Dak Prescott is the only QB with more yards lost to drops than to missed throws

[GINeric]

By your own account here, Our offense accounted for 13 points until midway through the 4th quarter in that 2016 playoff game. And yet, to hear you tell it, Dak the offense are completely off the hook for that loss. it was all the defense.

Alternate universe? LOL.

Like I said--Dak has a habit in key games of going MIA until it's already basically decided. This has plagued him for a decade.

And LOL at the bold regarding the 2023 game---
#1, it's totally false, GB's second drive (we were only down 7-0 at that point) ended up being 6 plays and punt. Check the drive charts if you don't believe me. And what was Dak's response after our defense forced a punt down 7-0? He throws an immediate INT inside our 20, leading to a GB TD And a 14-0 deficit.

And how did our offense respond once down 14-0? A punt and a pick 6 on our next 2 drives. 28-0 GB. Game over.

But, yeah..... everyone but Dak......

Mahomes is arguably the best quarterback in NFL history. His defense was better than ours, so how in the world did he have a worst record than a non elite quarterback like Dak this season?

Thats mind boggling.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't know.. I get my numbers from pro-football-reference.com. They are not perfect but I have found them to be mostly accurate on most things statistical. I assume that if it's the same group of people watching the same film and they all come to a consensus about a play then that's legit. I think they are better than PFF because they don't try to guess stuff they have no way of knowing .. Like missed blocks, blown coverages, etc. We can all think we know it when we see it but without knowing a guy's assignment on a play there is no way we can determine with 100% certainty if he executed it or not. But if you have a ball hit you in the facemask or chest and you don't catch it I can say with 100% certainty that the ball was thrown where it was supposed to be and you dropped it. You say different?

If the ball hits you in the face....sure!

But if the use something like catch radius...or dont account for wobbly ball....then no.

 

[Smith22]

If your offense is ranked at LEAST top 3 all season and your defense is ranked last... it really doesn't take an rocket scientist to explain what the problem is.

All we have to do is use common sense. I know thats asking alot from some around here.

Bingo.

You can throw in a down year from special teams coverage and our return game.

 

[DallasInDC]

I try to stay out of Dak threads usually... Fun to read tho.

But one thing I've noticed is..

If the stats are good it's Dak, Dak, Dak.

If they are bad stats,, those same people go.. Team, Team, Team.

Except for the ones who post the bad stats or respond to the good stats threads that are polar opposite of what you just said.

There is no denying that there is an irrational and unhealthy obsession on both sides.

 

[RonnieT24]

If the ball hits you in the face....sure!

But if the use something like catch radius...or dont account for wobbly ball....then no.

I assume some wobbly balls would end up in the "bad throw" category. But not if the ball still finds its way into your bread basket. Every throw can't be a tight spiral. QBs are dealing with too much crap a lot of the time to make every throw a dart. So some throws are going to be hurried or come out his hand awkward. If it makes it to the receiver's body then I don't care. Catch the damn thing.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I assume some wobbly balls would end up in the "bad throw" category. But not if the ball still finds its way into your bread basket. Every throw can't be a tight spiral. QBs are dealing with too much crap a lot of the time to make every throw a dart. So some throws are going to be hurried or come out his hand awkward. If it makes it to the receiver's body then I don't care. Catch the damn thing.

Nope...still not buying it Ron. Their criteria is not as firm as you are trying to make it. It's not solid stat.

 

[RonnieT24]

Nope...still not buying it Ron. Their criteria is not as firm as you are trying to make it. It's not solid stat.

Why not? Because it doesn't fit the "inaccurate" narrative? If you have another data source then by all means present it. If you're just going to dismiss any data that doesn't suit whatever narrative you choose to believe .. well.. not much else to discuss is there.

 

[Beastsfromthenfceast]

Dak has a habit of throwing passes that are to high and barely catchable .

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why not? Because it doesn't fit the "inaccurate" narrative? If you have another data source then by all means present it. If you're just going to dismiss any data that doesn't suit whatever narrative you choose to believe .. well.. not much else to discuss is there.

I dont chise to dusmis it. You are showing your own bias and agenda by making up a point i never made.

