Dak in perspective

[Kevinicus]

Marino was good but he only completed 58.4% of his passes during his rookie year.

 

[Kevinicus]

18 INT for Troy as a rookie probably has a lot to do with him having no time to think or throw, as his o-line was garbage. Nate Newton talks about it all the time.

Ex. Act. Ly!

 

[Gabe]

This is getting laughable, and desperate. I've seen the "he will never play an NFL snap" "he is only facing vanilla defenses" "he is missing open WR (even though Brady misses several every game)" and now it has turned to "he isn't throwing enough INTs?!?!"

It is fun logging in here just for a laugh once or twice a day.

I have ZERO doubt, if Dak wins 10 Super Bowls in a row, you will still have some folks here critiquing some aspect of his game while wishing him injury and dreaming of 46 year old Romo returning.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

This is getting laughable, and desperate. I've seen the "he will never play an NFL snap" "he is only facing vanilla defenses" "he is missing open WR (even though Brady misses several every game)" and now it has turned to "he isn't throwing enough INTs?!?!"

It is fun logging in here just for a laugh once or twice a day.

Is this in addition to the laughs you unwittingly create such as downgrading Zeke to an easily replaceable back in order to hype up Dak?

 

[Carnivor3]

Now compare his team to all those other teams, and I think you'll also find that it's not really close.

Surely you're joking. Big Ben had the #1 rated defense in the NFL that year. Along with Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress and a Stout Oline. They had a better team than this years cowboys. Wilson had an all time defense that was also ranked #1 and Marshawn Lynch. And again QBs aside I'd take that team over this years Dallas team. Dak may have better weapons on offense. But Ben and Russell had elite defenses. And those elite Defenses consistently win games, especially when it counts the most, in the postseason.

 

[visionary]

What Dak is doing is absolutely great but I'll say again what I've said before, we don't know for sure until the end of next year

If Dak is playing at top 10 level at the end of next year then I'll agree

 

[Kevinicus]

Surely you're joking. Big Ben had the #1 rated defense in the NFL that year. Along with Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress and a Stout Oline. They had a better team than this years cowboys. Wilson had an all time defense that was also ranked #1 and Marshawn Lynch. And again QBs aside I'd take that team over this years Dallas team. Dak may have better weapons on offense. But Ben and Russell had elite defenses. And those elite Defenses consistently win games, especially when it counts the most, in the postseason.

I didn't realize all of those stats in the OP were defensive stats. My bad.

 

[Gaede]

That's simply not true. Having a better running game, better pass protection, and quality receivers make the job of a rookie QB immensely easier than a rookie QB who has no running game, terrible pass pro, and poor receivers. Do you honestly think Dak would look anywhere like what he does if he was behind the line Troy was playing with in his rookie year?

But when does that argument stop? If Romo played, would we be saying it's because of the OL the RB and the coaches that he succeeds? If Brady was a Brown would he be a hall of famer? If ___ happened, then would ___ still happen?

It's total madness to disqualify something that is very real because of something that might have been or might never have happened if ___ were true

 

[Gabe]

What Dak is doing is absolutely great but I'll say again what I've said before, we don't know for sure until the end of next year

If Dak is playing at top 10 level at the end of next year then I'll agree

I knew for sure before he was drafted, but whatever makes you feel better... I guess.

 

[Seven]

The most unprecedented thing about it is he is doing it without using the read option as a crutch.

BAM!! Finally.......All these arm chair message board QB's and supposed professional talking heads never ONCE mention this.

Yah..... What now.....?

 

[Carnivor3]

I didn't realize all of those stats in the OP were defensive stats. My bad.

I like how you constantly move the goal post in these debates. The post I quoted from you said compare Dak's team to those other QBs Teams which is exactly what I was doing. The last time I checked defense was a part of the team.

 

[Paniolo22]

I would say we are blessed to have Dak as well as having Romo as a rookie FA. Then I see Hutch and Carter on that list and call it even.

 

[NumOneQB]

Dak has arrived, no doubt. He's got an amazing chance at doing something unprecedented in the NFL. Still baffles me how anyone can question his ability.
The Cam comments here make me laugh. The guy is an amazing player. I'd draft him 1st 10 times out of 10.
I still think Shanahan & Lil' Napolean ruined RG3's career. That's another story....

