News: Dak’s performance without Zeke

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There are certain things that stats just don't account for. One being that every defensive coordinator in the league is putting together a game plan to stop Zeke. Even before the game is played Zeke has affected it. You go back and look at a team like the Packers or Chiefs and teams game plan to attack the QB. The only way to rate Daks performance without Zeke is the games Zeke was suspended.
 

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But Romo is a Don Coryell quarterback, even though Dak was 2 measley yards short of breaking Romo's single season franchise record last season?

First off, I'm not a big Romo vs Dak guy. IMHO, that Romo contract killed the Cowboys. It essentially locked in mediocrity for years as was a big part of the reason Dallas has had so little playoff success. Not sure why so many people want to replicate that mistake.

I have posted the stats before. I have never seen a QB have as many yards as Dak did last year when the game was out of hand. Here are Dak's yards by year:
- 3667, 3324, 3885, 4902.

IMO, that 4902 was a flyer based on game situation. Games like the GB game where Dak racked up 462 yards playing against prevent defense most of the time while down big. Same thing happened against Buffalo where he had 355 in a game Dallas was completely blown out. When the games were close, those defenses were stopping the offense pretty easily. On the other side, he had 405 against the Giants in week 1 as the Giants stacked the box trying to come back while down big. In the games that were close and defenses played for real the whole game, like NO he had 223 or at Phi

The 3500 yard years were more Dak's speed.

Note: I'm not blaming the blowouts on Dak. Those were defensive horror shows which is my concern with giving Dak huge money. He isn't the type of QB that can overcome having a poor defense. Most QB's aren't. Mahomes is, winning the SB with the 17th rated defense in many shootouts.
 

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I simply asked you what it was you didn't understand.

My comment was as it pertains to the offense now being Dak and the passing game as the focal point.

The offense runs through Dak and the passing game, not through Zeke anymore.

I actually have no idea what you are talking about with Zeke and passing downs or whatever you are talking about.


It has NOTHING to do with me not understanding you. It has nothing to do with any specific point you NEED me to agree with you about.

You do understand what this thread is about right? QB rating stats without the running back. There's an insinuation you don't need Zeke. By the same logic, you wouldn't need a running back. And i think it's a stupid point. SO....I am asking you...or crap ANYONE .....(and I will TRY to be very simple for you)

Why wouldn't the QB rating NATURALLY be better without a RB..in "an empty set"?

It's really a simple straight forward question...I don't understand your problem with it. Other than you're need to be combative and disruptive.
 

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Yes, it’s greater without the RB in. What’s your point?

Dak’s QBR in empty sets is 4th-best since 2016... 4th-best of ALL NFL QBs when they’re in empty sets since 2016.


So...what is the point of this thread? What is your objective? What are you trying to convince people of? Maybe that will help me a bit.
 

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When your talking about Zeke’s head in blocking giving Dak an extra 1-2 seconds, are you referring to the extra time it takes defenders to run around his head? I could see that.


Are you trying to make me not like you again? :p

(yes...I hate his hair and beard too....I just rarely piss on my own players of MY team. I defend them when fans of other teams do it. Not sure what to make when alleged fans of my team do it. I just don;t know what to do with them. {shrug} Oh well have at it.)
 

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Are you trying to make me not like you again? :p

(yes...I hate his hair and beard too....I just rarely piss on my own players of MY team. I defend them when fans of other teams do it. Not sure what to make when alleged fans of my team do it. I just don;t know what to do with them. {shrug} Oh well have at it.)
I rarely do as well but I can’t stand this guy. The only other one I’ve ever really bashed it was about a 2 on a scale from 1-10 (Zeke being 100) was Beasley. Forget a fan throwing players under the bus, he was a player and threw his own teammates under the bus AND got into twitter wars with fans. Dude was a scum bag but not nearly as bad as Zeke.

I suggest you block me or just don’t respond to my hatred for Zeke because I’m not going to stop until he’s not on this team. Don’t take this personally, but I don’t see how people can defend a guy like him over and over again regardless if he wears the Star or regardless of his stats. If he were a scrub would you give him the same support? Hell no, everyone would say cut him. So it’s not as much about the player being on the team it’s how valuable is the player to the team. That’s a bit hypocritical.

I also find it odd how someone can support the guy with everything he’s done but you know yourselves if he was on another team you would be bashing the hell out of him. In other words, you overlook all of his flaws because he is a Cowboy. I call it like I see it, I don’t care what uniform they wear.

