D. Moore: Cowboys Closer to Bottom Than Top of NFC

[Verdict]

LM, you're better than this bro. First of all I have other issues with the draft other than the Claiborne pick (McSurdy over Burfict) but to address your point, why are you leaving out the 2nd round pick from the equation? Have you seen how lights out Bobby Wagner has been in Seattle? That guy plays with incredible passion for the game. A quick run of the numbers....

He was the defensive rookie of the year last season w/ 140 tackles.

This year he added another 130 tackles.

He has nearly double the number of career tackles as Bruce Carter yet was drafted a year after BC and has played in 6 less games.

He has 5 interceptions in 2 years. Same number as Sean Lee.

That right there is two less holes we have to worry about in a meager front 7. There were other great options in the late half of the 1st round to sure up the oline (Zeitler/Decastro).

You are really telling me you don't want that on our team w/ Brockers (who is also a formidable player) over Claiborne? I know you follow BB like I do. He's not going to hammer Claiborne, especially since he's a fellow LSU guy but he's hinted at his lack of passion for the game enough times this year on twitter and Talkin' Cowboys to have me incredibly worried that he is never going to reach our expectations.

Bobby Wagner would have been a great addition to this team. I think most of us here would agree with that position.

 

[Verdict]

More than 91,000 people packed AT&T for the Eagles game. Cowboys led the league in attendance this year. The value of the franchise has never been higher.

This is what Jerry sees. And this is what Jerry cares about. He doesn't care if the stands are half full of opponents fans. They still buy the $9 beer and the $80 pizza.

Jerry's goal is to keep the stadium full and the cash rolling in. He needs to team to be relevant enough to make this happen. He doesn't have to have the team in championship games. Being the next New England or San Francisco is of no interest to him. There is no upside in winning 12 or 13 games a year when winning 7-8 a year gets him the same profits. Why waste a couple of million bucks on a GM to get to 12 wins? He would just eat away at his bottom line.

Do you honestly think that the Cowboys would not sell more merchandise, and make more money if they consistently won more games? Jerry might be wrong often, but to believe winning isn't important to him is pretty far fetched. Maybe even delusional.

 

[Redball Express]

I agree with Moore but, as history has shown, any team can rise from the ashes under the right circumstances. A great draft would be a perfect start!

Romo being born as Tom Brady instead of who he is..

would be fine by me.

 

[LatinMind]

LM, you're better than this bro. First of all I have other issues with the draft other than the Claiborne pick (McSurdy over Burfict) but to address your point, why are you leaving out the 2nd round pick from the equation? Have you seen how lights out Bobby Wagner has been in Seattle? That guy plays with incredible passion for the game. A quick run of the numbers....

He was the defensive rookie of the year last season w/ 140 tackles.

This year he added another 130 tackles.

He has nearly double the number of career tackles as Bruce Carter yet was drafted a year after BC and has played in 6 less games.

He has 5 interceptions in 2 years. Same number as Sean Lee.

That right there is two less holes we have to worry about in a meager front 7. There were other great options in the late half of the 1st round to sure up the oline (Zeitler/Decastro).

You are really telling me you don't want that on our team w/ Brockers (who is also a formidable player) over Claiborne? I know you follow BB like I do. He's not going to hammer Claiborne, especially since he's a fellow LSU guy but he's hinted at his lack of passion for the game enough times this year on twitter and Talkin' Cowboys to have me incredibly worried that he is never going to reach our expectations.

Thats all fine but its already known that dallas wouldve picked brockers if they couldnt trade up for claiborne. So all that other stuff means nothing.

And Burict was passed by alot of teams because of off the field issues. Bengals pick those guys no matter what problems. It just so happens this time its been a winner for them.

Decastro was bad in his rookie yr. And wasnt much better this yr, and took out his own player(POUNCEY) on a chop block on a defensive player

 

[LatinMind]

I wasn't sold on Brockers then, or now really. The trade up may turn out to be a bad idea, but I don't think Brockers would have made going the other direction a better idea.

thats what im saying.

 

[Risen Star]

Bobby Wagner would have been a great addition to this team. I think most of us here would agree with that position.

I'd trade 4 Claibornes for Brockers and Wagner.

Heck, make that a half dozen. Give me an impact player over somebody completely reliant on other players to do his job at a respectable level.

 

[OhSnap]

I actually think that he is right as we stand right now. But as I've said before, if a good HC could take advantage of what Romo has and the D was tweaked then I always think there is a turn around for any team. The issue is we still have Jerry doing his thing, Jason as coach and we aren't taking advantage of the division. After watching football this weekend I completely agree with the assessment. I think that is the upsetting part....these teams built themselves quickly and the right way...tough, stud defenses and enough playmakers on O to be dangerous. Telling stat was even with an expanded playoff we would still be out.

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Isn't it possible that with all turnover on the roster the last 3 years that the Cowboys are actually rebuilding and more of the new additions could start paying off next year? The same way the line shaped up this year and the same way Murray got his first 1000 yard season, Dez had his first complete season after coming on the second half of last year. Church just had his first complete year, Beasley has found him a role, Harris came on better than ever this year. These are all new guys that are just starting to pay off and it likely that some more new guys will start paying off next year too. They rebuilt with Parcells and and had a 6-10 and back to back 9-7 records before it really paid off.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Romo being born as Tom Brady instead of who he is..

would be fine by me.

