Dak’s stats during our three game win streak

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  1. lopey

    lopey Well-Known Member

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    I think he got benched....
     
  2. Cowboyz88

    Cowboyz88 Well-Known Member

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    Well, unlike a lot of "geniuses" here, I don't proclaim to be able to predict the future, hence the "if."

    I can, however, unequivocally state that Romo never won a Super Bowl, which makes his cult-like status around here so confusing, especially in light of the fact that Staubach and Aikman actually did.

    So, to restate, if Dak does win it, it'll be so sweet watching his haters try to bring him down even after.
     
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  3. Manster68

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    Folks, if the quarterback on your team is not playing at the level of Brees, Brady, Ben, Goff, & Mahomes, then you better keep looking for another quarterback. I'M not satisfied with mediocre quarterback play.

    I really don't care about the numbers. Too many times there have been wide open receivers and Prescott either sails the ball too high, bounces the ball in front of them, or just does not see them at all. This has cost Dallas a few games this season.
     
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  4. Kaiser

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    Would you have played Brees and Goff before they turned into Brees and Goff? It didn't happen overnight.
     
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  5. Gaede

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    Come on man. You know you're not making sense and grasping at straws here. I'm pointing out that you're lying by saying Dak is inaccurate when the numbers--over THREE YEARS--definitely prove that he is not inaccurate. I'm not saying that accuracy is his greatest strength, nor am I saying that any QB who is accurate is therefore good.

    Dak has a lot going for him--athletic ability, intangibles, decision-making, and accuracy. He also has his faults--pocket presence, footwork, risk-taking. You're lying by putting one of his strengths into his weaknesses.

    Anybody in their right mind would love to have a QB put up 280 yds, 3 TDS, 0 INTs, 0 fumbles, guiding their team to a 3-game win streak.
     
  6. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    What measures accuracy then?

    Completion % is the gold standard for judging accuracy in QBs coming from college to the pros.
     
  7. Rayman70

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    hmmm...clearing my throat, forgive me, but all QB'S need a "clean pocket" don't they? lol...Otherwise, its kinda hard to do your job as a QB. I thought Fleming had a nice quiet game filling in for Tyron btw. Didn't really have any major issues. Did good. Nice to know we have decent depth behind Tyron and Fredbeard.
     
  8. Philmonroe

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    You people that bring up Romo as a catch all for every critique about Dak are just as pressed as the other side. Y'all both sound like delusional groupies waiting to get backstage. Romo been retired and Dak is avg on his own merits. I wish y'all stop bringing up Romo at least when replying to me because I've never even compared the two outside of saying I thought Romo should've got the QB job back in 2016 but get why they stayed with Dak.

    Well since chances are slim that he will win what will you use the 2016 forever?
     
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  9. Philmonroe

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    Don't know what stat does measure accuracy but I know what doesn't measure accuracy and that's completion percentage. If that was the case every dang scout coming in would've said Dak was accurate and that wasn't close to the consensus even though he had 66% or so accuracy in college his last year or two. He wouldn't been a fourth rd QB if he was so accurate in college and going by your claim of completion percentage equaling accuracy he was accurate.
     
  10. Cowboyz88

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    Good, cuz I wish you'd stop with your "you people" when discussing Dak with me.

    I'm certainly not a Dak hater, but don't paint me as some Dak fan boy.

    I just want a QB who can lead us to the promised land. You can't get to said promised land without making the playoffs, and right now, we're in the hunt, so all is good with me.

    Now, as with all of our previous QB's, including Mr Romo, if he does great things to help, cool, but if he he hurts us with INTs or poor judgment, you can bet that I'll say something.

    I just think the Dak haters, especially in light of recent events, are way too irrational, and for the first time in my many years on this forum, I'm putting people on ignore.
     
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  11. Gaede

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    Every single report mentioned how improved his accuracy was in his final year, calling attn to his improvement from 60% to 66% completion.

    The stat is used specifically to measure accuracy.

    Some QBs can pad these stats depending on their system. Dak is not in one of those systems now.
     
  12. Manster68

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    Dak is in his third season and no defense is respecting the deep passing game. Even decent passers make the throws Noah Brown, Beasley on the sideline, and the deep pass to Gallop.

    If Dak could stretch the field, Dallas is 9-2 easily.
     
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  14. Kaiser

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    For the record, I'm not that guy on Twitter. Its a very obvious point however.
     
  15. Kaiser

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    Because Allen Hurns and Deonte Thompson could stretch the field? I think the before and after pictures of this team with Amari Cooper show the issue wasn't and isn't Dak.
     
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  16. DFWJC

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    Just talking about two plays...the thread was about the last couple games.
    Just stating the obvious.

    Of course for the sason we’re near last in anything pass related.
    We already know that
     
  17. Super_Kazuya

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    Dak is absolutely in a system that pads his completion percentage. The same system does hurt his raw passing totals as well.

    Completion percentage is not accuracy. It just means the receiver caught the ball. If a QB underthrows a wide open receiver who has to come back for the ball and gets tackled, no one would consider that an accurate pass. Dak struggles to hit the receiver in the spot to maximize YAC, you see it all the time.

    Completion percentage also doesn't really mean the same thing it used to mean. To give you an example, when Romo retired (just two years ago) his 65.2% completion percentage was 6th all-time in the history of the NFL. This year Dak is completing the same 65.2% of his passes... and he's 19th in the league. Derek Carr and Eli Manning, who are not considered to be having good seasons, are completing 70% and 69% respectively. Cam freakin' Newton, a career 59% passer, is completing 69% this year. There's nothing special about Dak in the accuracy department this year.
     
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  18. Philmonroe

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    We get painted as Fan boys or haters by what side we seem to be on more often. You happen to wear a Dak fan boy uniform even if you're not one just like some will think I wear a Dak hater uniform. That's what it is and "you people" just describe you and others who all stay mentioning Romo when I didn't mention him so why are y'all bring him up? That's what you people means in this context and nothing else.
     
  19. jterrell

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    Reality is whether a pass is thrown 5 yards or 75 yards it is either catchable or not.
    The aim of any pass is to complete it so yes completion percentage matters big time and is a gauge of accuracy.

    Dak actually throws more intermediate stuff than anyone.
    It by design that they play run to intermediate passing routes.
    Its really just simple math.
    3-4 yards gain on 1st, pass for 5-8 yards on 2nd and then you choose 3rd down play based upon distance needed.
    Add in a lot of reluctance to turn the ball over and you get this offense.
    It's seldom pretty but it is 28-15 which means it is effective.

    The early 90's DAL offense was boring and plain too. No one cared because they won championships.

    There are other advanced QB stats that show QBS accuracy percentages are ALWAYS higher than their completion %.
    And there is an advanced stat called Completion Percentage Above Expectation.
    Dak is top half the league in BOTH those stats as well.

    Reality is he is accurate by any measure than some total goofball's opinion.

    At the same time there are obvious advanced stats around a collapsing pocket that suggest he is not accurate when pressured.
    That not only meets eyeball tests it is pretty obvious.
    Same as was the fact he was getting zero help from his receivers pre-trade.
    There is no reason in this day and age to just randomly toss out rote opinions with zero backing.
    And it is especially bad form and trolly to do so while attacking a team's own players.
     
  20. Cowboyz88

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    I didn't take "you people" any other way than you throwing me in as a Dak "fan boy."

    I can tell you that I am not, but I think the majority of the Dak hate often coincides with how fervently some fans worshipped Romo, whether you want to acknowledge the correlation or not.

    The most vocal Dak critics are usually the ones that were/are most effusive in their praise of Romo.
     
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