FA is a tool to use......destroyed' our 90's dynasty team..........
now use it too establish a new one.......

 

[marchetta]

none of those playrs is even remotely as good or talented as McFadden is

I'd rather draft one sure thing, franchise player than draft two suspect guys that you hope develop, especially right now with our roster being as deep and talented as it is...settling for lesser guys and trading down, getting more picks (and even lesser guys) is what got us in trouble in the mid 90's anyway

David

True. When you have a team loaded with talent, it always makes more sense to go for quality rather than quantity. Look at NE's draft last year. They only have 1 player still on their roster from last years draft. JJ has said that he has learned from his mistake in the past of moving down to stockpile picks when he had a loaded roster. He said that many/most of the players he acquired by moving down couldn't crack the roster. When you have a talented team, then you should move up and grab that one franchise player, that can make you an elite team, if at all possible, and fill the 1 or 2 holes/gaps that you may have in FA. JMHO.

 

[Doomsday]

If it could be done with just the two 1st absolutely but no future picks.

I dont think there is anyway you get to number 1 with two 20 something picks. Dallas would have to kick in a 1st or 2nd in 09 as well in my opinion. Im just not sure it would be worth it. The thing that makes it tempting is this team is pretty talented and a guy like could still have a pretty big impact, probably more then 2 first rounders could.

 

[CATCH17]

The orginal "triplets" were in time sync.......ie all about the same age

this version is more a Tri-fector: TO at age 33, Romo in mid 20''s and a potential rb very young

Jerry will have to be diligent to keep a tri-fector avail for Romo thru his career............

Nix on D-mac cost.......rb is a high injury risk position: Emmitt was an aberation, as was W.Payton----there are alot more T.Davis's with short careers........

Keep the OLine very strong is money better spent.........with FAgents of proven value

Seems like "woow" WR's of proven abilty come onto the FA market yearly (ala Pat's )...........

Save the draft pics for Rice, Slayton, a young CB............

FA is a tool to use......destroyed' our 90's dynasty team..........
now use it too establish a new one.......

Yeah we may be able to give up one of the 1's for Fitzgerald, or Chad Johnson.

Also Roy Williams from the Lions may demand a trade to Dallas.

I'd even take Bernard Berrian opposite TO.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I dont think there is anyway you get to number 1 with two 20 something picks. Dallas would have to kick in a 1st or 2nd in 09 as well in my opinion. Im just not sure it would be worth it or not. The thing that makes it tempting is this team is pretty talented and a guy like could still have a pretty big impact, probably more then 2 first rounders could.

I agree the cost is too high and if you do trade that future pick and the player is a bust the team is screwed. Then you end up overpaying a FA.

 

[BlueStar II]

I wouldn't give up two 1sts and Barber. Love to have him, but not at that price.

:starspin I agree, Hos, I wouldn't give up our two first rounders "and" Barber. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, I would hang onto Barber so he can continue to pick up the tough yards for us. While I would love to see us get McFadden, but not at the price of losing Barber though. If...Carpenter had ever shown us (or anybody else for that matter...) anything, he would be the first I'd throw into the kitty for moving up to get McFadden. However, I just can't imagine any team even wanting to have Carpenter, he's never done anything to warrant another team having any interest in him. Sorry, my bad for the Carpenter venting, but at the salary he's getting vs. his contributions... he should be arrested for "stealing."

 

[Murph80]

Mark me down for 2 1st rd picks this year and next years #1. They are all going to be very low 1st round picks. Run DMC and MBIII. Unstoppable.

 

[noletime95]

Is money really the real issue? Jerry Jones has deep pockets and has proved that he'll pay through the nose to get who he wants regardless.

Salary cap health is the underlying issue, I think. How much money is devoted to the running back position with McFadden added could affect the cap's bottom line for years to come. One good thing is that the cap will be adjusted upwards in seasons to come.

I would die from excitement seeing McFadden in Cowboy colors and hope that the deal gets done, but hopefully not at the expense of both first-rounders.

Agreed....meant salary cap space....

 

[lonestar6]

I haven't seen McFadden play, but the article's comparison of McFadden to Faulk as a receiver intrigues me. Can people that have seen McFadden play comment on his skills as a receiver? I think Faulk was one of the best receiving running backs to ever play the game so that's a very bold comparison to make.

I say this because as good as this Cowboys passing game is and will be, I believe that the offense should revolve around Romo and they shouldn't be running the ball that much anyway (even become Patriot-like). In that situation, I think that only a RB with Faulk-like receiver skills that can even split out wide would be worth what McFadden is going to cost.

 

[kmp77]

That would be crazy him and MB3?

Would they just hand us the superbowl trophy? Be kinda pointless to actually play the season