Im saying this stat is fine....but its not a true scientific number.


Let me give you one example....maybe that will help. Some say one Milton flaw is velocity. If true, then he really challenges the receiver. If that hits your hands, or face even....is that always on the receiver? Some would say not catchable.

Maybe you agree with this, maybe not. But hope you get the idea.


Caught...not caught...are solid stats. "Catchable"? Judgement call.

 

[RonnieT24]

I dont chise to dusmis it. You are showing your own bias and agenda by making up a point i never made.

Im saying this stat is fine....but its not a true scientific number.


Let me give you one example....maybe that will help. Some say one Milton flaw is velocity. If true, then he really challenges the receiver. If that hits your hands, or face even....is that always on the receiver? Some would say not catchable.

Maybe you agree with this, maybe not. But hope you get the idea.


Caught...not caught...are solid stats. "Catchable"? Judgement call.

The data does not even get into caught or not caught except to track drops. Yes drops is a subjective stat but if there is a consensus among the guys doing the judging that a ball should have been caught then I'm okay with it as long as the criteria is applied consistently. Also note the difference between a bad throw and an off target throw. A throw can be absolutely on target but still be a bad throw if a defender is standing there waiting for it. Likewise a good throw can end up being incomplete if the defender makes a good play on it.

As for the Milton thing? If you're being paid millions of dollars to catch the ball then catch the damn ball. I would also point out that inaccuracy is a bigger problem for Milton than velocity. Dak on the other hand has never been accused of having a howitzer arm in fact he has always been said to throw a very catchable ball (except to CeeDee when playing the Eagles apparently) which is probably why he ranks somewhere in the top 5-10 all time in completion percentage.

The only time I have disagreed with the advanced stats was when they would credit Zeke with 1 broken tackle in games where I watched break 4-5 tackles on one run with my own eyes. I still have not figured out what that was all about. But as we can all agree, no site is perfect.. It's all just stuff to talk about. Nothing more.. nothing less.

 

[StarLord]

Does this sort of thing sustain some people? Like in light of some really close playoff games with well structured teams. Who cares?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The data does not even get into caught or not caught except to track drops. Yes drops is a subjective stat but if there is a consensus among the guys doing the judging that a ball should have been caught then I'm okay with it as long as the criteria is applied consistently. Also note the difference between a bad throw and an off target throw. A throw can be absolutely on target but still be a bad throw if a defender is standing there waiting for it. Likewise a good throw can end up being incomplete if the defender makes a good play on it.

As for the Milton thing? If you're being paid millions of dollars to catch the ball then catch the damn ball. I would also point out that inaccuracy is a bigger problem for Milton than velocity. Dak on the other hand has never been accused of having a howitzer arm in fact he has always been said to throw a very catchable ball (except to CeeDee when playing the Eagles apparently) which is probably why he ranks somewhere in the top 5-10 all time in completion percentage.

The only time I have disagreed with the advanced stats was when they would credit Zeke with 1 broken tackle in games where I watched break 4-5 tackles on one run with my own eyes. I still have not figured out what that was all about. But as we can all agree, no site is perfect.. It's all just stuff to talk about. Nothing more.. nothing less.

Sure thing. Although you cite a flaw...it's a slight disagreement on a sub-standard stat. No biggie!

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Does this sort of thing sustain some people? Like in light of some really close playoff games with well structured teams. Who cares?

It's their superbowl

 

[erod]

Are you counting the dropped pick sixes?

Luckiest quarterback of all time in that stat.

 

[RonnieT24]

Does this sort of thing sustain some people? Like in light of some really close playoff games with well structured teams. Who cares?

Only the people who post in the thread may be construed as "caring."

 

[StarLord]

Only the people who post in the thread may be construed as "caring."

Clever heh

 

[Cmac]

I try to stay out of Dak threads usually... Fun to read tho.

But one thing I've noticed is..

If the stats are good it's Dak, Dak, Dak.

If they are bad stats,, those same people go.. Team, Team, Team.

No offense and with all due respect.....some of us simply use the eye test and often wonder why the other team's punter is over there laughing with our cheerleaders, eating popcorn, and giggling with his teammate, the kicker.