Dak to Butler

[Vintage]

Go find it. I ******* hate everyone on this board and I was ASKED to come over here.

Then, why do you post here if you hate everyone here?

Also, why does it/should it matter that you were asked to come over here? Did you get a cookie? If so, I am a sucker for cookies....

 

[Vintage]

It would be very short. Plus in this offense Beasley is the #2 receiving option. The so called #2 WR spot in this offense is the 4th or 5th option. I'd like a list of #4 receiving options who even get targeted 6 times a game.

Didn't you see his response? Go find it.

LOL

 

[Myboys]

Look, I just want his red zone passer rating to go up. I don't care about efficiency or turnovers or wins or what have you. I don't see how the team can win games with his RZ passer rating only 10 points higher than average. Really hampering the team's ability to put up points and win games, IMO.

13-2

 

[joseephuss]

Look, I just want his red zone passer rating to go up. I don't care about efficiency or turnovers or wins or what have you. I don't see how the team can win games with his RZ passer rating only 10 points higher than average. Really hampering the team's ability to put up points and win games, IMO.

You don't care about wins. Isn't that the whole point?

You don't care about efficiency or turnovers, but passer rating(whether total or in the redzone) is based on both efficiency and turnovers.

Does RZ passer rating have that big of a factor? I look at the list below and most of the teams in the top half of the rankings for best RZ passer rating aren't even in the playoffs.

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-rating-in-red-zone/2016/

And Dallas isn't bad at RZ passer rating. They just aren't the best.

 

[percyhoward]

Look, I just want his red zone passer rating to go up. I don't care about efficiency or turnovers or wins or what have you. I don't see how the team can win games with his RZ passer rating only 10 points higher than average. Really hampering the team's ability to put up points and win games, IMO.

Prescott has a 105.5 passer rating in the red zone this year. Headed into the 2014 playoffs, Romo had a 99.1 rating in the red zone.

 

[Frozen700]

I haven't seen anything that shows Butler is a more polished receiver. I think both guys are pretty equal or Williams has a slight edge.

Williams can't even extend, or reach out for a catch. Which is why you see Butler getting more burn or what seems to be more burn.

They are trusting him on throws that they know Williams won't make.

 

[RamziD]

I'll take Butler out there over TWill any day.

TWill has done well for us this year. I'd still let him walk and draft Josh Reynolds in the 2nd or 3rd

 

[Blackspider214]

I wish TWill and Butler were more consistent. Same as Dez at times. If they were, along with Witten and Cole, we would be unstoppable on offense with Dak, Zeke and this OL to go along with them.

 

[Frozen700]

He plays on a dominant running team, that has 3 other mouths to feed before you get to him. You'll miss him when he's gone

The same reason James Harden didn't bust out until he left OKC.. Other mouths to feed w only so few scraps to go around.

Beautiful pitch and catch at 6:10:

Aikman to Irvin like strike at 2:30:

Three of his best throws to Williams.

beautiful strike at :27:

Harden before even leaving OKC showed how valuable he was.

Even in games where Romo had to throw a bunch, Williams has never showed dominance. He's made a couple plays here and there.

LR was better than him, and so was Crayton, and Miles. Williams is a one trick pony. Big play or bust.

He will never produce big plays, while beating his man consistently on intermediate or short routes catching first downs ECT.

You can say we are run first team all you want, with this guy, or that guy first to feed, but how many games has Romo and the team had to abondon the run? Where we had to pass consistently, and when Romo couldn't find a guy and had to eat the sack or dump it down? We all know damn well Williams wasnt doubled teamed so why couldn't Romo find him? I guess Romo was just trash.

What about Dak? He's the issue as well when Williams goes a game with 0 catches. He's had games where he had to pass more than we run. I guess everyone is at fault when this guy just doesn't produce.

I guess they all say " let's feed Dez and Written or Beasley and say **** the wide open Williams"

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'll take Butler out there over TWill any day.

I don't know why.......Williams has been far more reliable than Butler has been.

 

[JBell]

Every time I see Butler make a catch, I think he's Roy Williams (WR), both in his movements as well as the results. He will make a difficult catch, then drop an easy catch.

This is actually a really good comparison. I see a lot of Roy in his game. /slowclap

 

[Reality]

This is actually a really good comparison. I see a lot of Roy in his game. /slowclap

I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that I really think they are very similar.

 

[mattjames2010]

Harden before even leaving OKC showed how valuable he was.

Even in games where Romo had to throw a bunch, Williams has never showed dominance. He's made a couple plays here and there.

LR was better than him, and so was Crayton, and Miles. Williams is a one trick pony. Big play or bust.

He will never produce big plays, while beating his man consistently on intermediate or short routes catching first downs ECT.

You can say we are run first team all you want, with this guy, or that guy first to feed, but how many games has Romo and the team had to abondon the run? Where we had to pass consistently, and when Romo couldn't find a guy and had to eat the sack or dump it down? We all know damn well Williams wasnt doubled teamed so why couldn't Romo find him? I guess Romo was just trash.

What about Dak? He's the issue as well when Williams goes a game with 0 catches. He's had games where he had to pass more than we run. I guess everyone is at fault when this guy just doesn't produce.

I guess they all say " let's feed Dez and Written or Beasley and say **** the wide open Williams"

Williams hasn't gone a game with 0 catches this year. He's had games with 1, but so has Dez.

