Dak - The guys are pissed off right now

[dupree89]

the QB has changed several times during the "With all thats wrong with this entire organization" you want change, you're gonna need to aim higher than the QB/Coach and the waterboy for that matter...good luck

Frog
do you think there should ever be a moment where a cowboys fan tries to insinuate that Mahomes and Prescott are even in the same world?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Frog
do you think there should ever be a moment where a cowboys fan tries to insinuate that Mahomes and Prescott are even in the same world?

no, Mahomes has proven to be one of the best to me, i watched him in college and didnt really see the hype but in the NFL he has been outstanding... i will also say I dont think Mahomes could drag a Jerry GM'd team anywhere though. The second worst thing you can do to a franchise is have a bad GM..THE WORST thing you can do is keep that GM for 30 years.. i think we have proved that point as we are now the Jets, Browns... ect...

 

[Chasing6]

bro I like your posts because you know football. But...what is your hangup with Mahomes? he has been to 6 or 7 straight AFC championship games, and 5 super bowls. Winning 3. If Dak accomplishes even half that, I doubt anyone will have a bad word to say.
Mahomes doesnt have to win another game in his life and he is a first ballot HOFer. What gives?

It is comparison of idiocy from half this board.

They think Mahomes is a God and every loss is Dak's fault.

Well we pretty much have the same record.

Dak beat Mahomes.

Mahomes has a significantly better defense.

They hate the Dak/Mahomes stat comparisons, and claim all of Dak's is in garbage time.

Now you will see all of the excuses for Mahomes come out.

Football is an obvious team sport, not a QB carries the team sport - see Mahomes this year.

Mahomes has been under massive duress this year. Want to also guess who has been in the same position? One will get an excuse and one will not.

 

[CowboyFrog]

It is comparison of idiocy from half this board.

They think Mahomes is a God and every loss is Dak's fault.

Well we pretty much have the same record.

Dak beat Mahomes.

Mahomes has a significantly better defense.

They hate the Dak/Mahomes stat comparisons, and claim all of Dak's is in garbage time.

Now you will see all of the excuses for Mahomes come out.

Football is an obvious team sport, not a QB carries the team sport - see Mahomes this year.

Mahomes has been under massive duress this year. Want to also guess who has been in the same position? One will get an excuse and one will not.

one of the biggest sports myths ever is an NFL QB can "Lift" his team...when i have never seen an elite QB take a bad team to anything... i have however seen great teams take sus QB's to a trophy...

 

[BoysForLife]

Is it simply the fact that he wears the star? It’s incomprehensible to me. Maybe they are kin to Dak? Die hard MS St fans? Jerry plants on this board? Make it make sense!

It's a desperate need to be right. I'm truly not trying to re-start the old Romo/Dak feud and I Hope this doesn't end up doing that. But if you want to deal in reality--here's the reality:

Most of the folks you are referring to here, are the same folks who hated Romo's guts. Your AC and Art Clink types, and so forth. The same guys that still regularly interject #9 into any and every discussion about current Cowboys events every chance they get.

When Dak came along and we had that "magical" 2016 season (where Zeke and the O line did all the lifting but Dak got most of the credit), they were convinced they had found their Messiah, and 10 years later they are still desperate to be proven prophetic.

It's really no more complicated than that. If Dak somehow, someway justifies their blind allegiance, they get to say "We were right" in the great debate of this era of Cowboys football. And they refuse to let go of hope that this is going to happen. They will defend him all the way to the grave, hoping against hope that he gives them the chance to tell everyone "I TOLD YOU SO"

Based on this alone--any critique or shade thrown Dak's way must be dealt with in the severest possible fashion, so as to tamp it down.
Nothing is his fault, everyone else is constantly letting him down, and someday you'll know how right they were and how awesome #4 is.

Petty and crazy thought process, but I promise you that's it. Really pay attention to their posts and this will become clear over time.

 

[Chasing6]

one of the biggest sports myths ever is an NFL QB can "Lift" his team...when i have never seen an elite QB take a bad team to anything... i have however seen great teams take sus QB's to a trophy...

100% correct. It is the complete opposite of what the average fan thinks.