How about Johnny Football instead?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

[quote="OhSnap, post: 5416265, member: 37505"]Isn't it possible that with all turnover on the roster the last 3 years that the Cowboys are actually rebuilding and more of the new additions could start paying off next year? The same way the line shaped up this year and the same way Murray got his first 1000 yard season, Dez had his first complete season after coming on the second half of last year. Church just had his first complete year, Beasley has found him a role, Harris came on better than ever this year. These are all new guys that are just starting to pay off and it likely that some more new guys will start paying off next year too. They rebuilt with Parcells and and had a 6-10 and back to back 9-7 records before it really paid off.[/quote]

Yes, it is possible. Ware, Witten and Romo are the only old guard elite players left but only Romo needs to remain relevant. If Dallas can replace the production of Ware and Witten, they could be better.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I have to agree, there is a lot to do on defense and Romo's back issue is a MAJOR concern to me.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Blue period

The Cowboys are sitting on the playoff sidelines for a fourth consecutive season. Here is what has happened in the NFC during this period.
Twelve of 16 teams have made the playoffs.
Ten different teams have won a division title.
Eight of 16 teams have compiled a better regular season record
The Cowboys and St. Louis are the only teams to fail to record a winning record in at least one season

This writer just doesn´t get it, this is all just a process, we´ve been hit hard with injuries, we lack the personnel, Garrett has brought in the RKG who play hard for him, the arrow is pointing up, it´s hard to turn around a franchise in a 4 year span let alone in 1 year, just wait and see whta this team can do if we are healthy, just remember Landry´s or Belichick´s first years as HC and all will be good.

HELLO, THIS PROVES ^^^^^^^^^ that Coaching matters people, Dallas can't buy one of those.

 

[MikeT22]

Do you honestly think that the Cowboys would not sell more merchandise, and make more money if they consistently won more games? Jerry might be wrong often, but to believe winning isn't important to him is pretty far fetched. Maybe even delusional.

He'd obviously rather be in control and lose than win with someone else making the decisions and getting the credit.

Does he want to win? Probably, but only doing it his way, which doesn't work.

 

[MikeT22]

Thats all fine but its already known that dallas wouldve picked brockers if they couldnt trade up for claiborne. So all that other stuff means nothing.

And Burict was passed by alot of teams because of off the field issues. Bengals pick those guys no matter what problems. It just so happens this time its been a winner for them.

Decastro was bad in his rookie yr. And wasnt much better this yr, and took out his own player(POUNCEY) on a chop block on a defensive player

Brockers/Wagner > Claiborne.

Decastro also was injured in his rookie year. Despite his problems, he'll likely be a longterm solid starter on their OL.

 

[gimmesix]

This writer isnt quite accurate. There were 2 games all yr the Cowboys got it handed to them, Saints and Bears.

In the other games where they played against teams that made the playoffs :
KC lost by 1 point
SD lost by 9
DEN lost by 3
GB lost by 1
PHI lost by 2

And this guy wants me to believe they are closer to the bottom? If Romo plays in the last game of the yr Dallas is in the playoffs and this article probably isnt even written.

Now if they want to say the coaching is closer to the bottom in all of sports i can buy that.

Or having a defense that isn't at the bottom of the league and Dallas probably beats at least two to three teams it lost to and finishes 10-6, wins the East and gets beaten in the first round because it still isn't quite good enough. Just a couple more stops by the defense would have made that difference.

 

[LatinMind]

Brockers/Wagner > Claiborne.

Decastro also was injured in his rookie year. Despite his problems, he'll likely be a longterm solid starter on their OL.

so decastro was injured as a rookie and wasnt too good this yr but he gets a pass because he will be a solid starter in the nfl. But Mo had a decent rookie yr and was injured his 2nd yr but wont be a solid starter?

 

[Redball Express]

How about Johnny Football instead?

I would love to see that.

But we never seem to make the right move before it just degenerates to a crisis.

 

[chicago JK]

I think Dallas is closer to a 6 win team. That is not to say they could win 10 next year....that is today's nfl. One thing depressing though it is pretty clear Dallas is getting further and further away from the top teams. And with several key payers leaving their elite window, I expect the gap to continue to widen moving forward.

 

[Seven]

Fast forward years from now when death is at hand I think he will privately be sad about how desperately he tried to be a one-man football genius and failed. But then he might be so full of denial he can't be honest with himself even then.

That's just it. Our only salvation. He will NEVER be the face of the franchise. Not in a positive aspect anyway.

He'll forever be the buffoon who floundered in self-inflicted mediocrity. A footnote in Dallas Cowboy history, IMO. An era reflected in the record books with very little to nothing.

And when it's all said and done.......some other team will have the biggest stadium in all the land.

 

[bysbox1]

If you consistently lose the tight games like that, year after year and in heart breaking fashion then its probably not bad luck or you being oh so close. It's more your team makeup and mentality. As I said, could they change things...sure. In fact the league makes it easier. But Jerry likes the status quo. But add in age, our cap issues, etc and that is where I have us closer to the bottom. I don't care if we lose by 1 or 30...if we keep ending up .500 then that is where we belong. You also have to take into effect how many games we barely won if you look at it the way you want. In 16 games there are going to be tight battles. If you consistently let them slip that is a team issue.

This . . . . .

You are what your record says you are.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

With the right system in place, a turnaround is never far away. And who knows? If Garrett gets it figured out, he may institute the right system yet.