Dallas cannot win the division in a tie

[vicjagger]

Even if Dallas & New York remain tied after the 2nd tiebreaker (division record), the 3rd t/b is record in common games. The Giiants have an advantage that cannot be lost.

If 2 teams have the same record, the team with the most common game wins must also have the most non-common game losses. In non-common games, NY is 0-2 (Seattle & Chicago), while Dallas is 1-0 (Arizona), with Detroit to play.

Dallas must win the division outright.

 

[Fan Since 77]

A further explanation is needed for me.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Even if Dallas & New York remain tied after the 2nd tiebreaker (division record), the 3rd t/b is record in common games. The Giiants have an advantage that cannot be lost.

If 2 teams have the same record, the team with the most common game wins must also have the most non-common game losses. In non-common games, NY is 0-2 (Seattle & Chicago), while Dallas is 1-0 (Arizona), with Detroit to play.

Dallas must win the division outright.

This is the reason why the head to head competition in a couple of weeks is so important. We have to win in the Meadowlands.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I thought divisional games didn't count in the common game tie breaker.

 

[Fan Since 77]

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Your comment about non-common losses is confusing. NFL.com simply states this as the third tiebreaker, while not referring to non-common losses. It doesn't make sense that you need more losses in a tiebreaker...

 

[jazzcat22]

division record, conference record then common opponents. I never heard of the non common opponents. Why would that even matter.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Off the top of my head...

1. Overall record

In case of tie

2. division record
3. head to head
4. common games

 

[mmohican29]

Whoooa. Hello Common games. Ok we just beat Indianapolis. The Giants lost to the Colts on the MNF opener. Our losseshilly NYG WAS and JAX. If the Giants lose tonight that would be two common opponents, one that we have beaten and one we lost to, but the Giants would have lost both games. I don't think Division games count in the common opponent quotient.

If we win out, lol I think we're in good shape. We would have a 500 Div record and that would tack on a win over NYG. If the Giants lose tonight, they would have to win out in order to take the division title. I don't think they will, nor do I think we will either. It's far too early to determine that kinda stuff.

 

[Tuna Helper]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3700009/?pg=42#anc_NFL_playoffs_06


Tiebreaker rules

To break a tie within a division — two clubs:


Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied precentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, if applicable.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best net points in division games.

Best net points in all games.

Strength of schedule.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss.
To break a tie within a division — three or more clubs:
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie-breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format)

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied precentage in games among the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best net points in division games.

Best net points in all games.

Strength of schedule.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss
To break a tie for the wild-card:


If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie-breaker.

If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

Best average net points in conference games.

Best net points in all games.

Strength of schedule.

Bet net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss.

Three or more clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie-breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie-breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2 The originial seeding within a division tie-breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify three wild-card teams.

Head-to-head sweep (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

Best average net points in conference games.

Best net points in all games.

Strength of schedule.

Bet net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss.

 

[Fan Since 77]

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

The Cowboys and Giants play the same teams in 14 of their 16 games.
This tiebreaker is not over, as you suggested, because there are still plenty of common games left.

 

[tomson75]

Even if Dallas & New York remain tied after the 2nd tiebreaker (division record), the 3rd t/b is record in common games. The Giiants have an advantage that cannot be lost.

If 2 teams have the same record, the team with the most common game wins must also have the most non-common game losses. In non-common games, NY is 0-2 (Seattle & Chicago), while Dallas is 1-0 (Arizona), with Detroit to play.

Dallas must win the division outright.

We can still beat them with a tie if:

1. We beat them and Philly in our remaining two NFC East games.

2. They lose to the Eagles and Commanders in their final two NFC East games.

3. We have a better record in common games....lets hope they lose to JAX tonight.


This is a moot point IMO, as I think we finish with the better record.

 

[vicjagger]

I was only looking at it from the inverse, becasue it only involves 2 games, thus less head-aches considering the possibilities.

In all scenarios where NY & Dallas finish tied, in head-to-head & division record, NY will always have a 1 game lead in the next division tie-breaker, record in common games.

Thus Dallas can only win the division by virtue of a better overall record.

 

[vicjagger]

I thought divisional games didn't count in the common game tie breaker.

In order for the common games record to be used, you'd have to be tied in division game anyway. 6 or 1/2 dozen.

 

[Fan Since 77]

I was only looking at it from the inverse, becasue it only involves 2 games, thus less head-aches considering the possibilities.

In all scenarios where NY & Dallas finish tied, in head-to-head & division record, NY will always have a 1 game lead in the next division tie-breaker, record in common games.

Thus Dallas can only win the division by virtue of a better overall record.

thanks for the clarification.

 

[Tuna Helper]

I was only looking at it from the inverse, becasue it only involves 2 games, thus less head-aches considering the possibilities.

In all scenarios where NY & Dallas finish tied, in head-to-head & division record, NY will always have a 1 game lead in the next division tie-breaker, record in common games.

Thus Dallas can only win the division by virtue of a better overall record.

Well, that does it for me. Why don't we just run the table then? Surely the Giants will drop a game or two before the season is over.

 

[Aikbach]

Simple verdict, Ny loses tonight and Dallas wins out. Dallas wins the division with a 12-4 record and NY wildcards it at 11-5 or worse.

 

[alancdc]

A further explanation is needed for me.

I'm with ya!

:bang2:

 

[HoustonSucks]

If it comes down to a coin toss, where in the heck does that take place?

LOL

 

[vicjagger]

I'm with ya!

:bang2:

If 2 teams are tied, and 1 team has at least 1 more win in common games (14 of the 16), then that same team must also have at least 1 more loss in non-common games (2 of 16), otherwise the teams wouldn't be tied.

The Giants' non-common schedule is over, they finished 0-2. Dallas will likely finish 2-0, or 1-1 if they lose to Detroit. Thus, the Giants are already guaranteed to have the worse non-common schedule in any possible scenario, which includes any scenario where the 2 teams are tied. So if they finish tied, the Giants must have the better common game record, and thus would win the tiebreaker.

We're going to win the division by 1 game anyway, maybe more.

 

[Dallas31]

LOOSE

It is amazing how many football fans have trouble spelling the word LOSE...

Loose is the opposite of tight, not the opposite of win...

Sorry but that drives me nuts...