Dak in perspective

Super_Kazuya said:
Yep. He also had a 96 QB rating as a rookie, 32 years ago. I imagine adjusted for today that would lead the league. He was an amazing passer.
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Marino was good but he only completed 58.4% of his passes during his rookie year.
 
Super_Kazuya said:
You clearly don't understand football, good, bad or otherwise. But let's see how a Dak slobberer thinks.

5 time MVP winner Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions as a rookie. Last year's MVP Cam Newton had 17.
Guys who have competed for MVP Ryan, Luck and Stafford had 11, 18 and 20 interceptions as rookies. Now how do YOU interpret that data as it pertains to interceptions and rookie quarterbacks?
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If Dak had thrown more interceptions we might not have HFA. I don't want him throwing picks if he can avoid it. He can develop and learn while protecting the ball and making good decisions.
 
Super_Kazuya said:
But see, here's the thing, I don't think it's his fault he doesn't chuck it around. It's Garrett in his ear, just like he was in Weeden's. Because they are trying to win now with him, and aren't concerned with his development at the moment. Peyton Manning didn't throw 28 interceptions because he was a bad QB. At the time, he was actually touted as the most pro-ready QB to ever enter the league. But they were a horrrible team, and they turned him loose and let him learn from his mistakes and develop. And they went from 3-13 in his first year to 13-3 in his next. And we know the rest of he story with Peyton Manning. Meanwhile Dak can't afford to develop, so they have made him comfortable with some of his college stuff, a lot of shotgun and half field reads. In the short term it is helping the team, but is it helping him? I think it's a fair question to ask. So that is why I am not as excited to see 4 INTs for Dak and 28 for Peyton Manning and 18 for Troy Aikman. Because it sure looks like those interceptions meant something.
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I think the lack of interceptions is something you saw from him even in college. He's just a good decision-maker by nature.

As far as learning and developing, he has done that. Even if his struggle hasn't been with interceptions, he has improved in a number of other areas over the course of the season: footwork, audibling (I think we're seeing him do that more comfortably now), accuracy, beating blitzes, reading defenses, long balls, finding open receivers, etc. A lot of that stuff, we're seeing him steadily improve week to week. Remember how footwork was a major criticism around the Philly game? I haven't heard a peep about it in months. Remember how we lamented how he started slow, and inaccurate, for a few quarters at the beginning of every game before he found the groove? That hasn't been an issue lately. And all those loosely held balls that would be fumbled once he was sacked? Hasn't happened lately. That tells me he's obviously been working on those areas.

I want him to continue to work on beating blitzes, finding open receivers, stepping up into the pocket, and throwing accurate long balls, but he's nevertheless been growing impressively, learning from mistakes, and developing into a fine QB.

Further, I've not heard one veteran QB ever mention how much of their success is predicated on how many picks they threw their first year, or how Dak should throw more picks to improve his shot at developing into an elite player. Everyone from Troy, Staubach, Favre, Steve Young, and a bunch of others have commended him for the very thing you find concerning about him.
 
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As an unabashed Prescott critic during the draft process, if you told me he would do this, even after the preseason he had, I still would have laughed at you.

Now, I am to be laughed at.

I have noticed some of you "liking" my comments back pre-draft to taunt me.

Go ahead.

Point. Giggle. But please understand, I have feelings too.
 
18 INT for Troy as a rookie probably has a lot to do with him having no time to think or throw, as his o-line was garbage. Nate Newton talks about it all the time.
 
JJHLH1 said:
There comes a point where the statistical evidence becomes overwhelming. That is the case with Dak. But there's also the intangible qualities as well: leadership, grit, handling the spotlight and pressure. Dak is the greatest rookie QB in NFL history. He's now the gold standard that all subsequent rookie QB's will be compared to. Of course to cement his greatness he will need to have success in the postseason. The most important goals have yet to be accomplished.
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IMO, if he had been drafted in the first round, he would hands down be the MVP favorite.
 
knightrider94 said:
IMO, if he had been drafted in the first round, he would hands down be the MVP favorite.
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I don't think that matters.

Elliott being here has an effect. Rare you see two players at that level.

I bet they "cancel" each other out and Ryan gets it.

That will anger me immensely.
 
His 1st preseason game, I thought: Hmm, looks like he's not hopeless.
His 2nd preseason game, I thought: Yep, he's got something.
His 1st regular season game, I thought: He looks like he may have what it takes to be this team's future.
His 2nd regular season game, I thought: He should be this team's present.

Whatever we all think about Romo it's more than plain to anyone not willfully obtuse that Dak is the man and will be for the next 10 years (at least).
 
Alexander said:
As an unabashed Prescott critic during the draft process, if you told me he would do this, even after the preseason he had, I still would have laughed at you.

Now, I am to be laughed at.

I have noticed some of you "liking" my comments back pre-draft to taunt me.

Go ahead.

Point. Giggle. But please understand, I have feelings too.
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Need to go search for those threads...
 
fishspill said:
His 1st preseason game, I thought: Hmm, looks like he's not hopeless.
His 2nd preseason game, I thought: Yep, he's got something.
His 1st regular season game, I thought: He looks like he may have what it takes to be this team's future.
His 2nd regular season game, I thought: He should be this team's present.

Whatever we all think about Romo it's more than plain to anyone not willfully obtuse that Dak is the man and will be for the next 10 years (at least).
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One would actually be closer to willfully obtuse if you thought he was going to be the QB here for 10 more years... and that applies to any young QB. Only 9 QBs in the last 20 years have managed that. It's hard to do.
 
Alexander said:
I don't think that matters.

Elliott being here has an effect. Rare you see two players at that level.

I bet they "cancel" each other out and Ryan gets it.

That will anger me immensely.
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I agree that Matty Melt (or Aaron Rogers) will win it because Zeke and Dak will cancel each other out.

But I think there is a hidden bias because he was not a first round pick and people want to see if the fourth rounder can continue to perform at a high level for seasons to come.

If Wentz had done the same...
 
Gaede said:
I have never said other players don't play a role. I would never say that. That's completely ridiculous.

Dak's level of difficulty, being a rookie starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL vs. legit NFL defenses and defensive coordinators and secondaries and defensive lines, is exactly the same level of difficulty for every other rookie passer in the history of the league.

And he's played better than all of them
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That's simply not true. Having a better running game, better pass protection, and quality receivers make the job of a rookie QB immensely easier than a rookie QB who has no running game, terrible pass pro, and poor receivers. Do you honestly think Dak would look anywhere like what he does if he was behind the line Troy was playing with in his rookie year?
 
Hawkeye19 said:
Well-- what is the point of statistical analysis when you are free to inflate or deflate the numbers depending on subjective variables whenever you feel like?
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You can analyze stats, but you have to do so with context and include other factors in your analysis. Stats are just one tool of many.
 
SultanOfSix said:
The fact that the next person on the list is RGIII (although I don't think he's like him) makes me still cautious to pronounce anything despite what he's done this year.
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RG3 was a fraud. Could not pass and relied on the read option and running to succeed. And really, he had a terrible start to the season. He just got hot the final fewmonths and got into the playoffs and was never the same after.
 
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