Dak Prescott is the only QB with more yards lost to drops than to missed throws

[RonnieT24]

Who decides what the "put the ball right where it is supposed to be" is? Is this like the fake "strike zone" in pro baseball? And what if it's wobbly? Everyone bashes Joe for too much velocity...does that count too?

I'm not saying Dak does or doesn't do that so calm down.

I'm just asking WHO...decides?

I don't know.. I get my numbers from pro-football-reference.com. They are not perfect but I have found them to be mostly accurate on most things statistical. I assume that if it's the same group of people watching the same film and they all come to a consensus about a play then that's legit. I think they are better than PFF because they don't try to guess stuff they have no way of knowing .. Like missed blocks, blown coverages, etc. We can all think we know it when we see it but without knowing a guy's assignment on a play there is no way we can determine with 100% certainty if he executed it or not. But if you have a ball hit you in the facemask or chest and you don't catch it I can say with 100% certainty that the ball was thrown where it was supposed to be and you dropped it. You say different?

 

[GINeric]

can't wait to see how this one is spun

There will be more spinning than a Break Dancing convention.....

 

[GINeric]

I try to stay out of Dak threads usually... Fun to read tho.

But one thing I've noticed is..

If the stats are good it's Dak, Dak, Dak.

If they are bad stats,, those same people go.. Team, Team, Team.

Well Dak was ranked top 3 in pretty much every quarterbacking category. The offense overall was ranked atleast top 5.

The defense was ranked bottom 2 at best in every defensive category.

What does that tell you the problem with our team was?

If our defense was ranked where our offense was, we'd have a 1st round bye right now as a number one seed in the playoffs.

 

[RonnieT24]

I'll just keep arguing against your points, while you continue to go this route



What good is a highly ranked offense if it doesn't show up in the playoffs? Well, Zeke showed up with 125 yards rushing. But Dak was pretty much absent in a big game until mid 4th quarter and by that time we were down 28-13. Then a couple of Late TDs made it look closer than it really was. An early Dak trend that persists to this day



I'm not sure how to respond to this. We're talking about the 2016 playoffs right? That was Rodgers, not Love. Or if you're talking about the game 2 years ago, you might want to pick a different one after Dak threw for 88 yards in the 1st half with 2 picks and spotted GB 14 1st half points in that game

Sorry for all these "hateful" facts, its just my nature I guess

You must live in an alternate universe dude.

The Cowboys tied that game with 4:08 left and then again with :35 left. They were also only down one score at the half and it only became 28-13 because the defense got dog walked on GB's first possession of the 2nd half. Then the teams traded nice drives ending in INTs before Dak's 2nd TD pass cut it to 28-20. And his 3rd TD pass tied it up once the defense seemed to have decided to show up after giving up TDs on 4 of the Packers' first 5 drives not counting the one with less than a minute in the first half. TDs on the first three opponent's possessions.. Which is still better than giving up 6 TDs on their first 6 possessions in 2023.

But... Dak...

 

[blueblood70]

You must live in an alternate universe dude.

The Cowboys tied that game with 4:08 left and then again with :35 left. They were also only down one score at the half and it only became 28-13 because the defense got dog walked on GB's first possession of the 2nd half. Then the teams traded nice drives ending in INTs before Dak's 2nd TD pass cut it to 28-20. And his 3rd TD pass tied it up once the defense seemed to have decided to show up after giving up TDs on 4 of the Packers' first 5 drives not counting the one with less than a minute in the first half. TDs on the first three opponent's possessions.. Which is still better than giving up 6 TDs on their first 6 possessions in 2023.

But... Dak...

 

[blueblood70]

You must live in an alternate universe dude.

The Cowboys tied that game with 4:08 left and then again with :35 left. They were also only down one score at the half and it only became 28-13 because the defense got dog walked on GB's first possession of the 2nd half. Then the teams traded nice drives ending in INTs before Dak's 2nd TD pass cut it to 28-20. And his 3rd TD pass tied it up once the defense seemed to have decided to show up after giving up TDs on 4 of the Packers' first 5 drives not counting the one with less than a minute in the first half. TDs on the first three opponent's possessions.. Which is still better than giving up 6 TDs on their first 6 possessions in 2023.

But... Dak...

Right let me add to this,

anybody who says that it was because of those mistakes early in the game with Prescott, 1st of all those two interceptions go back and look at them again,

one of them Brandon Cooks was interfered with twice, for the leverage, but at that point, he's just trying to give his guy a chance to make a play, because nobody was getting open in this game, the pass rush was getting there quick, and they were playing a heavy zone... That interception happened because of a no call Obviously defensive pass interference not once but twice...

