DC.COM: Blog: NFL Suspends Williams One Game For Horse-Collar

[The30YardSlant]

This thread is sadly a perfect example of how there are plenty of people, Roy included, out there who just don't get it

And what, exactly, are we supposed to "get"? Please, oh sultun of superiority, do tell

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes...that is why you see WRs dive to catch a ball that is over thrown. I mean they could just keep running and they wouldn't have to dive.

you're more likely to get that pass if you dive

 

[bysbox1]

To add to this, TO did a horsecaller tackle on a Vikings guy after an INT or a fumble this year, cant remember which it was. He never got called for it by the way.

I remember that play. He did not get called because in that play he grabbed the jersey and not the collar.

Now if you even grab the jersey near the collar area you will get called for it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Tell, me then. Ware you going to grab when going low?

You can't just reach your arm down and grab his leg. You're entire body has to contort itself from an upright position to even attempt to grab it, and then your now running in a position where you lose speed. Then your only option is to dive and make an attempt at his legs.

There's no reaching in what I said, except for the fact that Roy reaching for his legs would have been a waste of time and he would have missed the tackle and then people would be saying Roy can't tackle now either.

Have you honestly watched this specific video..Really. Not prior ones, but this one?

He is close enough he can fall forward and wrap his legs. This is not a case where he is going to miss him.

Roy could have farted and accidentally tripped and grabbed the legs.

Really this is silly.

Funniest thing is if you watch this video in the slow mo replays you would see he is ALREADY falling foward. He actually has to reach FURTHER to go up for the collar.

 

[Alexander]

Well we'll get to see what it's like to play without Roy.

He won't be around for fans and media to point the finger at if there's a breakdown in the secondary. Should be interesting...

No, it would just reinforce how bad Keith Davis is, so it really isn't very interesting nor would it prove anything.

 

[dbair1967]

Yes...that is why you see WRs dive to catch a ball that is over thrown. I mean they could just keep running and they wouldn't have to dive.

Futhermore Roy is already at the spot he could grab the legs. For your, and others, scenarios to even remotely make sense is if he was so far behind that he would have to reach for air and hope to only grasp the collar.

This was not the case IN THIS PLAY. In the past I would go along with it, In this case it is just not.

Sorry...you are wrong, no matter how much you argue it.

He was within distance that he would have made the play. END OF STORY.

if he slows up to dive, and the other guy is running full speed the other way he doesnt make the tackle

when a player lays out for a ball, the ball is not going the same speed away from the receiver, the ball eventually is slowing down...its not the same

I am going to guess you never played high school or college football, because diving at a player from behind to make a tackle is not a "sure" tackle...and because a player does have something you can actually grab ahold of from behind, it helps make the tackle

I guess he could start grabbing the top of the guys pants perhaps, but because the shoulder pads are such a larger surface area, its a far easier target

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

that is why you see WRs dive to catch a ball that is over thrown.

COMPLETELY different concept, COMPLETELY different set of circumstances.

Put a ball several feet in front of a receiver at chest level and their isnt a man on earth who could haul it in. When a player successfully dives and pulls it in, he dives when he sees the ball will be overthrown, not AS it is going by him

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

you're more likely to get that pass if you dive

This can not be.
It simply defies gravity, physics and makes the player slow down and in turn must mean that they would be better off running instead of diving.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

if he slows up to dive, and the other guy is running full speed the other way he doesnt make the tackle

when a player lays out for a ball, the ball is not going the same speed away from the receiver, the ball eventually is slowing down...its not the same

I am going to guess you never played high school or college football, because diving at a player from behind to make a tackle is not a "sure" tackle...and because a player does have something you can actually grab ahold of from behind, it helps make the tackle

I guess he could start grabbing the top of the guys pants perhaps, but because the shoulder pads are such a larger surface area, its a far easier target

David

Have you honestly watched this specific video..Really. Not prior ones, but this one?

He is close enough he can fall forward and wrap his legs. This is not a case where he is going to miss him.

Roy could have farted and accidentally tripped and grabbed the legs.

Really this is silly.

Funniest thing is if you watch this video in the slow mo replays you would see he is ALREADY falling foward. He actually has to reach FURTHER to go up for the collar.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Have you honestly watched this specific video..Really. Not prior ones, but this one?

