Darnell Docket airs NFL dirty laundry

FLcowboy

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http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/31/darnell-dockett-nfl-dirty-laundry/

Peter King put this up on his MMQB for Docket.


I have to say this, thats what i love about Jerry Jones. He takes care of his players. Ask Josh Brent, The Brown family, Sean Lee, and all the other injured players he paid instead of sending them out the door without their money. One of the most stand up owners in all of sports. He has never put the game above any players health. Love that about him. Think thats why you will never hear any player say anything bad about the guy. Even after they leave the NFL they still call him Mr Jones when theyre around him. Respect.

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for the player who gets to go to a top notch college on a free ride to play football, and then complains he is playing for the glory, but others get the money. He needs to look around at all the ex-football players who have nothing after their career, who are basically indigent, and didn't get an education while they were in school. How does society get through to these people? Football isn't forever. Education is.
 

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Tell me how much money it costs to buy your health back.

Young people have zero idea what it is like to be old. It is impossible to know no matter how much you read or think about it. They don't anticipate what it is like and even seeing older players it only registers so much. Old is so far off it doesn't matter until suddenly it is there. Not all players end up crippled etc either.

You should be born old and grow young.
 

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Players are well aware of the physical and mental risks that football brings to the table. If you're going to complain so much about it, then get out of the league and get a real job like the rest of us.

I don't think that is necessarily true because up until about a year ago, nobody had any clue what CTE was. I think they knew that they may suffer from chronic arthritis and being broken down, but I don't think anybody thought that a player with a 'normal' career could have an actual brain disease. And there is some linking of CTE and concussions to Lou Gehrig's Disease as well.

That's why you get former players like Kurt Warner that claim that they wouldn't allow their child to play football.





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I don't think that is necessarily true because up until about a year ago, nobody had any clue what CTE was. I think they knew that they may suffer from chronic arthritis and being broken down, but I don't think anybody thought that a player with a 'normal' career could have an actual brain disease. And there is some linking of CTE and concussions to Lou Gehrig's Disease as well.

That's why you get former players like Kurt Warner that claim that they wouldn't allow their child to play football.





YR

Meh. Just because the official terminology or medical lingo didn't exist until recently doesn't negate the fact that modern NFL players have had plenty of evidence available to make them realize the risk they take when they suit up. They risk their lives and health, and shame on them if they don't realize it. They get paid handsomely and knowingly sign a contract.

The same thing applies to participants in combat sports. Have you heard James Toney speak recently? Evander Holyfield? Do you know who Meldrick Taylor is?

These guys all willingly signed their contracts. And they should know that there's a potential price that they'll pay for the glory and money they're getting. If they're not prepared to pay that price then maybe they should join the common workforce.
 

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I don't think that is necessarily true because up until about a year ago, nobody had any clue what CTE was. I think they knew that they may suffer from chronic arthritis and being broken down, but I don't think anybody thought that a player with a 'normal' career could have an actual brain disease. And there is some linking of CTE and concussions to Lou Gehrig's Disease as well.

That's why you get former players like Kurt Warner that claim that they wouldn't allow their child to play football.





YR

Yeah, and it's kinda crazy. We have had a diagnosis called dementia pugilistica since 1928. And there have been associations with those symptoms of boxers with other sports for a long time. But still it wasn't an ordinary thing to know. I knew about punch drunk but it was later in my career I learned of the association with other sports. CTE is relatively new although it really shouldn't be. Players are just beginning to get educated.
 

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After seeing what happened to Mile Webster, I think more money should be put away for medical treatment and disability payments, not necessarily giving out guaranteed contracts. I hate the Steeler with a passion, but seeing how a warrior like Mike Webster spent his final years is just brutal. More players will die like that if the NFL doesn't do a better job of taking care of their own. No amount of money will fix their physical problems, but it can give them better treatment and not have a HOF player living in his car and not knowing that if he puts on a coat he will be warmer.
 