As usual CD lamb and I'm not trying to knock him, but he didn't feel his route was getting him open coming across the field he goes rogue that ball was thrown because he was supposed to carry himself across the field and he stops and goes up field trying to go off script it gets pick six that's Prescott's fault?

It's like this last Lions game, Those balls were hit the guys in the hands they were pulled out they're called interceptions, they weren't we had a lot of that in 2022,

but let's get back to that playoff year...


This goes to your point,

The Lions were up big against the 49ERS pretty much the same at halftime, the gap they were getting beat down, they look like they had no chance but their defense and special teams, and coaching staff made the stops in the second half, and guess what the 49ers came back and won that game,

whereas our defense gave up three straight touchdowns to start the second half, and they're blaming the quarterback because OH they might have been tired or they gave up, Oh that's right the guy everybody loves now in Seattle said he was too tired to finish playing...

Lmao


Nobody really wants to see the wide picture perspective, and that is exactly what you're saying and even in a game when the mistakes are made early in the first half, very similar to how we came back against the eagles, and chielfs,

If you continue playing defense, and make some stops and make some plays, if the rest of the team starts contributing you can come back from those,

but you can't come back when your defense continues to give up big plays...

 

[GINeric]

Never seen a QB that needs so much defending and so many excuses.

Matthew Stafford.

He didn't win his first playoff game until his 12th season and has a record of 17-75 vs winning teams or something like that.

He's been defended with all KINDS of excuses until he went to an already built Rams Superbowl team in which he led the league in interceptions THAT year.

Stafford has definitely become better towards the latter years of his career, but he was showered with all kinds of excuses.

 

[GINeric]

Who are all these calling him "Super Elite?"

Come on.

Thats the same thing i was thinking when I seen that " everybody calling Dak SUPER ELITE" bull****. He can't pull up ONE post of ANYONE calling Dak elite.

Its amazing that some of these clowns hate Dak so much that they have to actually tell lies to prop up their narratives.

 

[GINeric]

If you call him top 3 to top 5....then that's about as elite as you can get.

So...you object to over rating him too. Cool!

Your indignation at my hyperbole is causing you to miss my point, which actually proves my point. Ironic.

This post makes zero sense. Yes Dak HAS been top 3 in every category this year, that doesn't make him elite.

Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and Nick Foles won Superbowls. That doesn't make them elite.

Josh Allen never went to a Superbowl and Joe Burrows never won a Superbowl. They're considered elite.

Obviously history has shown that being an elite quarterback guarantees you nothing, yet non elite quarterbacks are capable of winning the Superbowl.

So no.... a quarterback putting up top 3, top 5 production doesn't automatically make them elite.

 

[starfan1]

I don't know.. I get my numbers from pro-football-reference.com. They are not perfect but I have found them to be mostly accurate on most things statistical. I assume that if it's the same group of people watching the same film and they all come to a consensus about a play then that's legit. I think they are better than PFF because they don't try to guess stuff they have no way of knowing .. Like missed blocks, blown coverages, etc. We can all think we know it when we see it but without knowing a guy's assignment on a play there is no way we can determine with 100% certainty if he executed it or not. But if you have a ball hit you in the facemask or chest and you don't catch it I can say with 100% certainty that the ball was thrown where it was supposed to be and you dropped it. You say different?

Nah its the cowboys zone eye test thats the real benchmark. How else will narratives persist?

 

[dragon_mikal]

Every year there is a new stat that someone pulls out of their nether region.

Who cares about this nonsense?

 

[dragon_mikal]

And a defense that allowed over 500 points, finishing as one of the worst in nfl history, and we still have people on this forum blaming the QB.

Madness

The defense being terrible doesn’t excuse the offense from disappearing on multiple occasions. Dak doesn’t get a pass just because of poor defensive play.

 

[G2]

The defense being terrible doesn’t excuse the offense from disappearing on multiple occasions. Dak doesn’t get a pass just because of poor defensive play.

When it's every game, yes it does.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Are you dyslexic?

The graphic even puts the amount of games they played.... 139 Dak vs 138 Brees. Yes Brees didn't play his rookie year, but he's been injured less than Dak so overall they wind up having approximately the same amount of games played.

ok finally had the time to sit down and go over this. If you add up Brees games that he Started, then you have him with 9 full seasons ending with the 2010 year @ 137 games.
This doesnt include his rookie season where he didnt start any games and played for a small portion of only 1 game. That is a throw away stat and to count that as a "SEASON" is ridiculous.