He is close enough he can fall forward and wrap his legs. This is not a case where he is going to miss him.

Roy could have farted and accidentally tripped and grabbed the legs.

Really this is silly.

Funniest thing is if you watch this video in the slow mo replays you would see he is ALREADY falling foward. He actually has to reach FURTHER to go up for the collar.

Yes, I did watch the video. It happened exactly the way I said it did in my first response to your comment concerning it.

 

[Hoofbite]

The only thing Im mad about is that Dallas is playing the Panthers. I kind of wish that they were playing someone with a better offense so people could get a good gauge of the game without him.

 

[Hostile]

AdButcher is the biggest guy on this forum and he played D-line in college.

LaTunaNostra is probably the smallest person on this forum and she never played football.

I would rather be horse collar tackled by Ad than chop blocked by LTN.

 

[peplaw06]

Yes...that is why you see WRs dive to catch a ball that is over thrown. I mean they could just keep running and they wouldn't have to dive.

Futhermore Roy is already at the spot he could grab the legs. For your, and others, scenarios to even remotely make sense is if he was so far behind that he would have to reach for air and hope to only grasp the collar.

This was not the case IN THIS PLAY. In the past I would go along with it, In this case it is just not.

Sorry...you are wrong, no matter how much you argue it.

He was within distance that he would have made the play. END OF STORY.

When you leave your feet you lose momentum. There's no question about that.

The reason WRs dive is because the ball is overthrown. If you stretch out your body, you cover more ground, but you slow down.

This is why baseball coaches tell base runners to NEVER dive into first base. You don't gain any speed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This can not be.
It simply defies gravity, physics and makes the player slow down and in turn must mean that they would be better off running instead of diving.

depends on how you look at it if you want to increase the chances of doing something w/ the ball once you catch it, you're better off staying on your feet, attempting to catch the ball

 

[superpunk]

Maybe we can have the players put on moo-moo's and fake angel wings and float around like fairies. Then, instead of tackling, we could engage in fierce rounds of paper-rock-scissors.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe we can have the players put on moo-moo's and fake angel wings and float around like fairies. Then, instead of tackling, we could engage in fierce rounds of paper-rock-scissors.

you would like that, wouldn't you?:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Maybe we can have the players put on moo-moo's and fake angel wings and float around like fairies. Then, instead of tackling, we could engage in fierce rounds of paper-rock-scissors.

That's about where this lace panties crap is headed.

 

[Alexander]

and what is everyone supposed to be getting?

That it isn't the rule, not the player, nor the fact it is named after the one player who made the rule necessary that is the point.

He has done it twice. And he has been fined twice.

He did it once more.

This would be no different than a player being fined twice for cut blocks, spitting on someone, whatever. If they do it over and over again, then the NFL has no other choice.

That's what you, and apparently Williams, do not get.

Just because it is habit with him that the NFL should just look the other way while he does it over and over again and not escalate the punishment like it would with any other repeat offender of an established rule?

The rule is there. Complaining and moaning about it being a rule is irrelevant.

It is up to Williams to play within the rules or deal with the punishment.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Maybe we can have the players put on moo-moo's and fake angel wings and float around like fairies. Then, instead of tackling, we could engage in fierce rounds of paper-rock-scissors.

It makes no difference...you would still have some player break the rule in some way and then others saying it is not fair because they would not punish someone else as they are not a cowboy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That it isn't the rule, nor the player, nor the fact it is named after the one player who made the rule necessary.

He has done it twice. And he has been fined twice.

He did it once more.

This would be no different than a player being fined twice for cut blocks, spitting on someone, whatever. If they do it over and over again, then the NFL has no other choice.

That's what you, and apparently Williams, do not get.

Just because it is habit with him that the NFL should just look the other way while he does it over and over again and not escalate the punishment like it would with any other repeat offender of an established rule?

The rule is there. Complaining and moaning about it being a rule is irrelevant.

It is up to Williams to play within the rules or deal with the punishment.

hmm, since I've already said that Williams needs to abide by the rule, your post makes no sense when addressed to me

I just wanted clarification on what everyone is supposed to be getting, you know, getting all my ducks in a row, I don't like blanket statements