Darren Woodson, Jimmy Johnson and TO among 2017 HOF nominees

[Fletch]

Minority here. I don't think Jimmy Johnson is a HOF coach.

I'm not going to blast you for your opinion, but how can he continually get dismissed? He is absolutely worthy and should've already had his bust sitting in Canton.

1-15. 7-9. 11-5. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Team that Barry Switzer inheretid and eventually won Super Bowl with.

Let us not discount the genius move that sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings for all those players that helped put the Cowboys back on the map. Jimmy certainly deserves it!

My two cents.

 

[Plumfool]

Not that it'll help but Woodson helped changed the way the safety position is played today.

 

[Iago33]

I'm not going to blast you for your opinion, but how can he continually get dismissed? He is absolutely worthy and should've already had his bust sitting in Canton.

1-15. 7-9. 11-5. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Team that Barry Switzer inheretid and eventually won Super Bowl with.

Let us not discount the genius move that sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings for all those players that helped put the Cowboys back on the map. Jimmy certainly deserves it!

My two cents.

People seem to want to put Jimmy in as a GM.

 

[Fletch]

People seem to want to put Jimmy in as a GM.

Not me. At least not anymore. He's too far removed from the game and the grind. Give me Will McClay all day.

Maybe Jerry will concede his starting role to Will. Ha!

 

[KJJ]

He has a 80 and 64 record. Irvin was already with the team, he didnt want Aikman, and settled for Emmitt because he couldnt get Seau. Without the triplets I dk he would've won the 2 SB's. He ran away from Cowboys and did nothing with Miami before he ran away from there.
He had no consistency.
Dungy had 10 seasons of at least 10 wins and I think would have won as much if not more than Jimmy with the triplets.

If Jimmy didn't want Aikman the team wouldn't have drafted him #1 overall, Jimmy was the unofficial GM and had full control of personnel moves. Not sure where you're getting your information but Jimmy wanted James Francis in the 1990 draft not Seau. As for Dungy he got fired in Tampa and was 1-1 in SB's with Peyton Manning in Indy. Like I mentioned Jimmy built a dynasty in Dallas from the ground up but didn't stay around long enough to get the most he could of out those great teams he built. He could have won a lot more with the triplets, he drafted 2 of them. He orchestrated the Walker trade and made a lot of the draft picks he got in that trade count. Dungy coached longer and won more consistently but he had one of the top 5 QBs to ever play the game and he inherited him.

Commonly known is that Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson wanted to draft Baylor linebacker James Francis, and even after Cincinnati nabbed him with the 12th pick, putting the kibosh to a potential trade with Kansas City up to 13, Johnson remained adamant, trying then to trade with the Bengals for Francis anyway. No dice.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2005/02/04/super-notes-how-emmitt-became-cowboy

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't care that Jimmy Johnson coached less than 10 years. It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Longevity or the Hall of Stats.
You simply CANNOT write the history of the NFL and leave out Jimmy Johnson's name and his legacy on the game. He did in four years in the pre-free agent era what most teams couldn't do in 20, 30, 40 years. And he built a DYNASTY. We're not talking about a team that won one Super Bowl but THREE. And his approach to the NFL draft (his trade value chart) has been copied by virtually EVERY NFL franchise.
That MY FRIENDS is IMPACT!

Jimmy Johnson belongs in the Hall of Fame. And I believe he'll get there.

Woodson? I hope he gets there, but I won't be terribly upset if he didn't get in. It wouldn't be an absolute travesty if he doesn't get in. It would if Jimmy Johnson doesn't get in.

Oh, and T.O. will get in. He belongs too.

 

[Maverick84]

Minority here. I don't think Jimmy Johnson is a HOF coach.

what does your race have to do with anything?

 

[dogunwo]

1-15. 7-9. 11-5. Super Bowl. Super Bowl.

Great accomplishments.

Team that Barry Switzer inheretid and eventually won Super Bowl with.

If Jimmy should get credit for that Superbowl, he should have coached it. He didn't. I see this all the time, and if it was a lay down Superbowl the team should have won the very next year, they didn't.

Let us not discount the genius move that sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings for all those players that helped put the Cowboys back on the map.

Jerry is more responsible for that than Jimmy is IMO. I do understand that Jimmy didn't invent but popularized the use of draft value charts though.

I don't think Jimmy is the slam dunk that most fans think. If he should get credit for building a team, he failed in that same aspect in Miami.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Great accomplishments.


If Jimmy should get credit for that Superbowl, he should have coached it. He didn't. I see this all the time, and if it was a lay down Superbowl the team should have won the very next year, they didn't.



Jerry is more responsible for that than Jimmy is IMO. I do understand that Jimmy didn't invent but popularized the use of draft value charts though.