 

[slomoxn]

Dak inherited a 4-12 team.
Excuses or not we were 4-12.

This comparison isn't even about our record but instead shows passing efficiency. Sure we have Zeke and it helps. But we still had a healthy running game last year and we were still 4-12.

Minimizing Dak because of talent around him is the crap the Eagles fans turn to when they feel nervous and insecure over Dak vs Wentz.
Matt Cassell and Weeden had talent around them and we couldn't score at all.

How dare you come in here and post something positive about this rook when so many in here have worked so hard to down play any of his accomplishments. This 2015 4-12 team with basically the same players Could be a whopping 8-8 team if one of the other backups are starting this year after Romo went down. Dakota is a bus driver that just got lucky and didn't throw very many int's, not because he is smart with the ball but because he is scared. He is a run first QB that in his first attempt running a pro style offense under center just happened to have all the players from last year that apparently had no faith in the QBs from 2015 rally around him to protect him and help him help them go 13-2. This has nothing to do with him, any of the QB's from last year could do this same thing. Yes the sarcasm oozes from every pore here.

 

[coult44]

Was just curious to see how Dak compared to other rookie QBs throughout recent history. Other than RG3 and Russell Wilson and Big Ben, it's really not even close. Here are some of the top and most notable rookies dating back to Peyton Manning's rookie year of 1998. It's sorted by QB rating. Cowboys are bolded.

Dak Prescott - 2016 - 451 attempts - 68.1% - 3630 yards - 8.0 average - 23 TDs - 4 INTs - 105.6 rating
Robert Griffin - 2012 - 393 attempts - 65.6% - 3200 yards - 8.1 average - 20 TDs - 5 INTs - 102.4 rating
Russell Wilson - 2012 - 393 attempts - 64.1% - 3118 yards - 7.9 average - 26 TDs - 10 INTs - 100.0 rating
Ben Roethlisberger - 2004 - 295 attempts - 66.4% - 2621 yards - 8.9 average - 17 TDs - 11 INTs - 98.1 rating
Marcus Mariota - 2015 - 370 attempts - 62.2% - 2818 yards - 7.6 average - 19 TDs - 10 INTs - 91.5 rating
Matt Ryan - 2008 - 434 attempts - 61.1% - 3440 yards - 7.9 average - 16 TDs - 11 INTs - 87.7 rating
Teddy Bridgewater - 2014 - 402 attempts - 64.4% - 2919 yards - 7.3 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 85.2 rating
Cam Newton - 2011 - 517 attempts - 60.0% - 4051 yards - 7.8 average - 21 TDs - 17 INTs - 84.5 rating
Jameis Winston - 2015 - 535 attempts - 58.3% - 4042 yards - 7.6 average - 22 TDs - 15 INTs - 84.2 rating
Mike Glennon - 2013 - 416 attempts - 59.4% - 2608 yards - 6.3 average - 19 TDs - 9 INTs - 83.9 rating
Charlie Batch - 1998 - 303 attempts - 57.1% - 2178 yards - 7.2 average - 11 TDs - 6 INTs - 83.5 rating
Andy Dalton - 2011 - 516 attempts - 58.1% - 3398 yards - 6.6 average - 20 TDs - 13 INTs - 80.4 rating
Joe Flacco - 2008 - 428 attempts - 60.0% - 2971 yards - 6.9 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 80.3 rating
Carson Wentz - 2016 - 564 attempts - 62.4% - 3537 yards - 6.3 average - 14 TDs - 14 INTs - 78.2 rating
Derek Carr - 2014 - 599 attempts - 58.1% - 3270 yards - 5.5 average - 21 TDs - 12 INTs - 76.6 rating
Andrew Luck - 2012 - 627 attempts - 54.1% - 4374 yards - 7.0 average - 23 TDs - 18 INTs - 76.5 rating
Sam Bradford - 2010 - 590 attempts - 60.0% - 3512 yards - 6.0 average - 18 TDs - 15 INTs - 76.5 rating
Matt Leinart - 2006 - 377 attempts - 56.8% - 2547 yards - 6.8 average - 11 TDs - 12 INTs - 74.0 rating
Byron Leftwich - 2003 - 418 attempts - 57.2% - 2819 yards - 6.7 average - 14 TDs - 16 INTs - 73.0 rating
Peyton Manning - 1998 - 575 attempts - 56.7% - 3739 yards - 6.5 average - 26 TDs - 28 INTs - 71.2 rating
Vince Young - 2006 - 357 attempts - 51.5% - 2199 yards - 6.2 average - 12 TDs - 13 INTs - 66.7 rating
Chad Hutchinson - 2002 - 250 attempts - 50.8% - 1555 yards - 6.2 average - 7 TDs - 8 INTs - 66.3 rating
Quincy Carter - 2001 - 176 attempts - 51.1%