 

[CowboyFrog]

It's a desperate need to be right. I'm truly not trying to re-start the old Romo/Dak feud and I Hope this doesn't end up doing that. But if you want to deal in reality--here's the reality:

Most of the folks you are referring to here, are the same folks who hated Romo's guts. Your AC and Art Clink types, and so forth. The same guys that still regularly interject #9 into any and every discussion about current Cowboys events every chance they get.

When Dak came along and we had that "magical" 2016 season (where Zeke and the O line did all the lifting but Dak got most of the credit), they were convinced they had found their Messiah, and 10 years later they are still desperate to be proven prophetic.

It's really no more complicated than that. If Dak somehow, someway justifies their blind allegiance, they get to say "We were right" in the great debate of this era of Cowboys football. And they refuse to let go of hope that this is going to happen. They will defend him all the way to the grave, hoping against hope that he gives them the chance to tell everyone "I TOLD YOU SO"

Based on this alone--any critique or shade thrown Dak's way must be dealt with in the severest possible fashion, so as to tamp it down.
Nothing is his fault, everyone else is constantly letting him down, and someday you'll know how right they were and how awesome #4 is.

Petty and crazy thought process, but I promise you that's it. Really pay attention to their posts and this will become clear over time.

how are you diferent from the AC's and Art clink of the forum? You mean they have the opposite opinion of yours?

When Dak came along and we had that "magical" 2016 season (where Zeke and the O line did all the lifting but Dak got most of the credit)

your whole rant loses any good faith when you make those comments... Zeke was amazing as a rookie, the Oline was outstanding yet Dak who literally put up one of the best season of any NFL rookie QB...doesnt deserve credit for any of it? Romo was really good but played for a very bad GM, Dak also has played really good yet he played for the same bad GM.. they can both be true...

 

[BoysForLife]

When Dak came along and we had that "magical" 2016 season (where Zeke and the O line did all the lifting but Dak got most of the credit)

your whole rant loses any good faith when you make those comments... Zeke was amazing as a rookie, the Oline was outstanding yet Dak who literally put up one of the best season of any NFL rookie QB...doesnt deserve credit for any of it?

I explicitly said Zeke and the O line did all the heavy lifting. I stand by that statement. I never said Dak didnt deserve any credit. I said he got a lot of credit he didn't necessarily deserve

Which brings me to Another trait of the people I described:

Ascribing statements and opinions to their opponents that were never stated.

 

[acr731]

It is comparison of idiocy from half this board.

They think Mahomes is a God and every loss is Dak's fault.

Well we pretty much have the same record.

Dak beat Mahomes.

Mahomes has a significantly better defense.

They hate the Dak/Mahomes stat comparisons, and claim all of Dak's is in garbage time.

Now you will see all of the excuses for Mahomes come out.

Football is an obvious team sport, not a QB carries the team sport - see Mahomes this year.

Mahomes has been under massive duress this year. Want to also guess who has been in the same position? One will get an excuse and one will not.

Not a single person has said it was Dak's fault they lost to the Lions..... nice try, though

 

[erod]

How about don't lose to Arizona, which has won one game in their last 11 games played.

That was against you, nimrod.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I explicitly said Zeke and the O line did all the heavy lifting. I stand by that statement. I never said Dak didnt deserve any credit. I said he got a lot of credit he didn't necessarily deserve

Which brings me to Another trait of the people I described:

Ascribing statements and opinions to their opponents that were never stated.

So why did they lose to GB in 2016 in your opinion? I;m guessing its not on the RB and Oline that carried the team... its the QB who in your own opinion shouldnt be doing any heavy lifting...

 

[Pipelayer72]

So now they're pissed? Talk about closing the barn door after the horses ran out.

 

[BoysForLife]

So why did they lose to GB in 2016 in your opinion? I;m guessing its not on the RB and Oline that carried the team... its the QB who in your own opinion shouldnt be doing any heavy lifting...

Again, ascribing opinions or statements to me that I never said

If you're going to win a Super Bowl, you expect that your QB will do some heavy lifting

Unless you're the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens

But under normal circumstances your QB has to be "the guy" to get to that threshold

Dak isn't "the guy" now.
And he sure as heck wasn't as a rookie

 

[Chasing6]

I explicitly said Zeke and the O line did all the heavy lifting. I stand by that statement. I never said Dak didnt deserve any credit. I said he got a lot of credit he didn't necessarily deserve

Which brings me to Another trait of the people I described:

Ascribing statements and opinions to their opponents that were never stated.

