Dane Brugler 2011 NFL Draft Revisited Cowboys 6th best

Gameover · May 21, 2014

CyberB0b said:
I think that was mostly due to injury concerns. Looks like they were right.

Wrong on both accounts.

CyberB0b · May 21, 2014

Gameover said:
Wrong on both accounts.

If I remember correctly, he hurt himself working out with Sam Bradford in the offseason before his rookie year. Are you saying he hasn't had injury problems?

Gameover · May 21, 2014

BAZ said:
Jeez I think a B+ is generous.

Depends on What Bruce Carter does. If he plays to talent level, the B+ grade is legit. If he doesn't, you have to downgrade it a little bit.

Lets not act like two of these guys didn't make it to the Pro Bowl. And Harris was probably in the running as a special teamer.

Gameover · May 21, 2014

CyberB0b said:
If I remember correctly, he hurt himself working out with Sam Bradford in the offseason before his rookie year. Are you saying he hasn't had injury problems?

I'm saying he was very good third round pick.

CyberB0b · May 21, 2014

Gameover said:
I'm saying he was very good third round pick.

Then we don't disagree.

ThreeandOut · May 21, 2014

The grading is on a curve relative to how other teams drafted that year. Brugler rated the Cowboys draft as the 6th best draft that year. Those of you that think the Cowboys draft was average should be able to identify about 16 other teams that had a better draft.

CyberB0b · May 21, 2014

ThreeandOut said:
The grading is on a curve relative to how other teams drafted that year. Brugler rated the Cowboys draft as the 6th best draft that year. Those of you that think the Cowboys draft was average should be able to identify about 16 other teams that had a better draft.

I don't really agree with that line of thought. It is the same thought that says we weren't a bad team because we finished 8-8.

ThreeandOut · May 21, 2014

CyberB0b said:
I don't really agree with that line of thought. It is the same thought that says we weren't a bad team because we finished 8-8.

We weren't a bad team, we were an average team hence the 8-8 record.

ghst187 · May 21, 2014

Bluestang said:
I'm surprised that Dwayne Harris wasn't mentioned, great special teams player.

Exactly, he has actually altered the tide of several games either on ST or a pivotal catch.

BAZ · May 22, 2014

Gameover said:
Depends on What Bruce Carter does. If he plays to talent level, the B+ grade is legit. If he doesn't, you have to downgrade it a little bit.

Lets not act like two of these guys didn't make it to the Pro Bowl. And Harris was probably in the running as a special teamer.

Making the pro bowl doesn't isnt as impressive as it once was. Murray is injury prone, Harris a special teamer, Smith might be the only one on the team for a second contract. B+ is generous.

Gameover · May 22, 2014

BAZ said:
Making the pro bowl doesn't isnt as impressive as it once was..

I came this close to putting this disclaimer in my post. I knew (he's that guy) would come in and make this comment. Surprised it took this long..

Murray has been a good player know matter how you look at it. PFR season AV, PFF top 100, NFL Network Top 100, Football Outsider advanced stat numbers(Murray was the best back in the league by their numbers, until the last game of the season) and plain old fashion statistics !

rynochop · May 22, 2014

Bullflop said:
Meh, the 2011 draft is revisionist history . . . nothing more nor less -- sorry to say it just doesn't turn me on that much.

so i guess you put more stock in the day after draft grades than giving it a couple years to, you know, actually watch the guys play on sunday?

BAZ · May 22, 2014

Gameover said:
I came this close to putting this disclaimer in my post. I knew (he's that guy) would come in and make this comment. Surprised it took this long..

I'm that guy? Who's he?

[quote="Gameover, post: 5557495, member: 607"
Murray has been a good player know matter how you look at it. PFR season AV, PFF top 100, NFL Network Top 100, Football Outsider advanced stat numbers(Murray was the best back in the league by their numbers, until the last game of the season) and plain old fashion statistics ![/quote]

Yeah, Murrays good, but injury prone and not such a game changer he's lock for a second contract.

If you could make a case for Carter turning it around I could see a B+, but right now its a good not great draft. What would you give 2010?

TheRomoSexual · May 22, 2014

BAZ said:
I'm that guy? Who's he?

[quote="Gameover, post: 5557495, member: 607"
Murray has been a good player know matter how you look at it. PFR season AV, PFF top 100, NFL Network Top 100, Football Outsider advanced stat numbers(Murray was the best back in the league by their numbers, until the last game of the season) and plain old fashion statistics !

Yeah, Murrays good, but injury prone and not such a game changer he's lock for a second contract.

If you could make a case for Carter turning it around I could see a B+, but right now its a good not great draft. What would you give 2010?[/quote]

Dude, a "good not great draft" IS a B+ draft. 2010 was an A- draft. It's weird how fans suddenly have a bizzarely skewed expectation regarding what constitutes a good draft.

Contest the grade all you want, but he RANKED our draft again others. That provides far more validity than a bunch of fans arguing over whether Murray will be resigned.

starfrombirth · May 22, 2014

Ntegrase96 said:
Are we 100% sure Murray won't be resigned? Even still, Murray has had two seasons of over 5 yards per carry, I think we can call that a very good pick, especially considering he was drafted in the 3rd round.

This year will tell, I think, but even so he won't break the bank... Those days are gone. I hope JJ realizes it but I'm real sure McClay does, if he has any input.

CyberB0b · May 22, 2014

ThreeandOut said:
We weren't a bad team, we were an average team hence the 8-8 record.

We had a historically bad defense and only beat teams with losing records. We were a bad team.

Alexander · May 22, 2014

BAZ said:
Making the pro bowl doesn't isnt as impressive as it once was.

Kind of hit its low note when Mike Jenkins made it.

BAZ · May 22, 2014

TheRomoSexual said:
Dude, a "good not great draft" IS a B+ draft. 2010 was an A- draft. It's weird how fans suddenly have a bizzarely skewed expectation regarding what constitutes a good draft.

Contest the grade all you want, but he RANKED our draft again others. That provides far more validity than a bunch of fans arguing over whether Murray will be resigned.

Good is not B+, that is close to the best.

I will contest the grade all I want, you CAPITALIZING things won't stop that. His RANKING is sill only his OPINION. Do you understand this?

TheRomoSexual · May 22, 2014

BAZ said:
Good is not B+, that is close to the best.

I will contest the grade all I want, you CAPITALIZING things won't stop that. His RANKING is sill only his OPINION. Do you understand this?

Yes, but until you do your own rankings, his opinion >>>> yours.

jterrell · May 22, 2014

BAZ said:
Jeez I think a B+ is generous.

because you only look at the dallas draft.
teams dont dominate drafts with 4 plus starters.

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