D. Moore: Cowboys Closer to Bottom Than Top of NFC

[LatinMind]

And that is what I was saying in the OP. This league has shown that new blood and philosophy can turn things around quick. The disappointing part is we get Jerry and Jason and are stuck hoping they get it right vs. trying to take advantage of the players we have now.



We need to get over his "almost" mentality. A loss is a loss. You could do this all day over he last decade but we find ways to lose the above games every year. If you look at who played yesterday you can see the difference. If you look at our history the last 4 years against winning teams, we find ways to lose.

But I agree with you. Coaching is the key. I think a good draft and a new coach and philosophy could swing it up. But that won't happen so we are closer to the bottom. As I said in another post, the 49ers had pieces but no one running the ship. Harbaugh has since ripped off 3 straight years of 13 wins (including playoffs) and is the only guy to go to 3 straight NFC/AFC title games his firs 3 years. Yet people say it takes a process. Jerry mixed up his philosophies. Patience was needed long ago. Now, with parity, urgency is needed.

Dallas has had good drafts recently. I dont see how you can dismiss this "almost" business when thats the reality. I hope you know Dallas lost 4 of those games in the last minute too. And 2 of them within the last 15 seconds of the game. You brought up the word parity. But are defending a article that suggesting the Cowboys are less than that.

 

[Future]

Agreed. It's much easier to come up with a scenario where the Cowboys end up 5-11 than 11-5 in 2014.

But the GM thinks we're close. I think he'll be in for a rude awakening next year.

I think we were way closer to 11-5...and it was discussed in another thread.

Having said that, its not unrealistic to think that we do go 5-11 next year.

 

[Risen Star]

Dallas has had good drafts recently. I dont see how you can dismiss this "almost" business when thats the reality. I hope you know Dallas lost 4 of those games in the last minute too. And 2 of them within the last 15 seconds of the game. You brought up the word parity. But are defending a article that suggesting the Cowboys are less than that.

The 2012 draft class is an F grade. One of the worst of the Jerry era. That entire offseason was a disaster.

So I'm going to, like, disagree with you there.

 

[Miller]

Dallas has had good drafts recently. I dont see how you can dismiss this "almost" business when thats the reality. I hope you know Dallas lost 4 of those games in the last minute too. And 2 of them within the last 15 seconds of the game. You brought up the word parity. But are defending a article that suggesting the Cowboys are less than that.

If you consistently lose the tight games like that, year after year and in heart breaking fashion then its probably not bad luck or you being oh so close. It's more your team makeup and mentality. As I said, could they change things...sure. In fact the league makes it easier. But Jerry likes the status quo. But add in age, our cap issues, etc and that is where I have us closer to the bottom. I don't care if we lose by 1 or 30...if we keep ending up .500 then that is where we belong. You also have to take into effect how many games we barely won if you look at it the way you want. In 16 games there are going to be tight battles. If you consistently let them slip that is a team issue.

 

[egn22]

This is the first season in a VERY long time that I honestly don't feel positive at all about. I normally think that a good draft and another year of experience for some of the players on our roster will help put us in contention. Maybe a free agent signing here or there that turns out to be a great find.
I ALWAYS believe and think we're in it even when the national media doesn't believe in us. I gave Romo the benefit of the doubt. I believed that Dez would turn into a truly dominant force, as would Demarco Murray. Over the past 4 years, Ive believed we'd not only make the playoffs but completely surprise everyone by winning some very tough games. I was that guy.

But ALL of that has changed after this most recent disappointment. I believe the window has closed and although playoffs are always a possibility because you never know what can happen in this league, the way this organization is being ran is really too much for the players to overcome. I honestly don't see us making the playoffs next season nor do I see Romo ever winning another playoff game.

 

[LatinMind]

The 2012 draft class is an F grade. One of the worst of the Jerry era. That entire offseason was a disaster.

So I'm going to, like, disagree with you there.

1 yr after they drafted them huh? there should be 3 starters in there in 2014. Mo, Crawford, Wilber. Ill take it. People want to dismiss players because of injuries. Im glad they didnt dismiss Michael irving after his first 3 yrs of his career where he missed 12 games. Oh then in 2012 the got Leary, Beasley and Dunbar too. But its one of the worst? I dont agree

 

[Risen Star]

1 yr after they drafted them huh? there should be 3 starters in there in 2014. Mo, Crawford, Wilber. Ill take it. People want to dismiss players because of injuries. Im glad they didnt dismiss Michael irving after his first 3 yrs of his career where he missed 12 games. Oh then in 2012 the got Leary, Beasley and Dunbar too. But its one of the worst? I dont agree

Right. 1 year after drafting them.

Actually, hold on to your Cowboys hat here, but I knew this when they were drafted. I knew it the second the trade was announced and the Cowboys wasted their first two picks on a cornerback. You couldn't have a good draft class after that.

Three starters? How many of them quality starters? Claiborne? Crawford? Wilber? Can anyone claim any of these guys are quality players? Nick Hayden was a starter this year. So was George Selvie. Who cares? It doesn't make them good players.

I'm sorry, did you mention Cole Beasley and Lance Dunbar? If you can find marginal talents to fill out the bottom of your roster in UDFA you've had yourself a good draft? Are we really having this discussion?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Most teams don't get blown out. Even the bad teams are competitive. But the bad teams don't know how to win against good teams. That's what we are. The Cowboys were pretty competitive the last 2 years and they still ended up 8-8.