I don't think Jimmy is the slam dunk that most fans think. If he should get credit for building a team, he failed in that same aspect in Miami.

Jerry never would have made that trade if Jimmy didn't want it. Jimmy didn't have total control in Miami. That was Dan Marino's team.

 

[knightrider94]

Both Woodson and Jimmy will be in the HOF at some point. Jimmy career was a little short but two (well 3 really) SB's will certainly put him in. The question is when?

Speaking of Cowboys greats, what's your opinion on Drew Pearson? Is he HOF worthy?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't care that Jimmy Johnson coached less than 10 years. It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Longevity or the Hall of Stats.
You simply CANNOT write the history of the NFL and leave out Jimmy Johnson's name and his legacy on the game. He did in four years in the pre-free agent era what most teams couldn't do in 20, 30, 40 years. And he built a DYNASTY. We're not talking about a team that won one Super Bowl but THREE. And his approach to the NFL draft (his trade value chart) has been copied by virtually EVERY NFL franchise.
That MY FRIENDS is IMPACT!

Jimmy Johnson belongs in the Hall of Fame. And I believe he'll get there.

Woodson? I hope he gets there, but I won't be terribly upset if he didn't get in. It wouldn't be an absolute travesty if he doesn't get in. It would if Jimmy Johnson doesn't get in.

Oh, and T.O. will get in. He belongs too.

The longevity will matter unfortunately. I think he gets in, and he should get in. Fox Sports hopes he does. (I've been warned, so I will censor it, his hair gets him in).

Barry gets in cause of talent. Megatron gets in cause of talent. Gale Sayers gets in cause of talent. Earl Campbell gets in cause of talent.

Talent isn't limited to what you see on the field, Jimmy's talent was thinking.......well before his time.

 

[adamknite]

I'd love to see Woodson get in. Just off the top of my head I can't think of another player that I feel is so deserving personally, but don't feel like publicly gets the credit he deserves. Outside other Cowboys fans I don't see a lot of support for Woody in the Hall and just personally I feel like that's a travesty. The dude was amazing back there.

Obviously that's just my personal feelings, which I could totally be wearing homer glasses, so who knows.


EDIT: Also... Jimmy is absolutely deserving of the Hall of Fame. The only counter to that is career longevity. I think even if he had just coached five more years (for the Boys) of just "above average" records and no other championships he would be a lock his first year, kind of a shame that it's really only that holding him back.

 

[MRV52]

Woodson's legend has grown in retirement. I doubt he, Jimmy and TO make it. But it would be great if they did.

TO should be a shoe in, as he should have been 1st ballot last year. A real joke

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Speaking of Cowboys greats, what's your opinion on Drew Pearson? Is he HOF worthy?

He deserves to be in.

 

[tyke1doe]

TO should be a shoe in, as he should have been 1st ballot last year. A real joke

On production alone, yes. But I knew the voters would hold TO's history off the field and as a locker-room problem child against him.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

On production alone, yes. But I knew the voters would hold TO's history off the field and as a locker-room problem child against him.

Yeah I think of Terrell as a soldier without a cause. Put him back a few decades(or like 5) and they would've built monuments for him.

Terrell would get elected first ballot no brainer, TO will struggle.

 

[MRV52]

On production alone, yes. But I knew the voters would hold TO's history off the field and as a locker-room problem child against him.

Totaly agree he was an idiot with all the controversy that followed him. Sooner or later he has to get in as he was one of the greatest receivers of all time.

 

[Fletch]

Great accomplishments.


If Jimmy should get credit for that Superbowl, he should have coached it. He didn't. I see this all the time, and if it was a lay down Superbowl the team should have won the very next year, they didn't.



Jerry is more responsible for that than Jimmy is IMO. I do understand that Jimmy didn't invent but popularized the use of draft value charts though.

I don't think Jimmy is the slam dunk that most fans think. If he should get credit for building a team, he failed in that same aspect in Miami.

I get that. But I don't allow the Miami stint to cloud my judgement of what was accomplished during his tenure with the Cowboys. He, with the staff around him and a wildcat owner built a team from scrap. Jimmy was the architect of it all. Former players even say as much. That team was a juggernaut for years, even thru Barry Switzer's tenure.

It also happens to be right place, right time. I for one hope he gets his due. I think he will.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

TO should be in. Without question.

If they hold him out again it's stupid and petty. Period.

I'd love to see Woody get in but I've got a feeling he's going to be waiting a long, long time before he gets in, if he ever does.

I don't know if Jimmy will get in or not. I'm on the fence as to whether he should or shouldn't be in, to be honest.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Dawkins wasn't better than Woodson? To yourself if you believe that.