Now to bring that 137 total up to 139, so you are using the same stats as Dak, you have to add 2 more games from the 2011 season.

Which gives him a total of: (Didnt compile the rest of the stats)

35,734 Yards
240 Touchdowns

This INCLUDES 3 games in his career where he started and had less than 10 attempts because he was pulled after 1-2 quarters. The last or close to the last game of the season. Where DaK only has 2 games in his career he was pulled at the end of the season in the last game. 2016 and 2025.

So if you give Brees credit for 1 more game to make a true apples to apples comparison although a different ERA:

36,104 Yards
243 Touchdowns



Long story short, stats arent that different but whomever made your graphic did some very specific cherry picking. With no regards to comparing that Brees started with a bad San Diego team and then moved to another team after 4 years. Where as Dak was spoon fed an Elite team and has been on the same team his entire career. We all know what would happen to Dak if he was traded to another team. He would be out of the league in 2 years.

 

[Yobwocs]

We all know what would happen to Dak if he was traded to another team. He would be out of the league in 2 years.

You can't prove this. Evidence would suggest that to be anything but the case. he's lasted 10 years. the longest tenured QB in the league, and one of the longest consistent starting QBs. He'd be successful on any team. what absurdity.

 

[morat1959]

don't forget feelings

Anyone who liked Morris Albert back in the day was considered a punk! Just sayin.

 

[nhcowboysfan]

ok finally had the time to sit down and go over this. If you add up Brees games that he Started, then you have him with 9 full seasons ending with the 2010 year @ 137 games.
This doesnt include his rookie season where he didnt start any games and played for a small portion of only 1 game. That is a throw away stat and to count that as a "SEASON" is ridiculous.

Now to bring that 137 total up to 139, so you are using the same stats as Dak, you have to add 2 more games from the 2011 season.

Which gives him a total of: (Didnt compile the rest of the stats)

35,734 Yards
240 Touchdowns

This INCLUDES 3 games in his career where he started and had less than 10 attempts because he was pulled after 1-2 quarters. The last or close to the last game of the season. Where DaK only has 2 games in his career he was pulled at the end of the season in the last game. 2016 and 2025.

So if you give Brees credit for 1 more game to make a true apples to apples comparison although a different ERA:

36,104 Yards
243 Touchdowns



Long story short, stats arent that different but whomever made your graphic did some very specific cherry picking. With no regards to comparing that Brees started with a bad San Diego team and then moved to another team after 4 years. Where as Dak was spoon fed an Elite team and has been on the same team his entire career. We all know what would happen to Dak if he was traded to another team. He would be out of the league in 2 years.

I vehemently disagree with your assertion that Dak would be out of the league in 2 years if on another team. I think he would be, at least. on a team's practice squad, beyond that.

 

[blueblood70]

You addressed literally nothing in my post. Stats don't always tell the entire story. But the stats of a defense across an entire season certainly give us a good idea of the quality of the defense. Otherwise, should we feel free to disregard the 2025 Cowboys defensive stats since defensive rankings "don't matter"??

YOU: "Brees is no better than Dak. The 09 Saints team won a Super Bowl because as a whole they were way better than Dallas across the board. The fact that the 2016 Cowboys lost to GB proves it"

ME: The 16 Cowboys had a defense ranked 20 spots higher than the 09 Saints, plus the league's leading rusher to help Dak out. How does that indicate a lesser team in total?

YOU: "Stats don't matter. Unless Dak has good stats. Then, and only then, do they matter"

You're predictable, I'll give you that.

Actually I don't know where I am in this debate i'm not going back and reading it but you're wrong Rankings don't usually tell the whole story the regular season is 16 or 17 games and you can throw those rankings off by beating up on the weak teams and then every time you come across a team with a really good offense they dog walk you that would happen with Dan Quinn that is what happened with Rod Marinelli and all these other D CS we've had which by the way gave Prescott some of his worst cowboys defense has ever assembled three of them are in his tenure alone.

But yes during the regular season both offense defense and special teams over a long season you can have good rankings but then when the games Against the better teams pop up they lose I don't care how Dan Quinn's had highly ranked teams in the regular season because during the regular season when he met better teams they got beat up pretty bad so yeah the rankings are skewed..

So like when we talk about the Philadelphia Eagles one year they went to the Super Bowl they had a defense that wasn't ranked real high but people forget that for 10 or 12 games of that season when they were healthy they had a great defense in the last four or five games they didn't play well but they were able to get in and then they regrouped and then in the playoffs they had that good defense again but just because the ranking said it wasn't that good it also didn't tell the story..