 

[Miller]

1 yr after they drafted them huh? there should be 3 starters in there in 2014. Mo, Crawford, Wilber. Ill take it. People want to dismiss players because of injuries. Im glad they didnt dismiss Michael irving after his first 3 yrs of his career where he missed 12 games. Oh then in 2012 the got Leary, Beasley and Dunbar too. But its one of the worst? I dont agree

I'm not going to grade that draft yet but as it stands we gave up picks to move up to take a guy who has not only bee hurt but who has been getting it handed to him when he is on he field. That is the issue there. Picks and play. If he can regain college form in any way then the discussion turns. The rest of the guys seem like average NFL players.

 

[LatinMind]

Right. 1 year after drafting them.

Actually, hold on to your Cowboys hat here, but I knew this when they were drafted. I knew it the second the trade was announced and the Cowboys wasted their first two picks on a cornerback. You couldn't have a good draft class after that.

Three starters? How many of them quality starters? Claiborne? Crawford? Wilber? Can anyone claim any of these guys are quality players? Nick Hayden was a starter this year. So was George Selvie. Who cares? It doesn't make them good players.

I'm sorry, did you mention Cole Beasley and Lance Dunbar? If you can find marginal talents to fill out the bottom of your roster in UDFA you've had yourself a good draft? Are we really having this discussion?

Im not trying to say they are probowlers im just saying this wasnt the worst draft in history. youre trying to say there is virtually nothing from this draft. Im just saying there is people who are contributors from this team. with 4 starters. How can that be worse then 2009? Really we are having this discussion?

 

[LatinMind]

I'm not going to grade that draft yet but as it stands we gave up picks to move up to take a guy who has not only bee hurt but who has been getting it handed to him when he is on he field. That is the issue there. Picks and play. If he can regain college form in any way then the discussion turns. The rest of the guys seem like average NFL players.

thats fine, but when you have 7 guys who are core contributors thats a successful day. It might not be the amount of success you want, especially with Mo. But its not a failure as some people would want it to be. Just to be in the i told you so crowd.

 

[Wolfpack]

Are we really having this discussion?

That is called Hope. Which, by chance, is the official strategy of the front office brain trust. Hope is easy compaired to a realistic view point.

 

[Risen Star]

Im not trying to say they are probowlers im just saying this wasnt the worst draft in history. youre trying to say there is virtually nothing from this draft. Im just saying there is people who are contributors from this team. with 4 starters. How can that be worse then 2009? Really we are having this discussion?

I said it was one of the worst of the Jerry era. They took two premium picks and turned it into an irrelevant cornerback who impacts nothing. Their 3rd round pick has shown nothing on the field and is now coming off an Achilles tear. Kyle Wilber has been bounced around at several positions to find something he doesn't suck at. What else is there? This is a good draft to you? You're not being reasonable, Rowdy.

 

[LatinMind]

I said it was one of the worst of the Jerry era. They took two premium picks and turned it into an irrelevant cornerback who impacts nothing. Their 3rd round pick has shown nothing on the field and it now coming off an Achilles tear. Kyle Wilber has been bounced around at several positions to find something he doesn't suck at. What else is there? This is a good draft to you? You're not being reasonable, Rowdy.

Its a good draft IMO yes. in yr 2 yes its a good draft. take out crawford, there are still 6 rookies from this draft class that are contributing to this team. you bring up Wilber, and dismissing what he did in the 4 games of the yr. After being bounced around as you say. The guy is going to be a nice starting lber next yr. You dont think these young players are having to adjust playing their rookie yrs in 1 scheme and turning around and learning a new one their 2nd yr? Ill remind you these players are 22 and 23 yrs old.

 

[Coy]

This writer isnt quite accurate. There were 2 games all yr the Cowboys got it handed to them, Saints and Bears.

In the other games where they played against teams that made the playoffs :
KC lost by 1 point
SD lost by 9
DEN lost by 3
GB lost by 1
PHI lost by 2

And this guy wants me to believe they are closer to the bottom? If Romo plays in the last game of the yr Dallas is in the playoffs and this article probably isnt even written.

Now if they want to say the coaching is closer to the bottom in all of sports i can buy that.

I agree with this.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

But the GM thinks we're close. I think he'll be in for a rude awakening next year.

Not to be overtly cynical, but "in a rude awakening" as opposed to this year?

Does Jerra Jones know that, ever day, under his leadership, his fanbase is shrinking? If loses do not persuade him to step down, then maybe fewer sales in tickets and merchandise might do the trick.

And we wonder why other teams seem to half so many fans in the stands at Texas Stadium. MORE AND MORE LOCAL FANS ARE STAYING AWAY, JERRA!

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I agree with Moore but, as history has shown, any team can rise from the ashes under the right circumstances. A great draft would be a perfect start!

I'm sorry but as long as Jerry wants to take such an active role in football operations, this team will never win. Jerry needs to either sell the team or reach a spiritual enlightenment. The success of this team is dependent on the size of Jerry's ego.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

None of this football stuff matters. We have the biggest nicest stadium. That's what is important.

It's a landfill if the Cowboys don't win, IMO.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It's a landfill if the Cowboys don't win, IMO.

Hey hey there. We have the nicest art gallery in any NFL stadium & the best cage dancers. Jerry said it's the best show in the NFL.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Hey hey there. We have the nicest art gallery in any NFL stadium & the best cage dancers. Jerry said it's the best show in the NFL.

If it's filled with garbage, it's a dump.