Darren Waller fumbled that ball

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  1. MarcusRock

    MarcusRock Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your contributions, "Og." Lol.
  2. MarcusRock

    MarcusRock Well-Known Member

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    Again, who cares if you or anyone takes what I say seriously? I don't need a herd with me like you do. People make an assertion and I counter where I think they're off base or don't know the rule in question. So I post them plainly regarding whatever play is in question. If it hurts your feelings because your back wasn't pat in agreement, that's on you.
  3. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Moderator

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    In any other world he caught that ball, in the NFL it wasn’t, even though it was.
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  4. Creeper

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    It was a fumble and should have been ruled as a fumble. Waller catches the ball in his hands, takes 2 steps (see part 2), and then turns upfield. (part 3). It was a catch and a fumble according to the NFL rulebook.

    The refs were clearly screwing Dallas all day and I don't care about the Raiders getting 14 penalties called too. The Cowboys got the worst of the refs calls, especially that last PI called on Brown on a 3rd and 18. That ball was underthrown and Brown had underneath position. He made incidental and frankly light contact until the receiver grabbed Brown around the helmet. Calling PI on that was ridiculous and gave the Raiders the game.

    That roughing the QB call was also ridiculous. That team has no business officiating NFL games. I remember Hochuli's father was always giving it to Dallas too.

    The rule:

    A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:

    1. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    2. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    3. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so
  5. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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  6. MarcusRock

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    Yeah, I posted this and explained it if you read on in the thread. For me, he didn't turn up field after control and 2 feet were established like the rule says (I think it was during), so you have to look for the 3rd step that's part of the rule and the ball came out just before that. I think it's also what the refs were looking for which makes it an easy review at that point.
  7. heir

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    Oh shoot. Wow. My apologies. I thought it was huddled. That's crazy.
  8. Creeper

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    Turning upfield is not actually a requirement. It is an example of a football move. Waller caught the ball on the move and he was already heading upfield. By taking two steps after the catch and continuing in the direction he is moving - even starting to take a 3rd step, he is making a football move. He had the ball in control in his hands. He had two feet down and was making a 3rd step. That is possession and a catch.
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  9. MarcusRock

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    I know it's only an example of a football move. What I'm saying is he didn't turn upfield after control and 2 feet down like the rule requires so then you have to look to another football move and that's the 3rd step. That 3rd step never touched down before the ball came out so that's why it's incomplete.
  10. boysbeyond4ever

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    Thing is he didn't actually continue in the direction. It was a shallow cross under the defense meant to lead Waller into a natural turn up field outside the near hashmark and closer to the near sideline, in the case beating both the defender on the sideline and Kearse closing on him from the middle down the field for a potentially huge play the ball was thrown just behind Waller and he had to move back and wait as the ball arrived which why he turned up field almost immediately rather than following hi momentum toward the sideline area. He turns up into Kearse because the ball was late and behind him, otherwise that's a significant gainer because no one is out there to bring him down and Kearse had an awful angle to the ball if thrown were it was supposed to be.

    Waller clearly had possession two feet on the field and then turned up field.

    BTW it is listed as one of the football moves so it is a requirement like the other football moves.
  11. ryanbabs

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    Honest opinion: do you think GB or Pitts get that call? :laugh:
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  12. CowboyRoy

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    it’s a conspiracy. The head of officiating straight dialed Goodell and this was the conversation:

    - excuse me Mr. Goodell this is the head of officiating at the cowboys game. There appears to be a fumble that would aid the cowboys but it’s really not. What should I do?

    - (Goodell). You idiot! You were at the secret summit between refs and all the league officials. We have to make sure the cowboys aren’t successful. Tell them it was a booth review and rule it an incomplete pass. Don’t ever call this number again!

  13. Creeper

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    There is no point in arguing this. We disagree. I think it was a catch and fumble. Many people agree with me. You think otherwise. I am not going to convince you and you will not convince me so let's put this to bed. It is a moot point.
  14. losersgetcute

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    Let's review. How many feet does a player have? 2. In all situations when catching and establishing possession such as when you're heading out of bounds how many feet have to be down? 2. How many steps did Waller take? 2. Is bringing the ball to your left side as you turn clockwise a football move? Yes. Did the refs get a huge payday at the sportsbook for robbing Dem Boyz? Yes.
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  15. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    Taking an additional step is only one way to perform an act common to the game. Where I feel that he made an act common to the game is turning upfield. He caught the pass and turned upfield to run with it when it was knocked out. It was a close play, though, that could have gone either way and I felt because of that the officials should have determined that there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the turnover.
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  16. DCwarrior

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    Ask dez if a third step counts!!!
  17. DCwarrior

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    New York controls the games. Suspicious to say the least.
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  18. Flamma

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    Yeah, it was just another trash call by the refs. Doesn't surprise me.
  19. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    Yes, this is what I saw as well.

    I blame what happened on the overregulation of football. Now, officials have to examine every play and overturn ones that seem clear to the eye. We have catches that are not catches. We have pass interference that is not pass interference. We have roughing the quarterback that is not roughing the quarterback.

    I don't really fault the officials as much as the league for this. They should be told not to affect a play unless it's absolutely clear that it's needed.
  20. eromeopolk

    eromeopolk Well-Known Member

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    That big Blue M&M had a TV Screen the length of a football field to review the play and did not throw a 1st half challenge flag that would have given a huge momentum change and field position turnaround.

    Cowboys left incompetence for insanity at Head Coach.

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