Dallas Cowboys ON SI: Pickens' projected contract

[baltcowboy]

I don't know where they're getting their information plus they're deeper than that It's it's like when you look over at Minnesota it's not just like they have Jefferson they have that other guy that's really good that's gonna be do a contract but they're they're 3Deep..

Yeah I agree they they act like somehow Stafford doesn't have a great surrounding cast and he does even the running back is underrated But I can tell you what they do have that's better than us and I know it's improved but you can't be better than Sean Mcveigh when he has enough toys He's one of the best offensive minds in football he also does a great job as a head coach keeping it all together I don't know if their defense is as good as it was back when they won the Super Bowl with Aaron Donald and everyone that defense was no joke it was a championship defense I think they have to do more on offense this year..

Yeah the Rams are for real from the top to bottom they have the supporting cast it's not even funny that people are trying to undersell it like Matthew Stafford's carrying that team with nobody...lmao

Yeah at the beginning of the season Pickens was not even a $20 million dollar a season receiver, our offensive line was below average, and we had no running game. Now we have the best offense in the league. I wonder why?

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah at the beginning of the season Pickens was not even a $20 million dollar a season receiver, our offensive line was below average, and we had no running game. Now we have the best offense in the league. I wonder why?

It's actually all the above,

if you don't look for a specific answer you want,

that entire offense is contributing, everyone including and don't leave out BS he and Klayton Adams, both design this offense ,they designed the game plans, and they made sure the offensive line ,and the blocking schemes along with Riley fit what we were looking for,

Really think people are forgetting that that changed a lot putting more motion putting Prescott under center making sure you ran the football....

I say number one is Brian Schottheimer, number two is Prescott ,so if you're trying to intimate and it's Pickens only Pickens, that's changed this whole offense, you're crazy!!!

You're just looking for that as a reason to say he should get paid 35 million to stay, and I'm saying look at it from a different perspective Where else would he been able to do this if he was by himself....

We already saw that, he was a $20 million a year receiver elsewhere, This is a total team effort from the top down everybody's contributing, I mean look at the things that Turpin has done people didn't even want him on the field after he fumble but he still got a 48 yarder across the middle that helped change the momentum, he also got that fumble, he's also still making plays,

Don't forget about the rest of the guys, the big blocks by Williams and hunter, they all help, those balls are not making it to Pickens or lamb, without the rest of it working.

facts,

Keep your emotions out of it because I don't know where you were hoping this went but I bet it was the opposite of what you thought my answer would be....

 

[Relayer]

First of all, it's not a circus, we get it he has a flare for the dramatics, he doesn't mind drama... There isn't a camera he doesn't love or a mic he passes up on I get it.....


He's done a lot of good things this year,

so you could try to sweep it under the rug all you want,

maybe in some ways given the experience with Parsons, that he handles this a little bit better, but again he doesn't have all the chips you have two others in the agent and the player that could see the giant bag, and try to go get it elsewhere, they are part of this don't act like Parsons didn't enjoy that circus he played the game until the end it actually crossed a line I didn't know Jerry had..

There is a limit to what you can pay a player when you already have a premier receiver making that kind of money you can't expect Jerry to keep him you just hope they find a way to keep him but if he leaves you can't blame Jerry the dude has earned a contract that might be top five and you cannot pay a player you already paying at the same position top five money.

It's not how you build a good team I mean I love it that our offense would be dynamic that's why I hope we can keep him...

The fact is there's others involved and maybe George Pickens wants to be a number one wide receiver somewhere else and he's going to push it to get out of here so other people control this decision it's not just Jerry because you can't just hand him starter money and expect to be able to finish out your team and a year that might be the last big push for the Dak Prescott era....

It's going to be interesting offseason for sure...

You might want to look up "juggler". I'll give you a clue though, It's not the same as jugular. Then you might see the humor and not get your feelings hurt.

 

[Relayer]

Yes, but unless there's more paper trail proof, and the will by the to league to enforce the rule, nothing matters.

Papertrail? If it was a verbal agreement and the man has admitted it, what papertrail do you require?