Oh well, not trying to start an argument with ya, just explaining my thoughts just a bit more.
 

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So...what is the point of this thread? What is your objective? What are you trying to convince people of? Maybe that will help me a bit.
LOLLLLLL

First, you wanted to know how Dak in empty sets “compared to other QBs”. I pointed out that the information is clear as day in my OP.

Then, you asked about it again, because apparently you can’t understand things the first 2 times they’re told to you. I gave you the “4th-best in the NFL” stat for a 3rd time.

And NOW, you have the nerve to ask what the point of the thread is????
:lmao2:

It was a thread with statistical information that nobody here knew previously. You can do with that information whatever you’d like.

Clearly, you’re one of the typical anti-Dak posters who are allergic to facts/stats. It’s crystal clear that you were looking to disregard the information from the very start... to the point where you started complaining about it before you even finished reading the OP.

You’re a joke and Dak’s kicking your butt at the game of life. That’s the point of the thread. Happy?
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LOLLLLLL

First, you wanted to know how Dak in empty sets “compared to other QBs”. I pointed out that the information is clear as day in my OP.

Then, you asked about it again, because apparently you can’t understand things the first 2 times they’re told to you. I gave you the “4th-best in the NFL” stat for a 3rd time.

And NOW, you have the nerve to ask what the point of the thread is????
:lmao2:

It was a thread with statistical information that nobody here knew previously. You can do with that information whatever you’d like.

Clearly, you’re one of the typical anti-Dak posters who are allergic to facts/stats. It’s crystal clear that you were looking to disregard the information from the very start... to the point where you started complaining about it before you even finished reading the OP.

You’re a joke and Dak’s kicking your butt at the game of life. That’s the point of the thread. Happy?
:thumbup:


Nope...not Dak hating AT all. You've never seen me "hate" on Dak EVER.

You are too interested in verbal sparring to even understand my question isn't even about Dak at all. It's about the STAT. You boasted a stat you can;t even explain and then laugh at me for asking you about it. Rich.
 

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I rarely do as well but I can’t stand this guy. The only other one I’ve ever really bashed it was about a 2 on a scale from 1-10 (Zeke being 100) was Beasley. Forget a fan throwing players under the bus, he was a player and threw his own teammates under the bus AND got into twitter wars with fans. Dude was a scum bag but not nearly as bad as Zeke.

I suggest you block me or just don’t respond to my hatred for Zeke because I’m not going to stop until he’s not on this team. Don’t take this personally, but I don’t see how people can defend a guy like him over and over again regardless if he wears the Star or regardless of his stats. If he were a scrub would you give him the same support? Hell no, everyone would say cut him. So it’s not as much about the player being on the team it’s how valuable is the player to the team. That’s a bit hypocritical.

I also find it odd how someone can support the guy with everything he’s done but you know yourselves if he was on another team you would be bashing the hell out of him. In other words, you overlook all of his flaws because he is a Cowboy. I call it like I see it, I don’t care what uniform they wear.

Oh well, not trying to start an argument with ya, just explaining my thoughts just a bit more.


I don;t use the ignore function. Never have never will. I put the smilie there to show you I was kidding. I'm a big boy...I can handle internet bullies.

So if'd you'd do me a favor...list all the things Zeke has done that makes you think he is a terrible human being. So you know...I do NOT think of athletes as my moral heroes. I do not expect them to break laws, especially violence ones. You would have never made it as a 60's and early 70's cowboys fan. They even made a movie about them. Pulling up a willing females shirt was angelic back then.
 

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Nope...not Dak hating AT all. You've never seen me "hate" on Dak EVER.

You are too interested in verbal sparring to even understand my question isn't even about Dak at all. It's about the STAT. You boasted a stat you can;t even explain and then laugh at me for asking you about it. Rich.
What is there to explain? What are you confused about exactly?

You’ve been confused this entire thread.
 

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What is there to explain? What are you confused about exactly?

You’ve been confused this entire thread.


And you STILL do not want to explain the point of your stat and what it means. Still? Sheesh!

I am confused about why you feel it is so meaningful. It APPEARS anti-Zeke. Yes?

Gee wow...a QB has a better QB rating when he is FORCED to make the plays. Wow. Brilliant.

