Darren Waller fumbled that ball

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  1. T-RO

    T-RO Well-Known Member

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    It is icky, isn't it? But money drives people to do a lot of things.

    Creating and posting from multiple accounts with a VPN, going on long deceitful explanations that hide the actual rules. this is some sick stuff.
     
  2. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    LMAO

    You only post regarding ref failures and your bias is well known.

    I'd love to debate this with you in person and see you take that pompous tone with me.
     
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  3. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    99% of the time is giving him way too much credit.

    He is as biased towards the refs as they come.
     
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  4. BigWillie

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    A third step is not a must in the completion of a catch.

    From the rulebook ..

    The 'additional step' as in the rule is one of the acts common to the game, but not a necessity as stated here. Tucking the ball away, extending the ball forward, turning upfield or avoiding an opponent are also considered just as important as the additional step in determining whether a catch was made.

    Denote the underlined in the rule, and the important of ANY act common to the game, and the examples cited. Multiple are cited, not just an additional step. Meaning only one needs to be completed to complete the catch.

    But going back to your stated part in the video -- football tucked (went from left part of body to right part of body to secure football), and turning body to run upfield both happened. As stated in the rulebook, both would apply as an act common to the game and make the pass complete.
     
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  5. T-RO

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    Here it is in a nutshell. If anyone thinks this is "tinfoil" they are ignorant or they are a side player in the game.

    The NFL is a league of billionaire owners.

    Are billionaires ever satisfied with good profits? Of course not. They want to *sponge* every single nickle and dime they can. There's that. And in a club of 32 billionaires you have favors that must be paid...to one another and to those of higher power.

    Since inception, the league always favored big market versus small market teams, always had gambling surrounding the sport, always had occasions they pushed their agenda on to the game. Now? With the explosion of gambling and NFL's explicit partnerships...and the general corruption of society...It's 10 times worse.
     
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  6. Doomsday

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    He took 2 steps, started to tuck it away and turned up the field. Not sure how or what is a catch these days.

    Seems to be at the whim of the league

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  7. T-RO

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    Just like they want it.

    In study of corrupt entities one sees they repeatedly use these tactics:
    -repression of known facts
    -deliberately confusing, even contradictory language (words or clauses that don't mean what most people think, often the opposite meaning!)
    -paid agents, advocates and bots
    -enough money or power to suppress widespread scrutiny, and to validate their authority / "legitimacy"​
     
  8. Brax

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    link for this.
     
  9. MarcusRock

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    When posting the actual rules drives people to getting mad, you know you've painted someone in a corner they can't maneuver from. Your tinfoil boy there lied after being confronted with his own set of rules he posted while accusing me of making stuff up. But your internet toughness notwithstanding, how was this a fumble per the rules?
     
  10. nightrain

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    The Refs would not have overturned that call on challenge. That Officiating Crew should be disciplined and retrained for making the game about them. It is completely ridiculous for a game to take that long over ticky-tac penalty calls.
     
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  11. CWR

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    $$$
     
  12. heir

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    New York didn't chime in. The refs huddle and called it an incomplete catch. Which is still so stupid.

    Call it a fumble on the field and it gets reviewed automatically, but instead, they ruled it incomplete forcing a team to review. makes no sense.
     
  13. MarcusRock

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    I know a 3rd step isn't the only thing required but it's pertinent because none of the other things happened. The ball was not tucked away in any way, shape or form. He might have intended to tuck it in his right arm but the ball was away from his body which is how Kearse punched it out. Tucked means held into his body. That didn't happen. Again, none of the football moves mentioned (or not mentioned) can happen until AFTER parts (a) and (b) are completed. I posted these rules already but read the ones you posted. Waller is already running up field by the time he gets 2 feet on the ground so he can't turn upfield when he is already running upfield. These examples are listed for every kind of scenario that happens during a catch. "Turning upfield" is for when a player might have his back towards upfield, makes a catch while facing the QB, either at a standstill or leaping and landing, then turns to go in the direction of the offense, for example. Taking a 3rd step is designed for when a player is already running upfield, like when Gallup catches a sideline route, for example. There's nothing to "turn" to because he already is. Again, it has to happen after control and 2 feet down, not as control or 2 feet down are happening.

     
  14. HungryLion

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    im sure we will now hear about how some posters know more than Terry though.
     
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  15. MarcusRock

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    Appeal to authority all you want when convenient but does Terry know that the Replay Official CAN chime in and review a play where a turnover is in question like it was here?

    ARTICLE 2. REPLAY OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR REVIEW. Only the Replay Official or the Senior Vice President of Officiating
    or his or her designee may initiate a review of a play:
    (a) that begins after the two-minute warning of each half;
    (b) throughout any overtime period;
    (c) when points are scored by either team;
    (d) that is a Try attempt (successful or unsuccessful); and
    (e)
    when on-field officials rule:
    (1) an interception by an opponent;
    (2)
    a fumble or backward pass recovered by an opponent or that goes out of bounds through the opponent’s end zone;
    (3) a scrimmage kick touched by the receiving team and recovered by the kicking team; or
    (4) a disqualification of a player.
    Such plays may be reviewed regardless of whether a foul is committed on the play that, if accepted, would negate the on-field
    ruling.
    The Replay Official may only challenge a play until the next legal snap or kick. The Replay Official may consult with a
    designated member of the Officiating department at the league office regarding whether to challenge a play.

    So tell me, am I right here or is Terry?
     
  16. HungryLion

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    LOL of course you chime in white knighting for the officials again. Gross.


    I will appeal to Terry in this one though. Thanks boss.


    They suck at their jobs. Why can’t you just come out and say it instead of defending their ineptitude all the time.
     
  17. HungryLion

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    By the way. The play didn’t go to review. The refs just changed the ruling on the field. No review was initiated like can happen on turnovers.

    everyone knows the refs can intimate a review and actually go to the hood and review the play. That’s not what happened here and that’s not what Terry is talking about.


    Terry is talking about the official in the booth helping overturn a not clear and obvious call on the field. Not talking about whether the refs should have done an official review which is allowed on all turnovers.

    So perhaps you should read your own post again.
     
  18. MarcusRock

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    Answer the question. I just posted the rule that shows when Replay Officials can chime in. We know they can when there's a scoring play and within the 2 minute warnings which are listed here. What else is listed here? A fumble, right? So is Terry right or can the Replay Official indeed chime in on a turnover called?

    Once again, a poster gets up in arms after quoting a Tweet, not the actual rules.
     
  19. MarcusRock

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    Do refs "go under the hood" to review scoring plays? Not unless it's super close, right? If they can see it clearly they don't take all that time, do they? But yet they review them all.
     
  20. HungryLion

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    I just did answer the question.

    the booth official can’t just chime in and overturn the call on the field unless it’s clear and obvious.


    In that situation it’s supposed to go to review. BUT THEY DIDNT GO TO REVIEW. They just changed the call instead.


    so your rules you posted don’t even apply here.
     

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