 

[Relayer]

I do think the fact that he was traded for behavior concerns makes it less likely that he would pull a Parsons. He's created quite a bit of goodwill with his play, so it's best to not do anything to get himself relabeled as a malcontent. Of course, sometimes these players don't care about that. They just want their money and know someone will give it to them.

Pull a Parsons? I'm talking about his behaviour on the field.

 

[Relayer]

Are you saying they don't pay taxes when they play out of state? Or that guys who live in no state tax states have to pay taxes when they play in one of the bloodsucking states? That is wholly un-American right there.

Taxes are paid in the state they are earned in. When you are based out of Tx, like the Cowboys are, and you play the game, and therefore earn the money, in Ca you pay Ca taxes on it and vice versa.

 

[blueblood70]

You might want to look up "juggler". I'll give you a clue though, It's not the same as jugular. Then you might see the humor and not get your feelings hurt.

That's cute but I don't have any feelings, that was not a responsive feeling, that was facts, if you don't like getting in a hard heated debates you're probably in the wrong place, People have differing opinions and they may respond the way you don't like.

So, you might want to harden up a little bit yourself.. lmao

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[RonnieT24]

Taxes are paid in the state they are earned in. When you are based out of Tx, like the Cowboys are, and you play the game, and therefore earn the money, in Ca you pay Ca taxes on it and vice versa.

I can't believe they reached into those guys' pockets like that. I had heard they were going to implement that but since I stopped hearing about it I thought it died and just forgot about it. I work in 10 different states every year and I would need an army of accountants to do this for me.

 

[Chasing6]

Exactly. I think around $30 million is fair on a new deal. Or he can play on the tag and bet on himself to break the bank the following year.

It will be north of $35M.

 

[Chasing6]

I read somewhere once and I don’t remember where, but a players weekly pay in state income taxes is based on where he plays that week. So if he played in AZ he would be subject to AZ state tax and not CO. He would only be subject to 8 weeks at minimum in CO. So at the end of the day it may not be that much in terms of savings.

That does not apply to the signing bonus.

 

[RonnieT24]

It will be north of $35M.

If he asks for that I tag him. This offense has been #1 in the league without him. Yes he raises it to still another level but he has not earned top 2 WR money. One great season will not get you there. Sorry.

 

[Chasing6]

I think you will find that Pickens will eventually be a cancer/problem. Time will tell. If we extend him, I hope you are right and I am wrong.

As soon as we find out his Agent wants $38M a year, it will be a problem.

 

[RonnieT24]

That does not apply to the signing bonus.

Oh yeah I forgot about that.. thanks for pointing that out. So a guy getting a 75 million dollar signing bonus in Texas is getting 75 million dollars. A guy getting a 75 million dollar signing bonus in one of those 10% states is getting 68.5 million. Some of these guys must have skipped math starting in 7th grade.

 

[Relayer]

That's cute but I don't have any feelings, that was not a responsive feeling, that was facts, if you don't like getting in a hard heated debates you're probably in the wrong place, People have differing opinions and they may respond the way you don't like.

So, you might want to harden up a little bit yourself.. lmao

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"hard heated debate"? I joke about using juggler instead of jugular in reference to Jerry running a circus, you get triggered, even after l point out it was a joke? I'm the one who can't handle it?

 

[Relayer]

I can't believe they reached into those guys' pockets like that. I had heard they were going to implement that but since I stopped hearing about it I thought it died and just forgot about it. I work in 10 different states every year and I would need an army of accountants to do this for me.

Maybe it wasn't implemented, maybe it's something to do with the amount, it's just what I understood. I'll check it later. Maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not a tax consultant myself.

 

[blueblood70]

"hard heated debate"? I joke about using juggler instead of jugular in reference to Jerry running a circus, you get triggered, even after l point out it was a joke? I'm the one who can't handle it?

No not triggered having a heated debate yeah that's what I'm calling it you don't like it too bad... How can I not handle it that I put you on ignore that I not respond i'm right here in your face tell me what you think..

I've got nowhere and yet you're saying that I can't handle it...