Giving you many opportunities to change my mind about it..maybe something I am missing. And you just sit their insulting me about it rather than actually answering.
 

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Gee wow...a QB has a better QB rating when he is FORCED to make the plays. Wow. Brilliant.

You're really grasping at straws. And it's hilarious. Any athlete that executes when forced under pressure to perform a certain task, is obviously worth the $$$.
 

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That fact was true the first 2.5 year of Dak's career when he lacked experience, scheme, or proper weapons to throw to. That has now changed. Starting the 2nd half of the 2018 season and the arrival of Cooper this is now Dak's team and the offense runs through Dak and the passing game. That was certainly obvious last year as Zeke struggled the first half of the year yet the offense overall didn't.

And really the times where Garrett forced us to run the offense through Zeke last year and forced the run game is when the Cowboys had big problems. Only to let Moore open up the offense when we were down big and watch Dak and the passing game go off in a comeback attempt. Jets and Packers games in particular come to mind. I think a troll like you would refer to that as "garbage time"?

In the Packers game Zeke carried the ball 5 times for 44 yards over the first 3 series.1st series ended in an INT, 2nd ended in a sack and 3rd ended in an INT. Pollard played 4th series and it ended with a sack. So no forcing the run in that game.
 

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It has NOTHING to do with me not understanding you. It has nothing to do with any specific point you NEED me to agree with you about.

You do understand what this thread is about right? QB rating stats without the running back. There's an insinuation you don't need Zeke. By the same logic, you wouldn't need a running back. And i think it's a stupid point. SO....I am asking you...or crap ANYONE .....(and I will TRY to be very simple for you)

Why wouldn't the QB rating NATURALLY be better without a RB..in "an empty set"?

It's really a simple straight forward question...I don't understand your problem with it. Other than you're need to be combative and disruptive.

I don't care if you agree with anything. I never said anything about an empty set or any dumb thing you are talking about. My point was simply that the offense runs through Dak. You are obviously talking about someone else or someone elses post.
 

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And you STILL do not want to explain the point of your stat and what it means. Still? Sheesh!

I am confused about why you feel it is so meaningful. It APPEARS anti-Zeke. Yes?

Gee wow...a QB has a better QB rating when he is FORCED to make the plays. Wow. Brilliant.

Giving you many opportunities to change my mind about it..maybe something I am missing. And you just sit their insulting me about it rather than actually answering.
It’s funny to me that you’re both confused AND dismissive.

Maybe you’re just not very bright and I’m wasting my time explaining it to you.

I’ll try one more time. If you’re still confused after this, then this sport (or basic logic) may be too much for you to handle.

They tallied the stats of every single QB when they’re in empty sets since 2016. Dak Prescott has the NFL’s 4th-best QBR in empty sets since 2016.

So even if your assumption is correct (that all QBs will have a higher QBR in empty sets), that still doesn’t negate the fact that only 3 QBs in the NFL have a higher QBR in empty sets than Dak Prescott.

I can’t hold your hand and make it any clearer than that. This is my 4th time explaining it and you’re 0-3 in attempts at understanding it.

You keep bringing up “WELL OF COURSE IT’LL BE HIGHER WITH NO RB” as if the stat ONLY took Dak’s QBR in empty sets into play and compared it to every other QB’s QBR in ALL plays.

The point of the stat is showing that Dak has been excellent in empty sets since entering the league in 2016.
 

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Pssst... Dak has won each of his last 4 games in which Zeke didn’t play. So he kicks the **** out of you even when you try to cherry-pick like an idiot.

I know you’re embarrassed and you should be.

Dak wins, you lose. Because winners win and losers lose.

$31.4m on the tag. 5-year/$175m offer on the table.
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Hey, I like Dak numbers as much as you: Dak had a great rookie year when no one had game tape on him or knew who he was. In the subsequent three years against teams above .500 he is: 6-17 as the starter, and has a td-to-int. ratio of 25-25. Last year that ratio against above .500 teams was 8-8, and he went 1-6 against those winning teams. He is awesome against losing teams though. He just sucks against winning teams and real competition. You’re a numbers guy; can you find out how many Super Bowl winning teams got to the Super Bowl by just playing teams with losing records ? Cause if there is a way to do that, boy do we have the right quarterback ! P.S. I know it hurts.
 