Goes both ways Like you could be highly ranked but not be so good or you can end up being middle of the pack or lowly ranked but you're actually were better than what that ranking said because you had a area of the season in which you didn't play well usually because of injuries..

It is a fact they have not had a championship defense for Romo or Prescott and at times they've had some of the worst defenses on the planet And like I said Prescott has three of them I don't care what they were ranked I just looking at the scoring and whether they're getting sacks and turnovers Those create the rankings but then in crunch time into big games against the better teams they were not getting turnovers they were not getting sacks they were not helping at all if anything they were giving up the big player dropping the interceptions..

Same way with the offense not Prescott there was absolutely no run game so your best players during the regular season your best run game your offensive line played well then they get into the playoffs they have 11 penalties they can't run the football the tackles can't block long enough The receivers aren't getting open the receivers are dropping passes this team finds a way to meltdown despite their rankings the rankings are a mirage..

So either way I don't know what side of argument you are but I don't go by the rankings I go with me I go by my eyes It's been very rare even in the games that were lower scoring against the 49ers in the playoffs there were there wasn't a run game the offensive line wasn't moving off the line of scrimmage they were getting pushed back there wasn't time to throw nobody was open on defense they just didn't make enough plays especially in the first half I mean in one game it was a 6 point game but the time of possession was heavily favored to the 49ers they couldn't get anything going on offense but the defense when they had a chance they were not making plays like they they couldn't stop the run in the first half they gave up 10 yards per carry just because they and didn't fully break it didn't make them good they were not as good as Their ranking said they were In the regular season...


Let's see how you don't get that literally in the playoffs you meaning the better teams or at least your equals and when you're not getting any turnovers you're not getting sacks when you can't stop the run even in a low scoring game you're letting them eat the clock you're taking away possessions from your offense and then your offense your offensive line's not playing well either and it ruins the whole offense no run game no time to throw I mean literally has been the definition of many of these Cowboys teams Even when their rankings were higher,

against better teams they were not... So the truth was somewhere in the middle they may have been ranked in the top ten on defense but they were really more like a eighteenth rank defense when they met better teams or worse...

Came with the offensive line in the run game it's just seemed to disappear they made all their mistakes in the bigger games against the better talent that why those rankings are spread out over 17 games but they don't tell the whole story...

 

[BoysForLife]

You must live in an alternate universe dude.

The Cowboys tied that game with 4:08 left and then again with :35 left. They were also only down one score at the half and it only became 28-13 because the defense got dog walked on GB's first possession of the 2nd half. Then the teams traded nice drives ending in INTs before Dak's 2nd TD pass cut it to 28-20. And his 3rd TD pass tied it up once the defense seemed to have decided to show up after giving up TDs on 4 of the Packers' first 5 drives not counting the one with less than a minute in the first half. TDs on the first three opponent's possessions.. Which is still better than giving up 6 TDs on their first 6 possessions in 2023.

But... Dak...

By your own account here, Our offense accounted for 13 points until midway through the 4th quarter in that 2016 playoff game. And yet, to hear you tell it, Dak the offense are completely off the hook for that loss. it was all the defense.

Alternate universe? LOL.

Like I said--Dak has a habit in key games of going MIA until it's already basically decided. This has plagued him for a decade.

And LOL at the bold regarding the 2023 game---
#1, it's totally false, GB's second drive (we were only down 7-0 at that point) ended up being 6 plays and punt. Check the drive charts if you don't believe me. And what was Dak's response after our defense forced a punt down 7-0? He throws an immediate INT inside our 20, leading to a GB TD And a 14-0 deficit.

And how did our offense respond once down 14-0? A punt and a pick 6 on our next 2 drives. 28-0 GB. Game over.

But, yeah..... everyone but Dak......

 

[GINeric]

The defense being terrible doesn’t excuse the offense from disappearing on multiple occasions. Dak doesn’t get a pass just because of poor defensive play.

There's a reason why teams don't succeed with a horrible defense or a horrible offense. This is the first season I've watched the NFL and a quarterback of one of the top 3 offenses in football get blamed for the shortcomings of a league worst ranked defense.

As a matter of fact, what other quarterback currently playing top 3 in his position, with a top 3 offense got blamed for their team having the worst defense in the NFL?

Please provide me with some names/examples, unless Dak is the first in history.

If your offense is ranked at LEAST top 3 all season and your defense is ranked last... it really doesn't take an rocket scientist to explain what the problem is.

All we have to do is use common sense. I know thats asking alot from some around here.