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Yeah, and it's kinda crazy. We have had a diagnosis called dementia pugilistica since 1928. And there have been associations with those symptoms of boxers with other sports for a long time. But still it wasn't an ordinary thing to know. I knew about punch drunk but it was later in my career I learned of the association with other sports. CTE is relatively new although it really shouldn't be. Players are just beginning to get educated.

There are now theories that Lou Gehrig played through some severe head injuries during his streak. One time he was kneed sliding into to second base and supposedly had to borrow a teammates hat because his no longer fit. Add in a couple bean balls and Gehrig's ALS may have been caused by untreated concussions.
 

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Meh. Just because the official terminology or medical lingo didn't exist until recently doesn't negate the fact that modern NFL players have had plenty of evidence available to make them realize the risk they take when they suit up. They risk their lives and health, and shame on them if they don't realize it. They get paid handsomely and knowingly sign a contract.

The same thing applies to participants in combat sports. Have you heard James Toney speak recently? Evander Holyfield? Do you know who Meldrick Taylor is?

These guys all willingly signed their contracts. And they should know that there's a potential price that they'll pay for the glory and money they're getting. If they're not prepared to pay that price then maybe they should join the common workforce.

I don't think anybody in football thought they would become 'punch drunk' like they did in boxing.

And CTE is an actual rotting away of the inside of the brain. It goes beyond impaired speech and forgetting things...it goes into psychotic and violent behavior, depression and suicide. To the point where even family members don't understand their behavior.

Mike Webster's family didn't want anything to do with him because of his behavior and when he was diagnosed with CTE, it all made sense to them. Chris Benoit's murder/suicide was something that friends and colleagues thought he would be the last person to ever do something so heinous and he was found to have severe CTE.

It's one thing to talk about the risks of being crippled because the odds are incredibly low that a player will be crippled playing football to the point where you have as much likelihood being struck by lightning.

But when the intiial research shows the odds of getting CTE after playing football are pretty good...I think it's a completely different scenario.






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I don't think anybody in football thought they would become 'punch drunk' like they did in boxing.

Well then I'd say those players were being naive and/or didn't think too hard about their profession.
 

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There are now theories that Lou Gehrig played through some severe head injuries during his streak. One time he was kneed sliding into to second base and supposedly had to borrow a teammates hat because his no longer fit. Add in a couple bean balls and Gehrig's ALS may have been caused by untreated concussions.

There is an increased incidence in non-inherited ALS with military service and contact sports but it is not known for certain how that causes ALS if it does indeed do so.
 

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Well then I'd say those players were being naive and/or didn't think too hard about their profession.

You named boxers as guys that don't speak well. Boxing was synonymous with being 'punch drunk' (hence the name). Even Webster didn't sound punch drunk and people didn't associate football with being punch drunk.

It grew up in 80's when players would get a concussion and told that they 'just got their bell rang' and still played the game.

I think it was a league wide and society wide ignorance due to a lack of education on the subject.





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I extended Mr. Dockett various degrees of sympathy, even though I have some reservations about the level of his overall compensation and entitlement, until he said:

Concussion is the wrong injury to use as an analogy. It is perhaps the one injury that anyone, professional athlete or otherwise, should always report and report immediately. No amount of monetary compensation or lack of compensation should prevent someone from seeking immediate medical attention for a concussion. Why? It is because concussion injuries the brain.

In my opinion, many people throughout the world discount the severity of brain injury. Some might say he or she just got their bell ranged or something similar and go about their business without immediate medical evaluation. What many end up not considering are the possible short- or long-term effects of brain injury like permanent memory loss, loss of bodily funtion, inability to solve complex or even simple problems, mood disfunction, dementia, seizure, etc.