The "run first" is an accurate argument. I mean, I simply don't understand why you're attempting to downplay this...

Which games did Dak throw far more than we ran? We abandoned the run a bit against New York, Williams had 4 catches, over 70 yards and a TD. We have been quite balanced all year long.

Without Dez, Williams was averaging about 4 catches a game and 70 yards and 15 YPC. That's not bad numbers for a #2 filling in for a #1. As for the "Why couldn't Romo find Williams?" - Because the second half of 2014 is when Dez was going off on teams and Beasley also started to come into his own as well? What happened when Dez was taken out of games in 2014? This is what happened

4 catches, 130 yards, 3 TDs, with an average of 30 YPC

When Bryant and Witten are getting first looks, someone's targets and catches are going to drop. It will either impact Beasley or Williams. Also, if you have actually watched some all-22, you'd know Dak is missing Williams open down the field (Along with Bryant and even Beasley at times) - this isn't just some excuse, it's simple fact.

Williams isn't a #1 and he wasn't drafted as that. He was drafted as a #2 to play alongside Dez. Williams is a competent #2 in this league while Butler is on the level of a Sam Hurd. You want to complain about a #2? Go watch Marvin Jones disappearing for the Lions with Stafford slinging the ball around 40+ times a game and then come back and talk about Williams disappearing with Dak throwing a little above 30+ or a little less than 30 times a game.

 

[Frozen700]

Williams hasn't gone a game with 0 catches this year. He's had games with 1, but so has Dez.

The "run first" is an accurate argument. I mean, I simply don't understand why you're attempting to downplay this...

Which games did Dak throw far more than we ran? We abandoned the run a bit against New York, Williams had 4 catches, over 70 yards and a TD. We have been quite balanced all year long.

Without Dez, Williams was averaging about 4 catches a game and 70 yards and 15 YPC. That's not bad numbers for a #2 filling in for a #1. As for the "Why couldn't Romo find Williams?" - Because the second half of 2014 is when Dez was going off on teams and Beasley also started to come into his own as well? What happened when Dez was taken out of games in 2014? This is what happened

4 catches, 130 yards, 3 TDs, with an average of 30 YPC

When Bryant and Witten are getting first looks, someone's targets and catches are going to drop. It will either impact Beasley or Williams. Also, if you have actually watched some all-22, you'd know Dak is missing Williams open down the field (Along with Bryant and even Beasley at times) - this isn't just some excuse, it's simple fact.

Williams isn't a #1 and he wasn't drafted as that. He was drafted as a #2 to play alongside Dez. Williams is a competent #2 in this league while Butler is on the level of a Sam Hurd. You want to complain about a #2? Go watch Marvin Jones disappearing for the Lions with Stafford slinging the ball around 40+ times a game and then come back and talk about Williams disappearing with Dak throwing a little above 30+ or a little less than 30 times a game.

Bro I understand you want to defend anything cowboys and sure, the year we are having you probably feel the need to.

But don't try to sell/feed me some ******** about Williams being a good number 2. You all can only get away with ******** like this on the zone.

Go to an all sports forum, start a thread letting the world know how good Williams is, come back and tag it so we can all see the results. Any one of us would get laughed off the forum.

 

[Bullflop]

Like most WRs, Williams and Butler both have their limitations but are valuable assets to this team. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys took another WR in the draft with the necessary talent to provide somewhat better consistency than they do. Perhaps acquiring a TE to replace Witten when he retires wouldn't be such a bad idea, either. Of course, those things will more than likely take a back seat to acquiring defensive help, though. I can't wait to see what next year has in store for this team, even though this year is exceptional enough in it's own right.

 

[joseephuss]

Bro I understand you want to defend anything cowboys and sure, the year we are having you probably feel the need to.

But don't try to sell/feed me some bull**** about Williams being a good number 2. You all can only get away with bull**** like this on the zone.

Go to an all sports forum, start a thread letting the world know how good Williams is, come back and tag it so we can all see the results. Any one of us would get laughed off the forum.

BS is saying Butler is clearly better. Had Butler been getting more targets this season you would be complaining about him needing to be replaced.

I'm not even sure what all the complaining is about. Dallas only ranks 30th in pass attempts, so there aren't that many opportunities to begin with. They are 25th in passes completed, so they are doing well with the limited opportunities they are getting.

We all know Williams isn't perfect, but there has been nothing to show that Butler is any better. Not when he only catches 50% of the passes thrown his way while Williams catches 72%. Any improvement in this position will have to come in the off season.

 

[mattjames2010]

Bro I understand you want to defend anything cowboys and sure, the year we are having you probably feel the need to.

But don't try to sell/feed me some bull**** about Williams being a good number 2. You all can only get away with bull**** like this on the zone.

Go to an all sports forum, start a thread letting the world know how good Williams is, come back and tag it so we can all see the results. Any one of us would get laughed off the forum.

This was a non-argument. Nice try. And I really don't care what other sports forums say, there are a good many here who watch Cowboys games on a weekly basis and still can't evaluate this team. Why the hell do you think some other sports forum can do it?

As for your "defend anything Cowboys" - Have you seen my posts lately? Far from it. LOL

 

[Risen Star]

If we miss Terrance Williams when he's gone then the Cowboys did a terrible job of addressing his replacement.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Are we really debating Butler and Williams? lol

 

[Frozen700]

If we miss Terrance Williams when he's gone then the Cowboys did a terrible job of addressing his replacement.

Exactly