Was just curious to see how Dak compared to other rookie QBs throughout recent history. Other than RG3 and Russell Wilson and Big Ben, it's really not even close. Here are some of the top and most notable rookies dating back to Peyton Manning's rookie year of 1998. It's sorted by QB rating. Cowboys are bolded.

Dak Prescott - 2016 - 451 attempts - 68.1% - 3630 yards - 8.0 average - 23 TDs - 4 INTs - 105.6 rating
Robert Griffin - 2012 - 393 attempts - 65.6% - 3200 yards - 8.1 average - 20 TDs - 5 INTs - 102.4 rating
Russell Wilson - 2012 - 393 attempts - 64.1% - 3118 yards - 7.9 average - 26 TDs - 10 INTs - 100.0 rating
Ben Roethlisberger - 2004 - 295 attempts - 66.4% - 2621 yards - 8.9 average - 17 TDs - 11 INTs - 98.1 rating
Marcus Mariota - 2015 - 370 attempts - 62.2% - 2818 yards - 7.6 average - 19 TDs - 10 INTs - 91.5 rating
Matt Ryan - 2008 - 434 attempts - 61.1% - 3440 yards - 7.9 average - 16 TDs - 11 INTs - 87.7 rating
Teddy Bridgewater - 2014 - 402 attempts - 64.4% - 2919 yards - 7.3 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 85.2 rating
Cam Newton - 2011 - 517 attempts - 60.0% - 4051 yards - 7.8 average - 21 TDs - 17 INTs - 84.5 rating
Jameis Winston - 2015 - 535 attempts - 58.3% - 4042 yards - 7.6 average - 22 TDs - 15 INTs - 84.2 rating
Mike Glennon - 2013 - 416 attempts - 59.4% - 2608 yards - 6.3 average - 19 TDs - 9 INTs - 83.9 rating
Charlie Batch - 1998 - 303 attempts - 57.1% - 2178 yards - 7.2 average - 11 TDs - 6 INTs - 83.5 rating
Andy Dalton - 2011 - 516 attempts - 58.1% - 3398 yards - 6.6 average - 20 TDs - 13 INTs - 80.4 rating
Joe Flacco - 2008 - 428 attempts - 60.0% - 2971 yards - 6.9 average - 14 TDs - 12 INTs - 80.3 rating
Carson Wentz - 2016 - 564 attempts - 62.4% - 3537 yards - 6.3 average - 14 TDs - 14 INTs - 78.2 rating
Derek Carr - 2014 - 599 attempts - 58.1% - 3270 yards - 5.5 average - 21 TDs - 12 INTs - 76.6 rating
Andrew Luck - 2012 - 627 attempts - 54.1% - 4374 yards - 7.0 average - 23 TDs - 18 INTs - 76.5 rating
Sam Bradford - 2010 - 590 attempts - 60.0% - 3512 yards - 6.0 average - 18 TDs - 15 INTs - 76.5 rating
Matt Leinart - 2006 - 377 attempts - 56.8% - 2547 yards - 6.8 average - 11 TDs - 12 INTs - 74.0 rating
Byron Leftwich - 2003 - 418 attempts - 57.2% - 2819 yards - 6.7 average - 14 TDs - 16 INTs - 73.0 rating
Peyton Manning - 1998 - 575 attempts - 56.7% - 3739 yards - 6.5 average - 26 TDs - 28 INTs - 71.2 rating
Vince Young - 2006 - 357 attempts - 51.5% - 2199 yards - 6.2 average - 12 TDs - 13 INTs - 66.7 rating
Chad Hutchinson - 2002 - 250 attempts - 50.8% - 1555 yards - 6.2 average - 7 TDs - 8 INTs - 66.3 rating
Quincy Carter - 2001 - 176 attempts - 51.1% - 1072 yards - 6.1 average - 5 TDs - 7 INTs - 63.0 rating
Mark Sanchez - 2009 - 364 attempts - 53.8% - 2444 yards - 6.7 average - 12 TDs - 20 INTs - 63.0 rating
Mike Vick - 2001 - 113 attempts - 44.2% - 785 yards - 6.9 average - 2 TDs - 3 INTs - 62.7 rating
Matthew Stafford - 2009 - 377 attempts - 53.3% - 2267 yards - 6.0 average - 13 TDs - 20 INTs - 61.0 rating
Donovan McNabb - 1999 - 216 attempts - 49.1% - 948 yards - 4.4 average - 8 TDs - 7 INTs - 60.1 rating
Kyle Orton - 2005 - 368 attempts - 51.6% - 1869 yards - 5.1 average - 9 TDs - 13 INTs - 59.7 rating
Eli Manning - 2004 - 197 attempts - 48.2% - 1043 yards - 5.3 average - 6 TDs - 9 INTs - 55.4 rating
Alex Smith - 2005 - 165 attempts - 50.9% - 875 yards - 5.3 average - 1 TD - 11 INTs - 40.8 rating
Ryan Leaf - 1998 - 245 attempts - 45.3% - 1289 yards - 5.3 average - 2 TDs - 15 INTs - 39.0 rating