Brain injuries do not dismiss the relevance of other injuries any athlete or nonathlete might sustain and live with. Persons with limb injuries might suffer lifelong discomforting or even debilitating pain. People may deal with moderate-to-severe medical consequences of internal organ damage to their liver, kidney, spleen, lung, heart, etc. These injuries create quality of life issues that might evolve into even terminal situations. A person's suffering might grow into something unbearable. Yet, their sense of self would still be intact.

Before people like Mr. Dockett diminish the importance of reporting every concussion they sustain, they should consider what that might eventually mean to them. They might want to think how a neurological exam may help them remember who their friends are, or their family, or even the person staring back them from the mirror. They may want to consider how "simple" concussions may cause them to involuntary urinate or defecate without warning in the privacy of their own homes or in a public setting. They may wish to think how important it is to them to do simple tasks like adding and subtracting, balancing a checkbook, reading a menu, tying a child's shoelaces or walk in a straight line with a healthy set of legs and feet. They might want to know how concussions might one day make them speak incoherently or interact with others in ways they feel is inappropriate or embarrassing. They may want to ponder what it feels like after the electrical activity of their brain short-circuits while playing with their grandchildren or driving to the supermarket, if they regain consciousness.

In short, Mr. Dockett (or anyone else) should consider how important it is to think. Maybe, just maybe, the realization will dawn on him that no amount of money or unemployment risk matters in regards to cognitive function. Nothing. It's not a Star Trek world, Mr. Dockett. People cannot fix your brain with fictional drugs and gadgets. Acknowledging the danger of concussions is one thing the league finally got right and should not be questioned... unless the questions focus on how to improve on preventing brain injuries. What is more valuable to you, Mr. Dockett? The residuals of $10 million guaranteed that pays someone to wipe the drool from your mouth? Or taking every neurological exam anytime anyone suspects your brain has been sloshing around inside your skull? Your choice.

Well said.
 

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http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/31/darnell-dockett-nfl-dirty-laundry/

Peter King put this up on his MMQB for Docket.


I have to say this, thats what i love about Jerry Jones. He takes care of his players. Ask Josh Brent, The Brown family, Sean Lee, and all the other injured players he paid instead of sending them out the door without their money. One of the most stand up owners in all of sports. He has never put the game above any players health. Love that about him. Think thats why you will never hear any player say anything bad about the guy. Even after they leave the NFL they still call him Mr Jones when theyre around him. Respect.

I'm not sure that Jimmy Smith would agree with the assessment of Jerry Jones.

Overall, what you say has truth to it, but what Jones did in regards to Smith is a glaring outlier in what seems to be a pattern of generosity with players.
 

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Dockett's article is a poorly reasoned whine-fest. In the end, teams get away with not guaranteeing contracts in full, and players accept this, because that's what market forces dictate. That's not dirty laundry. It's just economic reality.
 

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http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/31/darnell-dockett-nfl-dirty-laundry/

Peter King put this up on his MMQB for Docket.


I have to say this, thats what i love about Jerry Jones. He takes care of his players. Ask Josh Brent, The Brown family, Sean Lee, and all the other injured players he paid instead of sending them out the door without their money. One of the most stand up owners in all of sports. He has never put the game above any players health. Love that about him. Think thats why you will never hear any player say anything bad about the guy. Even after they leave the NFL they still call him Mr Jones when theyre around him. Respect.

Jay Ratliff might have a different point of view on this subject.

So might Moe Clayborn..whom I believe has been called out by the owner as needing to play injured and to suck it up..

so to speak.

So while Jones' background as having played the game in college definitely factors into his perspective..

it also may cloud his judgment at times.

I'll live with it as fan.

But at times I would prefer Jones to fade into the background more.

What I'd really like to see more of is Stephen Jones speaking up more at this point in the Franchise.

We need to know more about his point of views going forward as his Dad grossly dominates the team and we really know practically nothing about Stephen other than he works on the player contracts and marginally in the War Room in April.

That ain't much.
 
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There are millions of people that would trade places with NFL players and take less money.


But its still not our (millions of people) reality its the players ...but you know this tho
 
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