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Hey, I like Dak numbers as much as you: Dak had a great rookie year when no one had game tape on him or knew who he was. In the subsequent three years against teams above .500 he is: 6-17 as the starter, and has a td-to-int. ratio of 25-25. Last year that ratio against above .500 teams was 8-8, and he went 1-6 against those winning teams. He is awesome against losing teams though. He just sucks against winning teams and real competition. You’re a numbers guy; can you find out how many Super Bowl winning teams got to the Super Bowl by just playing teams with losing records ? Cause if there is a way to do that, boy do we have the right quarterback ! P.S. I know it hurts.
Cherry-picking his stats when the entire picture is available...

“DURRRRR LET’S JUST TOSS OUT 2016 WHEN HE HAD THE BEST ROOKIE SEASON IN NFL HISTORY!”

That’s when you know you have NOTHING.
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(Your garbage post contains faulty information anyways. Dallas beat the Rams and Eagles last year and both finished with a winning record. So “1-6” is a lie.)
 
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I don;t use the ignore function. Never have never will. I put the smilie there to show you I was kidding. I'm a big boy...I can handle internet bullies.

So if'd you'd do me a favor...list all the things Zeke has done that makes you think he is a terrible human being. So you know...I do NOT think of athletes as my moral heroes. I do not expect them to break laws, especially violence ones. You would have never made it as a 60's and early 70's cowboys fan. They even made a movie about them. Pulling up a willing females shirt was angelic back then.
I get that but for me it’s the stupidity of it all. We live in a different society now, like it or not. Personally, I think people are way too sensitive but that doesn’t mean I can do whatever I want. I’ve had to change my actions at work and in public due to my job, as have most of us in one way or another. What used to be considered acceptable isn’t any more. Laws have changed as have the NFL’s rules, inconsistent or not, like them or not, we and they have to change the way they act in public or in private if there are people taking pictures, videos, etc. I was talking to a guy yesterday who is on our interview board and he said the first thing he does when he gets the list of names, before even interviewing the person, is going straight to their FB page, Instagram, etc. This is as social media as I get, I’ve never had a FB account nor will ever partly due to those reasons.

Having said that, pulling up a girls shirt in public during a parade may not be a big deal. Pulling up a girls shirt during a parade, whether she did it herself before hand or not, during the #MeToo craze and while being investigated by the NFL for domestic violence against a woman (innocent or not) and while being a high profile athlete is just plain friggin stupid. What a moron. Are you kidding? Whether you agree or not, whether I agree or not...athletes are held to higher standards and this was just plain dumb for so many reasons. It goes a lot deeper than just “he pulled up a girls shirt”.

Then you have the first nightclub incident in Dallas, after he was suspended for DV and he knocks out a DJ?! Please spare me the “we don’t know if he did it”. I, and a few other people who know or knew people who worked at or with the club have been told by those people he 100% did do it. If you look at all the bs surrounding it, it’s clearly obvious. That’s like saying OBJ didn’t have coke in front of him in that video...please. Do I think he should have been suspended for it...no. There was no clear evidence from what we saw but all the people who claim the NFL is out to get Zeke, the NFL could have easily investigated this and it could have resulted in him being suspended for a year or more but they didn’t. Same goes for the parade incident. So he knocked someone out...not a huge deal, I’ve been arrested for fighting once but as an NFL athlete and under his circumstances it was just DUMB. He’s a dumb diva...a DD.

Then you have another incident in Vegas, after the first nightclub incident, in which he went after another DJ and his own teammates had to restrain him, he ended up being permanently banned.

Then you have the security guard incident. Did he shove him? No. But yet again, with his prior history he turned around and initiated physical contact with someone. A nudge, a push, a punch...I don’t care, he should have walked away. He’s out in public, clearly altered, with people filming and this is what he does? He also kept standing in the way of his date who was trying to leave...not a good look for someone just suspended for DV against a woman.

Then you have him holding out with 2 years left on his contract and demanding to be paid as the highest RB ever. There’s all this hate against Dak but a lot lf those same people had no problem with The Ewok holding out.

He’s an entitled brat bully diva who has always been in the most fortunate of circumstances and is used to getting what he wants. His selfish actions could not only potentially hurt him but could have easily hurt the team as well which is what I have a problem with. I don’t care what happens to him, I hope some day he crosses the wrong person and gets what’s coming to him, that’s the only way these dumb bullies learn their lesson. It’s sickening people support this dbag no matter what he does just because he’s a Cowboy.
 
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