 

[Relayer]

No not triggered having a heated debate yeah that's what I'm calling it you don't like it too bad... How can I not handle it that I put you on ignore that I not respond i'm right here in your face tell me what you think..

I've got nowhere and yet you're saying that I can't handle it...

You're still arguing.

 

[blueblood70]

As soon as we find out his Agent wants $38M a year, it will be a problem.

As it should be anybody who's saying that Jerry's stupid if he passes on 38 million and that he should sign him at all costs really have lost sight of the business side of this and you're living in fantasy..

And I'm saying George Pickens could get that and maybe should get that that means he has to be a starter somewhere you can't pay the man in my opinion over $31 million If you want this pairing Lamb and Pickens the last that would be your hard stance is If you want to play here with Prescott and Lamb if you're comfortable here 31 million would make him a very highly paid receiver some starters are getting that elsewhere but that would be the highest paid backup receiver in the league..

T Higgins and whoever else they're not making 31 they're 31 would give him more than the franchise tag It should appease most people that are not looking for the big bag but I would not fault him for wanting to leave so he can get all the snaps targets the glory and the money and that's what I'm expecting..

Some people around here somehow think that you can pay anyone anything and I think you're wrong you're very wrong 38 million would be negligence on Jerry's part paying a second receiver that much money and I know he's a starter that's the point no team is paying 2 receivers on the same team elite starting money no one it's it would set a precedent and it would be a bad one for team building you need more money elsewhere.

I hope George finds a way to stay here i'm not hating on the guy but he is playing his way out of here other teams have noticed like I'd say the Buffalo Bills if he wants to be on a winner that really needs a star wide receiver that would be the first place I look.

But that is up to him just like it was not a negative when Jerry says I was looking at paying Parsons 40ish- 42max..

But then when they moved the number they wanted shorter years more guarantees and the circus that was going on for both parties you can see why it backfired and Jerry allowed him to leave there was a line I didn't know Jerry had one but there's a 1st time for everything but everyone acting like it somehow was a bad thing for the team to pass up on paying a guy 47 million as a defensive end is insane just like it would be bad for the team to pay 38 million to George Pickens..


Maybe the agent, maybe the player, really liked being here, and they're willing to take 31 that would be great for everyone...

 

[blueblood70]

You're still arguing.

Actually, I'm not, i'm making more statements, that's not arguing,

i'm saying I'm still here, where am I at, and you're replying as well, so don't be a hypocrite Why are you still replying why don't you just pass up the opportunity to say nothing in a reply?

But nice that you're making a dig on your very own actions while you think it's just criticizing me you're criticizing yourself because you're doing the same thing..NEXT.

 

[blueblood70]

If he asks for that I tag him. This offense has been #1 in the league without him. Yes he raises it to still another level but he has not earned top 2 WR money. One great season will not get you there. Sorry.

I'm with you Ronnie I think you try to offer him a deal that pays him more than T Higgins make him the highest paid second option receiver whether he believes he's a starter or not Lamb is already here There's a team that needs the money too to finish building the defense and what not..

There are starters out there only making 31 million that's why the tag is around 29 the problem here You cannot tag him with the purposes of making him play on the tag.

You should tag him with a first round tender and to avoid another circus online with this particular agent you should tell them they can seek trades tell the teams to come bring us offers that we can decide to either match or pass and take the 1st round pick but I would not want a George Pickens type of personality on my team playing on the tag being forced to be somewhere he didn't want to be that is not smart football in this case there are some guys that don't mind great leaders don't mind people who are betting on themselves like that guy number 4 on our team never had to go to be on these lanes he got hurt on the tag still got paid he took Jerry to the cleaners both contracts without saying a word

But I don't think in this case with that agent and that personality that you would want that on your team you would use the tag as a negotiating platform You'd really try to keep him here but you also let him seek trades But a first round tender works out for the Cowboys just as much just like Parsons sometimes you have to let guys walk..

So yes tag the guy to extend the negotiations to control the negotiations Listen to the offers but in no way shape or form would I make this guy play this year on the tag He will not be happy he will not be motivated we will get a worse version of Pittsburgh Steeler Pickens....