Just a question. How many of those guys were first round picks?

 

[slomoxn]

You clearly don't understand football, good, bad or otherwise. But let's see how a Dak slobberer thinks.

5 time MVP winner Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions as a rookie. Last year's MVP Cam Newton had 17.
Guys who have competed for MVP Ryan, Luck and Stafford had 11, 18 and 20 interceptions as rookies. Now how do YOU interpret that data as it pertains to interceptions and rookie quarterbacks?

When they run out of things to nit pick about Dak, they come up with this hair brained idea that he'd be better off throwing more picks. You can't fix stupid.

heads are going to explode if Dakota wins the super bowl.

 

[AsthmaField]

For some people, you need a stronger word than agenda.

Unbelievable how some are still discounting what Dak has done. He has the chance to set the Dallas Cowboys record for most wins in a season this week, and at worst is tied for the best.

Lets you know that for some, the team's success comes second While their wishes and opinions being correct come first.

Unbelievable.

If they don't live and die by the W/L record... what are they even doing on this board?

 

[Sepia]

It's funny how the arguments have evolved.

It used to be, "It's just preseason! Wait until he is no longer seeing vanilla defenses, and coordinators show him exotic blitzes!"

Now it's, "Wait until he is no longer a rookie and see how he performs next year."

Can't wait until it's, "Even with two rings, he's not elite until he has more than that!"

What if the dude having the best rookie season of all time actually turns out to be one of the best (or THE best) QBs of all time? Sure, it's a long shot. But what if he is? He could regress... but what if he does exactly what he's done since college, continue to develop and improve? Wouldn't it be awesome for Cowboy fans to be able to claim him proudly, like Patriot fans do Brady and Niner fans do Montana? I don't know. I think it's a cool thought.

 

[TheCount]

The most unprecedented thing about it is he is doing it without using the read option as a crutch.

There's nothing wrong with the read option, but I think a lot of people were fooled by Dak's running production in college into thinking he's a running QB when he's much more of an athlethic pocket passer.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

The problem with this is that Dak has not been the sole reason the team has won these games. This is showcased by the lack of TD passes. As badly as some do not want to admit it, Dak is a game manager. Fans act like that's a hateful statement but it's not when the team is built this way.

People who point to Dak as the difference from last year to this year don't see big picture. Last year the team didn't have Zeke or Dak. Zeke still runs up against 8 man fronts and picks up yards. Murray was unable to do this in 2014. Look at the Arizona game that season.

So many people also discredit this defense. Collins and Brown have proven to be really good picks. Irving is starting to flourish under Rod.

The biggest difference after Zeke to me? Sean Lee. People forget 2014 without him and they also don't realize the stretch without him last year, his first year back from the injury.

There's a lot of moving parts. Dak is one of them but not as big of one as people like to twist.

All that being said, my fear is RG3 directly beneath him... RG3 had a great season and so did Morris(1600 yards if I remember correctly). I'm not convinced Dak is the guy who can put the team on his shoulders and throw us back into a game.

At this point in time, I think Dak is the guy who isn't going to lose us a game...but he's not the guy who's going to win us one either.