The idea that QB's carry their team is a fallacy.

 

[BoysForLife]

The idea that QB's carry their team is a fallacy.

Is your back ok? Constantly moving goalposts around could cause undue strain.....

 

[nobody]

We scored 40. But hey before it used to be the offense doesn't score enough... now it's about first quarter. Defense gave up 44 points. That's where story starts and ends. But you are b!tch8ng why we didn't score 45. Should have scored 45....dont look at the defense. Just focus on first quarter.

Geez people

That's an overly simplistic view. Yes, the defense lost the game. However, no side of the ball exists in a vacuum. Time of possession in the first and second quarter is important, as is scoring. Exhaust a defense in the first half and it magically doesn't come out rested in the second. Sometimes the offense does control TOP but doesn't score or turns the ball over. The other team scores multiple times as a result of turnovers. The score runs up and the offense has to play catch up. Whenever you play ball where you're constantly having to play catch up instead of controlling the score, most times you'll lose. The Cowboys excel at this kind of football, losing when falling behind by multiple scores. This season, they're a little better, but still do it and a lot of it boils down to a failure to score and keep up in the first and second quarter. Some of that blame is on Dak. That being said, the defense is the primary cause of this loss. The loss was caused by a multitude of factors and it's simplistic to just say it was all the defense.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Mahomes without a great team around him this year is 6-7.

The point is NOT comparing Dak to Mahomes. The point is why do we hold Dak to a higher standard than a generational quarterback? If Mahomes can't do it, why do fans blame Dak for not doing it?

If Mahomes cannot win with a poor team around him, why do people expect Dak to prop up a team hindered by one of the worst defenses in franchise history? The Cowboys lost games this year scoring 27 and 30 points and tied one scoring 40. That's the difference between being 6-6-1 and being 9-4 instead.

Dak is being paid all kinds of money and he needs to elevate the team around him! Well the Cowboys have the number one offense in football. He can't play defense. He needs to be perfect every single week to win and no QB can. So to single him out when this team has more things wrong with it than a dumb kid's math paper is lazy, simple minded, and naive.

 

[nate dizzle]

Not a single person has said it was Dak's fault they lost to the Lions..... nice try, though

Stating he was part of the problem = all Daks fault

 

[nate dizzle]

The idea that QB's carry their team is a fallacy.

He didn't state that, he stated that Elliot and the O-line did the heavy lifting. Which they did.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's an overly simplistic view. Yes, the defense lost the game. However, no side of the ball exists in a vacuum. Time of possession in the first and second quarter is important, as is scoring. Exhaust a defense in the first half and it magically doesn't come out rested in the second. Sometimes the offense does control TOP but doesn't score or turns the ball over. The other team scores multiple times as a result of turnovers. The score runs up and the offense has to play catch up. Whenever you play ball where you're constantly having to play catch up instead of controlling the score, most times you'll lose. The Cowboys excel at this kind of football, losing when falling behind by multiple scores. This season, they're a little better, but still do it and a lot of it boils down to a failure to score and keep up in the first and second quarter. Some of that blame is on Dak. That being said, the defense is the primary cause of this loss. The loss was caused by a multitude of factors and it's simplistic to just say it was all the defense.

I won't disagree. the problem is that the cowboys dominated TOP in the first half. Detroit had the ball for about 12 minutes, vs. cowboys 18. so shouldn't detroit's defense be more tired? shouldn't they be exhausted? so yeah, they didn't come out magically rested. the problem was our offense scored field goals and they scored TDs and the fumble didn't help and gave a short field. the fact is the defense had no answer for detroit. they moved the ball at will and scored almost at will. we had three turnovers. and brain farts on the OL at crucial times when the tackles literally didn't block, touch or impede the pass rusher.

so you spun, and spun and spun. and tried to make it about scoring. we gave up 44 points. there is no spin. its that simple. is your complaint is we didn't score 45.? we should have scored 45? and Dak is to blame that we didn't score 45?

btw, lets not even talk about Pickens. I get why Pitt wanted him gone. his performance and effort were childish. pathetic.